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Date: 08 Oct 2006 20:16:01
From: Johnny
Subject: Shame on you San Diego
Well I just returned from dinner at Arrivederci on 4th Ave here in San
Diego.
After dinner I went straight for the juglar ordering a straight espresso.
It arrived in a well prewarmed cup with crema still evident. And very tasty.
Gone in a few seconds. No accompaniment needed.
How sad for the 350+ San Diego cafes that the 2nd decent espresso I've had
here in the last 6 months was in a restaurant...
yes I've tried many times during that period, mostly unsuccessful.
Disclaimer: don't know the owners, just a happy customer.






 
Date: 11 Oct 2006 21:34:47
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego

Johnny wrote:
> "chris" <cmaz@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:0ibqi2ds5sl13v2c27npb0p0alj4af0v38@4ax.com...
>
> >
> > Have you ever tried Birdrock Coffee Roaters, located on La Jolla Blvd?
> > The owner seems to take great pride in his coffee. i'd be interested
> > in your opinion. One thing seems certain, it takes a bit of chutzpah
> > to open your own grass-roots coffee house directly across the street
> > from Starbuck's.
> >
>
> I met Chuck at last year's barista competition at Moto. He seems serious
> about what he does. Haven't seen their shop on LJ Blvd so can't give you an
> opinion on the coffee. They used to have a kiosk on Turquoise?

Chuck knows his stuff. He has really nice equipment and if you catch
him at the right time he'll let you roast with the big Probat.
Definately a thumbs up from me. Fresh roasted coffee and excellent
equpiment plus a good barista usually yields good results. Be sure to
pick up some of his fresh roasted coffee if you don't roast your own.

Back in the 90's there was a really nice coffeehouse in La Jolla called
Bernini's now its turned into a bistro/cafe with the same name. There
was also the inner change coffee house on turquois where Jewel used to
play and give environmental speeches in between songs. I remember the
first time I went there and she was playing they wanted a cover charge
and I was ust trying to get some coffee so I started to head out for
Bernini's or Panikin in La Jolla, then her doorgirl said nevermind just
come in. So I did...its kinda cool to have those experiences but both
of those places are the way of the dodo now.

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



 
Date: 09 Oct 2006 08:50:11
From: Dan
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:16:01 -0700, "Johnny"
<removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote:

>How sad for the 350+ San Diego cafes that the 2nd decent espresso I've had
>here in the last 6 months was in a restaurant...

Johnny, you sound like a person of experience who drinks (espresso)
out a lot! I hardly ever get to drink out. It's difficult for
commercial establishments to top the espresso a ma maison!

I live in Bay Ho, but occasionally travel around the county. Would you
share your opinion of the three best coffee houses in the City of SD,
three in North County, and three in East/South County?

I appreciate whatever you might offer (and anything from other locals
who'd like to chime in)!

--
Regards,
Dan








  
Date: 09 Oct 2006 14:22:51
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego

"Dan" <noone@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:iiqki25pp0kjv78tl1qelt8j07n36farb3@4ax.com...
> I live in Bay Ho, but occasionally travel around the county. Would you
> share your opinion of the three best coffee houses in the City of SD,
> three in North County, and three in East/South County?
>
> I appreciate whatever you might offer (and anything from other locals
> who'd like to chime in)!

Hi Dan,
for the same reasons as you and a lot of other folks hereabouts I prefer my
own coffee. When it's not the way I want I know who to blame and sometimes
they take note :-) It's not that I've been to all 350+ c'houses but more
that I'm disinclined to continue to seek them out from the negative
experiences that seem too often to result.
One place that I regard fairly highly here does a reasoanable espresso but
they it by doing a double into two small stainless jugs and then
transferring it to the cup. How to kill crema. Sigh! They will remain
nameless but if they peruse here, which I doubt, they'll recognize
themselves. :-)

Depends what you want in a cafe.
For downtown I like both the ambience and coffee at the Pannikin 675 G.
St.;
a long time back I enjoyed an espresso at the Brickyard at the other end of
G St.;
Calabria on 30th takes care with their espresso, and also serves press pots
of the bean of your choice, haven't tried their filter;
Peets in Hillcrest next door to Bread and Cie on University close to 4th has
a good reputation, I've only had their filter coffee and its good, you can
have the best of both worlds by taking coffee bought at Peet's next door to
have with bread bought there;
Elixir at 427 C st downtown does good espresso and is in an interesting
building;
Had a great americano at Bassam's at 4th and ket. The decor there is
exotic but they also allow smoking so that's not for everyone.

North county I don't get around too often but I love the ambience at the
Pannikin in the old train station 510 N. Coast Hwy. 101, Encinitas
haven't been there in a while though so no recent experience of the coffee;
there was a story in the local newspaper The Espresso last month about a
place up in Escondido that had a brew bar and the writer was raving about
the brewed coffee http://theespresso.com/dispCulture.php?id=160&type=2

East county I have no knowledge of.

I'm sure others with more knowledge than I will chime in when they get the
chance.








