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Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:27:50
From: lulu
Subject: Simple question needs simple answer
Need rec's on a quality grinder that I can use with my mokka pot and
possibly an espresso maker in the near future. Must be quality, easy
to use, won't out-grow too fast and its price tag is not more than
$300 ($150-200 is more in my pocket comfort zone plus my lil' mokka
pot cost me under $17 and it seems wild to spend a lot more for a
grinder). TIA





 
Date: 02 Mar 2007 11:44:56
From: nicfortin
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer

>
> Not compared to the 14 or 15 seconds it takes for the Rocky with new burrs
> installed. When I first got the SJ it ground a double in roughly 6 or 7
> seconds (I don't have a digital timer installed). That was some 3 years ago
> so going to 8 or 9 seconds now doesn't seem too bad, especially after a rock
> or two. The 5 seconds with new burrs would seem difficult to control
> quantity unless you're measuring each double separately before grinding. ??


At our shop we use Synesso 18g
Macap M7 : 6-7sec
Mazzer SJ : 4-5sec
the M7 is brand new and the Mazzer (a loaner) has burr that does look
good not new but in good shape, we don't know how much bean went thru
it...

nic
------------------
Have a nice Shot!



 
Date: 02 Mar 2007 11:44:07
From: nicfortin
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer

>
> Not compared to the 14 or 15 seconds it takes for the Rocky with new burrs
> installed. When I first got the SJ it ground a double in roughly 6 or 7
> seconds (I don't have a digital timer installed). That was some 3 years ago
> so going to 8 or 9 seconds now doesn't seem too bad, especially after a rock
> or two. The 5 seconds with new burrs would seem difficult to control
> quantity unless you're measuring each double separately before grinding. ??


At our shop we use Synesso 18g
Macap M7 : 6-7sec
Mazzer SJ : 4-5sec
the M7 is brand new and the Mazzer (a loaner) has burr that does look
good not new but in good shape, we don't know how much bean went thru
it...

nic
------------------
Have a nice Shot!



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 19:16:02
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On Feb 28, 8:54 pm, Barry Jarrett <b...@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2007 06:07:03 -0800, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >It took 3 to get a waorking one??
> >
> >terrible.
>
> saeco used to be like that.

hell, they still are.

d



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:18:44
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On Feb 28, 6:08 pm, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net > wrote:
> "Danny" <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote in message
>
> news:54llloF20gaq5U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > daveb wrote:
>
> >> of COURSE you would say that.
>
> > Instead of constantly digging at other people's replies, why don't you
> > just give helpful advice like most others here.
>
> > It's well known that older Rocky's suffered from the problems I mentioned.
>
> > It's also well known that commercial grinders are often under used unless
> > they are from Starbucks. Instead, they are often from failing businesses
> > and may well not have had much use. Parts are also often cheaper for a
> > commercial grinder, due to economy of scale in manufacturing and the
> > k-up on domestic parts pricing.
>
> > In the home I've used many grinders, from Gaggia MDF and Iberital home
> > models, to Cunill, Compak, Gaggia and Cimbali commercial models. In most
> > cases parts were actually cheaper for the commercial machines - burrs etc.
>
> > --
> > Regards, Danny
>
> >http://www.gaggia-espresso.com(a purely hobby site)
>
> when I got my super jolly off eBay the burrs were like new and are still
> grinding a double in 9 seconds though that rock that jumped in there Sunday
> may have done some dulling.
>
> dave who?
>
> Gary

9 seconds is a long time for a double on a super J



  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 01:36:41
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
It must be helluva *big* double. With new burrs just installed, my Super
"J" fills a double filter in five seconds. I'd guess you're either grinding
way too fine or your burrs are shot.
--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1172708324.887751.143860@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 28, 6:08 pm, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net> wrote:

snipped

>> when I got my super jolly off eBay the burrs were like new and are still
>> grinding a double in 9 seconds though that rock that jumped in there
>> Sunday
>> may have done some dulling.
>>
>> dave who?
>>
>> Gary
>
> 9 seconds is a long time for a double on a super J
>




   
Date: 01 Mar 2007 08:35:37
From: GeeDubb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:J6qFh.5010$PL.4791@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> It must be helluva *big* double. With new burrs just installed, my Super
> "J" fills a double filter in five seconds. I'd guess you're either
> grinding way too fine or your burrs are shot.
> --
> Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
> http://tinyurl.com/psfob
> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1172708324.887751.143860@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 28, 6:08 pm, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> snipped
>
>>> when I got my super jolly off eBay the burrs were like new and are still
>>> grinding a double in 9 seconds though that rock that jumped in there
>>> Sunday
>>> may have done some dulling.
>>>
>>> dave who?
>>>
>>> Gary
>>
>> 9 seconds is a long time for a double on a super J
>>
Not compared to the 14 or 15 seconds it takes for the Rocky with new burrs
installed. When I first got the SJ it ground a double in roughly 6 or 7
seconds (I don't have a digital timer installed). That was some 3 years ago
so going to 8 or 9 seconds now doesn't seem too bad, especially after a rock
or two. The 5 seconds with new burrs would seem difficult to control
quantity unless you're measuring each double separately before grinding. ??

