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Date: 16 Sep 2006 21:04:18
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Silvia or Classic?
Is the chief advantage of the Rancilio Silvia over the SS Gaggia Classic its
steaming ability because of the larger boiler? Are there any other
features that make one superior to the other?






 
Date: 18 Sep 2006 22:10:05
From: Ken Wilson
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
"Harry Moos"

> Is the chief advantage of the Rancilio Silvia over the SS Gaggia Classic
> its steaming ability because of the larger boiler? Are there any other
> features that make one superior to the other?


I seem to remember that alan frew did a definitive comparative and concluded
that the taste was better with the slivia and surmised it was becuase of the
shower screen. Couldn't find the article on his site though - but he does
still rate the silvia as having a better build:

http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/july2002.html

ken " but he never did compare the livia and giotto - but the butterrfly
looks rekably like a giotto :-) " W



>
>




  
Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:42:29
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
Silvia has better water distribution = better shots. Gaggia is still using
the old flat plate type showerscreen.


--
Alan

alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au




   
Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:47:58
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?

"Coffee for Connoisseurs" <alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au > wrote in message
news:9pEPg.31014$rP1.6954@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Silvia has better water distribution = better shots. Gaggia is still
> using the old flat plate type showerscreen.
>
>
> --
> Alan
>
> alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
> www.coffeeco.com.au
>

Yep, the 8 channel/outlet water breaker & the double layer showerscreen.
{;-)
Craig.



 
Date: 18 Sep 2006 10:11:21
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
EXACTLY!

thank you

Dave
Kruger Kid wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:28:37 -0400, Steve Ackman
> <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>
> >In <xMWdnf7hrNHsA5DYnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net>, on Sun, 17 Sep
> >2006 14:14:23 -0500, Harry Moos wrote:
> >> Do you just lift the stainless deck and pull out the plastic tray? Does the
> >> drain pipe clear the tray that way?
> >
> > I just pull the tray straight out with the deck in
> >place. There's about 1/16" clearance between the tube
> >and the deck.
>
> On my Gaggia Classic I have to remove the tube before the drip tray
> can be removed.
>
> Kruger



 
Date: 17 Sep 2006 10:58:50
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
In <psqdnay0o_CYMJHYnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net >, on Sat, 16 Sep
2006 21:04:18 -0500, Harry Moos wrote:
> Is the chief advantage of the Rancilio Silvia over the SS Gaggia Classic its
> steaming ability because of the larger boiler? Are there any other
> features that make one superior to the other?

Gaggia has about 50% more power.
Silvia's steam advantage only lasts as long as
you're drawing down the stored steam. Once that's
gone, steaming advantage goes to the Gaggia.


  
Date: 17 Sep 2006 12:37:18
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?

"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnegqol8.mtd.steve@wizard.dyndns.org...
> In <psqdnay0o_CYMJHYnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net>, on Sat, 16
> Sep
> 2006 21:04:18 -0500, Harry Moos wrote:
>> Is the chief advantage of the Rancilio Silvia over the SS Gaggia
>> Classic its
>> steaming ability because of the larger boiler? Are there any other
>> features that make one superior to the other?
>
> Gaggia has about 50% more power.
> Silvia's steam advantage only lasts as long as
> you're drawing down the stored steam. Once that's
> gone, steaming advantage goes to the Gaggia.


That's why it's best to start steaming just before the light goes out
(steam stat clicking off). That way you're maximizing Silvia's steaming
power by keeping the heating element energized throughout the entire
steaming phase.
Craig.



  
Date: 17 Sep 2006 16:23:57
From: Ian Smith
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
On Sun, 17 Sep, Steve Ackman < > wrote:
>
> Gaggia has about 50% more power.
> Silvia's steam advantage only lasts as long as
> you're drawing down the stored steam. Once that's
> gone, steaming advantage goes to the Gaggia.