   
Date: 10 Oct 2006 19:42:23
From: chris
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego
"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > pondered, puzzeled,
prognosticated (perhaps even premeditated), and then, in a very wise
voice, sed: :

>One place that I regard fairly highly here does a reasoanable espresso but
>they it by doing a double into two small stainless jugs and then
>transferring it to the cup. How to kill crema. Sigh! They will remain
>nameless but if they peruse here, which I doubt, they'll recognize
>themselves. :-)

Please excuse my ignorance here, but i'm trying to learn...How is this
wrong? Doesn't a double shot *have* to be brewed into two separate
containers and then transferred into a single cup? Is it the stainless
steel jugs that is the problem? What *is* the proper procedure you'd
like to see?
--
chris

"Yes! is the answer."
--John Lennon


    
Date: 10 Oct 2006 16:03:39
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego

"chris" <cmaz@san.rr.com > wrote in message
news:j0uni2tfh419dpclko0h7g0bmo1ht0krv2@4ax.com...
> "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com> pondered, puzzeled,
> prognosticated (perhaps even premeditated), and then, in a very wise
> voice, sed: :
LOL... more like wizened ;-)

>
> >One place that I regard fairly highly here does a reasoanable espresso
but
> >they it by doing a double into two small stainless jugs and then
> >transferring it to the cup. How to kill crema. Sigh! They will remain
> >nameless but if they peruse here, which I doubt, they'll recognize
> >themselves. :-)
>
> Please excuse my ignorance here, but i'm trying to learn...How is this
> wrong? Doesn't a double shot *have* to be brewed into two separate
> containers and then transferred into a single cup? Is it the stainless
> steel jugs that is the problem? What *is* the proper procedure you'd
> like to see?
> --

I doubt very much that you are ignorant... :-)

I don't claim *proper procedure* or *expertise*, just preferences.
For straight espresso I like the mouthfeel that comes with crema so I
personally don't want the crema dissipated by the espresso being poured from
one vesel to another after the shot is pulled, but that's just me.

How? Of course ideally with a bottomless pf, then there's no problem.
http://static.flickr.com/7/9187898_1f1ae0da9a_m.jpg


If not how about the mouse tails both dripping straight into the cup? here's
a few pics I found for regular pf's:
http://www.havana.co.nz/htmlsite/images/espresso.jpg

and there's surely no reason this one couldn't go straight into one cup as a
double:
http://www.latteart.org/images/Israel/GabiGoric/espresso.jpg

and here's another:
http://www.heinebroscoffee.com/graphics/mousetail.jpg

Do you know any cafe in San Diego that uses bottomless pf's ? I don't but
there must be one surely...





     
Date: 11 Oct 2006 18:01:38
From: chris
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego
"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > pondered, puzzeled,
prognosticated (perhaps even premeditated), and then, in a very wise
voice, sed: :

>I don't claim *proper procedure* or *expertise*, just preferences.
>For straight espresso I like the mouthfeel that comes with crema so I
>personally don't want the crema dissipated by the espresso being poured from
>one vesel to another after the shot is pulled, but that's just me.
>
>How? Of course ideally with a bottomless pf, then there's no problem.
>http://static.flickr.com/7/9187898_1f1ae0da9a_m.jpg
>
>If not how about the mouse tails both dripping straight into the cup? here's
>a few pics I found for regular pf's:
>http://www.havana.co.nz/htmlsite/images/espresso.jpg
>
>and there's surely no reason this one couldn't go straight into one cup as a
>double:
> http://www.latteart.org/images/Israel/GabiGoric/espresso.jpg
>
>and here's another:
>http://www.heinebroscoffee.com/graphics/mousetail.jpg
>
>Do you know any cafe in San Diego that uses bottomless pf's ? I don't but
>there must be one surely...

Ahh...never heard of nor seen one of those bottomless pf's before. As
for dripping straight into the cup, i assumed that that was what you
desired, but i didn't imagine that the double pf would be narrow
enough to drip into one single cup! Thanks for clearing that up!

Have you ever tried Birdrock Coffee Roaters, located on La Jolla Blvd?
The owner seems to take great pride in his coffee. i'd be interested
in your opinion. One thing seems certain, it takes a bit of chutzpah
to open your own grass-roots coffee house directly across the street
from Starbuck's.

Reminds me a little of the Lewis Black routine:

From the beginning of time, man has looked at the heavens and firmly
believed that the end of the universe ends out in space. It's not
true. The end of the universe happens to be in the United States. I
have seen it. And, oddly enough, it's in Houston, Texas...I know, I
was shocked too... I left the comedy club there and walked down the
street. On one corner, there was a Starbucks. And across the street
from that Starbucks, in the exact same building as that Starbucks, was
a Starbucks. At first I thought the sun was playing tricks on my eyes.
But, no. There was a Starbucks across from a Starbucks. And that, my
friends, is the end of the universe.