Gary



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 07:07:04
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On Feb 28, 10:06 am, Danny <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > Or a used home grinder -- rocky, mdf, and the like needing NO parts
> > for around $150.00
>
> > Dave
>
> > Saeco / Gaggia service SE.
>
> A used domestic grinder is not immune from needing new burrs or having
> broken or missing parts. In fact an older Rocky may well be in worse
> shape than a lightly used commercial grinder, what with the detent
> spring, sloppy burr carriers etc.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com(a purely hobby site)

of COURSE you would say that.



  
Date: 28 Feb 2007 15:34:02
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
daveb wrote:

> of COURSE you would say that.
>

Instead of constantly digging at other people's replies, why don't you
just give helpful advice like most others here.

It's well known that older Rocky's suffered from the problems I mentioned.

It's also well known that commercial grinders are often under used
unless they are from Starbucks. Instead, they are often from failing
businesses and may well not have had much use. Parts are also often
cheaper for a commercial grinder, due to economy of scale in
manufacturing and the k-up on domestic parts pricing.

In the home I've used many grinders, from Gaggia MDF and Iberital home
models, to Cunill, Compak, Gaggia and Cimbali commercial models. In
most cases parts were actually cheaper for the commercial machines -
burrs etc.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)



   
Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:08:00
From: GeeDubb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer

"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:54llloF20gaq5U1@mid.individual.net...
> daveb wrote:
>
>> of COURSE you would say that.
>>
>
> Instead of constantly digging at other people's replies, why don't you
> just give helpful advice like most others here.
>
> It's well known that older Rocky's suffered from the problems I mentioned.
>
> It's also well known that commercial grinders are often under used unless
> they are from Starbucks. Instead, they are often from failing businesses
> and may well not have had much use. Parts are also often cheaper for a
> commercial grinder, due to economy of scale in manufacturing and the
> k-up on domestic parts pricing.
>
> In the home I've used many grinders, from Gaggia MDF and Iberital home
> models, to Cunill, Compak, Gaggia and Cimbali commercial models. In most
> cases parts were actually cheaper for the commercial machines - burrs etc.
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)

when I got my super jolly off eBay the burrs were like new and are still
grinding a double in 9 seconds though that rock that jumped in there Sunday
may have done some dulling.

dave who?

Gary



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 06:12:38
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On Feb 27, 8:10 pm, "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> In that price range you can't beat a new Gaggia MDF. Or, get a used pro
> grinder on eBay for $150 - $250, plus another $50 for new burrs. You're wise
> to consider a quality grinder. Buy it once & forget about it.
> --
> Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmonhttp://tinyurl.com/pou2yhttp://tinyurl.com/psfobhttp://tinyurl.com/fkd6r"lulu" <bulliefor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172622470.844516.238390@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Need rec's on a quality grinder that I can use with my mokka pot and
> > possibly an espresso maker in the near future. Must be quality, easy
> > to use, won't out-grow too fast and its price tag is not more than
> > $300 ($150-200 is more in my pocket comfort zone plus my lil' mokka
> > pot cost me under $17 and it seems wild to spend a lot more for a
> > grinder). TIA

Or a used home grinder -- rocky, mdf, and the like needing NO parts
for around $150.00

Dave

Saeco / Gaggia service SE.




  
Date: 28 Feb 2007 15:06:18
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
daveb wrote:

> Or a used home grinder -- rocky, mdf, and the like needing NO parts
> for around $150.00
>
> Dave
>
> Saeco / Gaggia service SE.
>
>

A used domestic grinder is not immune from needing new burrs or having
broken or missing parts. In fact an older Rocky may well be in worse
shape than a lightly used commercial grinder, what with the detent
spring, sloppy burr carriers etc.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 06:07:03
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On Feb 28, 7:19 am, cpaso...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 28, 6:08 am, "TrailRun" <ws17trail...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I purchased a Baratza Virtuoso direct from Baratza (referbished) for
> > $149 plus shipping. I know this grinder has some poor reviews but I am
> > very pleased with it performance. The main reason I chose this over
> > the Gaggia was the footprint, doserless, and it looked good. I use it
> > for espresso mostly without the bin so the dreaded static issue is not
> > a problem for me. You can check it out at:
>
> >http://www.baratza.com/refurb.php
>
> > Or new at most coffee distributors at about $200.
>
> I purchased a Baratza Virtuoso new, and although I had two more mailed
> to me before I got one that worked, I have been happy with the unit.
> The company was outstanding to work with. They sent me new ones
> without a second thought.