For certain values of 'advantage' - Silvia seems to have more than
enough steam for most people to do all they want, and more than more
than enough doesn't seem to be a feature worth anything.

Also, if you plan to PID, you'll possibly get better stability from
Silvia - evn Silvia on standby is on a lower duty cycle than some PID
manufacturers recommend. Has anyone PIDd the gaggia? What is its
power consumption at rest?

regards, Ian SMith
--


 
Date: 17 Sep 2006 08:11:11
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
lite off = ready.

dave
www.hitechespresso.com

Harry Moos wrote:
> On my Gaggia, the boiler light comes ON when it is up to heat. On the
> Rancilio Sienna I had before, the boiler light went OFF when it was up to
> heat. Does the Silvia operate the same way [OFF=heat ready]?
>



 
Date: 17 Sep 2006 08:10:20
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
then your unit is not a 'classic' model and does not have a 3 way
solenoid valve that dumps excess pressure when the pump is cut off.


hudson wrote:
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158492854.896420.69160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
> > the tray is not plastic
>
>
> What annoying pipe? I have never had to remove a pipe when emptying the drip
> tray.
>
> Stuart Hudson



  
Date: 19 Sep 2006 23:30:08
From: hfw
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
Mine *is a Classic, has a pipe, but the pipe doesn't interfere with
removing the drip tray. It does, however, have to be removed to take out
the water container.

hfw

daveb wrote:
> then your unit is not a 'classic' model and does not have a 3 way
> solenoid valve that dumps excess pressure when the pump is cut off.
>
>
> hudson wrote:
>> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1158492854.896420.69160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
>>> the tray is not plastic
>>
>> What annoying pipe? I have never had to remove a pipe when emptying the drip
>> tray.
>>
>> Stuart Hudson
>


   
Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:50:06
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:30:08 -0400, hfw <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:

>Mine *is a Classic, has a pipe, but the pipe doesn't interfere with
>removing the drip tray. It does, however, have to be removed to take out
>the water container.

My Gaggia Classic also has no pipe or tube that has to be removed in order to
remove the drip tray.

-- Larry


  
Date: 20 Sep 2006 01:01:42
From: hudson
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?


> hudson wrote:
>> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1158492854.896420.69160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
>> > the tray is not plastic
>>
>>
>> What annoying pipe? I have never had to remove a pipe when emptying the
>> drip
>> tray.
>>
>> Stuart Hudson
>
"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158505820.647553.281580@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> then your unit is not a 'classic' model and does not have a 3 way
> solenoid valve that dumps excess pressure when the pump is cut off.
>
>
It is a Classic and it does have a three way valve with a pipe that goes to
the drip tray and you do not have to remove it to empty the drip tray. Not
for the last seven years anyway. Perhaps it will grow overnight so that you
will appear to know what you are talking about.

Stuart Hudson




 
Date: 17 Sep 2006 04:34:14
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
for one thing, a big one -- the silvia has an all brass brew head and
boiler

--negligible corrosion issues.

And the silvia is not a better steamer really.

silvia heaver build by about 12 lbs.
silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
the tray is not plastic

I could go on.

Dave
116

Harry Moos wrote:
> Is the chief advantage of the Rancilio Silvia over the SS Gaggia Classic its
> steaming ability because of the larger boiler? Are there any other
> features that make one superior to the other?



  
Date: 17 Sep 2006 09:21:50
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
On my Gaggia, the boiler light comes ON when it is up to heat. On the
Rancilio Sienna I had before, the boiler light went OFF when it was up to
heat. Does the Silvia operate the same way [OFF=heat ready]?

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158492854.896420.69160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> for one thing, a big one -- the silvia has an all brass brew head and
> boiler -- negligible corrosion issues.
> silvia heaver build by about 12 lbs.
> silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
> the tray is not plastic
>
> I could go on.
>
> Dave
> 116




  
Date: 17 Sep 2006 14:07:42
From: hudson
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158492854.896420.69160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
> the tray is not plastic


What annoying pipe? I have never had to remove a pipe when emptying the drip
tray.