People have said to me, 'how do you know?' And I say, 'go there. Stand
between those two Starbucks and look at your watch. Time stands
still.' And if you turn this way, and look at just this Starbucks,
immediately you think, 'You know, There cannot possibly be a Starbucks
behind me. Nobody would have been that stupid, to have built a
Starbucks across from a Starbucks. And if there was a just and loving
God, he wouldn't allow that kind of s#!^ to go down.' So you turn
slowly, thinking, 'well, I'll see a Gap, or a Denny's, maybe even a
Mobil Station... BUT THERE'S A STARBUCKS!' - The End of the Universe.
--
chris

"Yes! is the answer."
--John Lennon


      
Date: 11 Oct 2006 13:42:24
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego

"chris" <cmaz@san.rr.com > wrote in message
news:0ibqi2ds5sl13v2c27npb0p0alj4af0v38@4ax.com...

>
> Have you ever tried Birdrock Coffee Roaters, located on La Jolla Blvd?
> The owner seems to take great pride in his coffee. i'd be interested
> in your opinion. One thing seems certain, it takes a bit of chutzpah
> to open your own grass-roots coffee house directly across the street
> from Starbuck's.
>

I met Chuck at last year's barista competition at Moto. He seems serious
about what he does. Haven't seen their shop on LJ Blvd so can't give you an
opinion on the coffee. They used to have a kiosk on Turquoise?




   
Date: 10 Oct 2006 08:07:36
From: Dan
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:22:51 -0700, "Johnny"
<removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote:

>
>"Dan" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:iiqki25pp0kjv78tl1qelt8j07n36farb3@4ax.com...
>> I live in Bay Ho, but occasionally travel around the county. Would you
>> share your opinion of the three best coffee houses in the City of SD,
>> three in North County, and three in East/South County?
>>
>> I appreciate whatever you might offer (and anything from other locals
>> who'd like to chime in)!
>
>Hi Dan,
>for the same reasons as you and a lot of other folks hereabouts I prefer my
>own coffee. When it's not the way I want I know who to blame and sometimes
>they take note :-) It's not that I've been to all 350+ c'houses but more
>that I'm disinclined to continue to seek them out from the negative
>experiences that seem too often to result.
>One place that I regard fairly highly here does a reasoanable espresso but
>they it by doing a double into two small stainless jugs and then
>transferring it to the cup. How to kill crema. Sigh! They will remain
>nameless but if they peruse here, which I doubt, they'll recognize
>themselves. :-)
>
>Depends what you want in a cafe.
>For downtown I like both the ambience and coffee at the Pannikin 675 G.
>St.;
>a long time back I enjoyed an espresso at the Brickyard at the other end of
>G St.;
>Calabria on 30th takes care with their espresso, and also serves press pots
>of the bean of your choice, haven't tried their filter;
>Peets in Hillcrest next door to Bread and Cie on University close to 4th has
>a good reputation, I've only had their filter coffee and its good, you can
>have the best of both worlds by taking coffee bought at Peet's next door to
>have with bread bought there;
>Elixir at 427 C st downtown does good espresso and is in an interesting
>building;
>Had a great americano at Bassam's at 4th and ket. The decor there is
>exotic but they also allow smoking so that's not for everyone.
>
>North county I don't get around too often but I love the ambience at the
>Pannikin in the old train station 510 N. Coast Hwy. 101, Encinitas
>haven't been there in a while though so no recent experience of the coffee;
>there was a story in the local newspaper The Espresso last month about a
>place up in Escondido that had a brew bar and the writer was raving about
>the brewed coffee http://theespresso.com/dispCulture.php?id=160&type=2
>
>East county I have no knowledge of.
>
>I'm sure others with more knowledge than I will chime in when they get the
>chance.
>

Johnny, thanks for your comments. I'll seek out your recommendations
when I'm in the area(s).

I wish I could reciprocate, but my best recommendations go back to
places in the early 90's! I haven't found anything after that that has
really moved me.

There was the Living Room on University Ave. a couple of blocks south
of College and Pannikin La Jolla. I don't even know if they still
exist!

When I find something I like again, I'll let you know. Don't hold your
breath!

--
Regards,
Dan


    
Date: 10 Oct 2006 16:14:25
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Shame on you San Diego

"Dan" <noone@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:bvcni25rmvrrl2ia5h8ee6ialhf2nhe02t@4ax.com...
<snip/ >
> >I'm sure others with more knowledge than I will chime in when they get
the
> >chance.
> >
>
> Johnny, thanks for your comments. I'll seek out your recommendations
> when I'm in the area(s).
>
> I wish I could reciprocate, but my best recommendations go back to
> places in the early 90's! I haven't found anything after that that has
> really moved me.
>
> There was the Living Room on University Ave. a couple of blocks south
> of College and Pannikin La Jolla. I don't even know if they still
> exist!

the Living Room closed quite recently
http://theespresso.com/ed_displayarticle.php?id=146 that was a place where I
once had a great cup of drip brewed cofee but that was quite a while ago.

but the LJ Pannikin is still about, I don't much care for their coffee but
maybe it has improved, haven't dared in a while. Love the ambience there.
Used to lunch there almost daily when I worked on Coast Blvd for a time.