It took 3 to get a waorking one??

terrible.



  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 01:54:36
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On 28 Feb 2007 06:07:03 -0800, "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

>It took 3 to get a waorking one??
>
>terrible.


saeco used to be like that.




 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 04:19:57
From:
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On Feb 28, 6:08 am, "TrailRun" <ws17trail...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I purchased a Baratza Virtuoso direct from Baratza (referbished) for
> $149 plus shipping. I know this grinder has some poor reviews but I am
> very pleased with it performance. The main reason I chose this over
> the Gaggia was the footprint, doserless, and it looked good. I use it
> for espresso mostly without the bin so the dreaded static issue is not
> a problem for me. You can check it out at:
>
> http://www.baratza.com/refurb.php
>
> Or new at most coffee distributors at about $200.

I purchased a Baratza Virtuoso new, and although I had two more mailed
to me before I got one that worked, I have been happy with the unit.
The company was outstanding to work with. They sent me new ones
without a second thought.



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 03:08:27
From: TrailRun
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
I purchased a Baratza Virtuoso direct from Baratza (referbished) for
$149 plus shipping. I know this grinder has some poor reviews but I am
very pleased with it performance. The main reason I chose this over
the Gaggia was the footprint, doserless, and it looked good. I use it
for espresso mostly without the bin so the dreaded static issue is not
a problem for me. You can check it out at:

http://www.baratza.com/refurb.php

Or new at most coffee distributors at about $200.



 
Date: 27 Feb 2007 18:43:26
From:
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
Does amazon still have those KitchenAid grinders (red ones, tre's
passe') for $99?

If so (and you can deal with the (r)ed) go for it.

bought one. Works great for dirp,vac,press, and (I suppose) moka.


PS: I agree that it seems ridiculous to spend 7 to 20 times the cost
of your coffee maker on your grinder, but that realistically reflects
the importance fo your grinder relative to your coffee maker.





On 27 Feb 2007 16:27:50 -0800, "lulu" <bullieforyou@gmail.com > wrote:

>Need rec's on a quality grinder that I can use with my mokka pot and
>possibly an espresso maker in the near future. Must be quality, easy
>to use, won't out-grow too fast and its price tag is not more than
>$300 ($150-200 is more in my pocket comfort zone plus my lil' mokka
>pot cost me under $17 and it seems wild to spend a lot more for a
>grinder). TIA





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Date: 01 Mar 2007 16:33:02
From: Mr A Nonymous
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
> PS: I agree that it seems ridiculous to spend 7 to 20 times the cost
> of your coffee maker on your grinder, but that realistically reflects
> the importance fo your grinder relative to your coffee maker.
>
>
Damn you mean I over spent? I guess it's a good thing I overspent on the
espresso machine as well :)




 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 01:10:16
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
In that price range you can't beat a new Gaggia MDF. Or, get a used pro
grinder on eBay for $150 - $250, plus another $50 for new burrs. You're wise
to consider a quality grinder. Buy it once & forget about it.
--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"lulu" <bullieforyou@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1172622470.844516.238390@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Need rec's on a quality grinder that I can use with my mokka pot and
> possibly an espresso maker in the near future. Must be quality, easy
> to use, won't out-grow too fast and its price tag is not more than
> $300 ($150-200 is more in my pocket comfort zone plus my lil' mokka
> pot cost me under $17 and it seems wild to spend a lot more for a
> grinder). TIA
>




 
Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:37:32
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Simple question needs simple answer
On Feb 27, 7:27 pm, "lulu" <bulliefor...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Need rec's on a quality grinder that I can use with my mokka pot and
> possibly an espresso maker in the near future. Must be quality, easy
> to use, won't out-grow too fast and its price tag is not more than
> $300 ($150-200 is more in my pocket comfort zone plus my lil' mokka
> pot cost me under $17 and it seems wild to spend a lot more for a
> grinder). TIA

Gaggia MDF -- about 200 new.

dave