Stuart Hudson




   
Date: 17 Sep 2006 13:52:32
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
In <4n4vlaF8l2c2U1@individual.net >, on Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:07:42 +0100,
hudson wrote:
>
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158492854.896420.69160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
>> the tray is not plastic
>
>
> What annoying pipe? I have never had to remove a pipe when emptying the drip
> tray.

Obviously daveb is unfamiliar with this machine.
I don't have to remove any pipe to empty the drip
tray either.


    
Date: 17 Sep 2006 14:14:23
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
Do you just lift the stainless deck and pull out the plastic tray? Does the
drain pipe clear the tray that way?

"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnegr2qu.mtd.steve@wizard.dyndns.org...
>
> Obviously daveb is unfamiliar with this machine.
> I don't have to remove any pipe to empty the drip
> tray either.




     
Date: 17 Sep 2006 16:28:37
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
In <xMWdnf7hrNHsA5DYnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net >, on Sun, 17 Sep
2006 14:14:23 -0500, Harry Moos wrote:
> Do you just lift the stainless deck and pull out the plastic tray? Does the
> drain pipe clear the tray that way?

I just pull the tray straight out with the deck in
place. There's about 1/16" clearance between the tube
and the deck.



      
Date: 18 Sep 2006 00:04:32
From: Kruger Kid
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:28:37 -0400, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:

>In <xMWdnf7hrNHsA5DYnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net>, on Sun, 17 Sep
>2006 14:14:23 -0500, Harry Moos wrote:
>> Do you just lift the stainless deck and pull out the plastic tray? Does the
>> drain pipe clear the tray that way?
>
> I just pull the tray straight out with the deck in
>place. There's about 1/16" clearance between the tube
>and the deck.

On my Gaggia Classic I have to remove the tube before the drip tray
can be removed.

Kruger


       
Date: 18 Sep 2006 14:56:01
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
In <8horg2p44pd5t2hc19lav38t96fkv76ggg@4ax.com >, on Mon, 18 Sep 2006
00:04:32 GMT, Kruger Kid wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:28:37 -0400, Steve Ackman
><steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>
>>In <xMWdnf7hrNHsA5DYnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net>, on Sun, 17 Sep
>>2006 14:14:23 -0500, Harry Moos wrote:
>>> Do you just lift the stainless deck and pull out the plastic tray? Does the
>>> drain pipe clear the tray that way?
>>
>> I just pull the tray straight out with the deck in
>>place. There's about 1/16" clearance between the tube
>>and the deck.

That was just a guesstimate. After scrutiny, I
find closer to 1/8" clearance.

> On my Gaggia Classic I have to remove the tube before the drip tray
> can be removed.

I would check to see that your tube is seated all
the way up. Pull it out, and ram it up with a firm
push and notice whether it seats solidly. If not,
there could be crud up there keeping it from going
all the way up.
If it does seat solidly, and the tube still extends
into the deck, then it's a simple matter for the bench
grinder.




        
Date: 18 Sep 2006 23:31:56
From: Kruger Kid
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?

> If it does seat solidly, and the tube still extends
>into the deck, then it's a simple matter for the bench
>grinder.
>
>
I may consider that option to cut off the tip of the tube. But I
periodicy remove the tube anyway to remove the water tank to give it a
clean. So, maybe not....

Kruger


   
Date: 17 Sep 2006 16:09:37
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Silvia or Classic?
Really, must be VERY messy when the solenoid valve kicks in?
--
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
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"hudson" <Mhh21c_removethis_@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:4n4vlaF8l2c2U1@individual.net...
>
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158492854.896420.69160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> silvia no annoying pipe to remove when you dump the drip tray -- and
>> the tray is not plastic
>
>
> What annoying pipe? I have never had to remove a pipe when emptying the
> drip tray.
>
> Stuart Hudson
>