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Date: 10 Dec 2006 23:18:26
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
...on this Grindmaster 1700 semi-auto 1-group. The listing on eBay ends
within 24 hours and the bidding is currently less than $200 (this for a
machine with a retail price of $2800 - $3700).

eBay link: http://tinyurl.com/y7m3f8
Grindmaster link: http://grindmaster.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=81
&Catalog=Products_2006

Robert (Don't shoot the messenger!) Harmon
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 04:52:56
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Re: Someone's going to find a spammer
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:08:58 -0800, daveb wrote:

> Hurray! yes! RJ, I do think by now MOST of us know how to find ebay
> and search for things that we would like to see.

Oh the irony! Hey dave, I do think by now that MOST of us know how to
find google and search for some reputable company to do our PID work for
us.

> by extension, harmon, why not post ALL of the thousands, or millions of
> really super great deals to be had -- each under a new topic?

By extenstion Bland, why not have all the hundreds of businessmen who
read this group post their every new product, variation of a product, new
spin on a variation of a product, ad nauseum -- each under a new topic?

Heed your own damn tirade!

> dave
> 185

RoughJaw
186

> A GRINDMASTER espresso machine??? pleeeeeze!

A SPAMMER working on my machine??? pulEEEEZE!

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Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:40:39
From: Robęrt Hármon
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...

http://www.bennoti.com/

Bleh, don't waste your money when you can get a brand-new Benotti for free.

Best thing is you don't have to phuck around with a PID to get authentic
Italian espresso.

http://www.bennoti.com/




 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 06:12:10
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
Note that 'sprsso' KNOWS and repairs commercial machines
preofessionally.


haremon, OTOH is a collector.

d



sprsso wrote:
> Not to mention that the Grindmaster is not thought of highly in the
> industry, particularly by those representing the Grindmaster line of
> brewing equipment. The ones I've been inside were at best uninspiring
> and thermally instable. Most technicians I know that have worked on
> them agree. Surprisingly not unlike the Bunn ES series....al
> >
> >Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
> >close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about ebay
> >bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you told us
> >about.
> >



 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 06:08:58
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
Hurray! yes! RJ, I do think by now MOST of us know how to find ebay
and search for things that we would like to see.

by extension, harmon, why not post ALL of the thousands, or millions
of really super great deals to be had -- each under a new topic?

dave
185

A GRINDMASTER espresso machine??? pleeeeeze!



.
> >> ...on this xxx 1700 semi-auto 1-group. The listing on eBay ends
> >> within 24 hours and the bidding is currently less than $200 (this for a
> >> machine with a retail price of $2800 - $3700).
> >
> >forgetting for a minute the issues around continuing to post links like
> >this, you forget entirely the fact that many items on ebay don't get bids
> >from the most serious bidders until the last few minutes, often the last few
> >seconds, of an auction.
> >
> >ken
> >
> For the second time I find myself in agreement with Fox (odd, but
> true; who'da thought?). I would ask that you stop posting ebay finds
> here. I know you need to have the trivial strokes you get from having
> others see what an observant hunter-gatherer you are, but try, please,
> to keep it in the can. We are not impressed.
>
> Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
> close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about ebay
> bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you told us
> about.
>
> I continue to wonder what your own interests are in posting these ebay
> "finds". I used to think you had an interest but I've come to think
> that you're just plain insecure, sufficiently so that you need to seek
> the recognition you can't get in real life by looking for it here.
>
> Just when I thought the fool-quotient on alt.coffee was as high as it
> could possible go, Robert showed up. Wonder how he could be convinced
> to go away.
>

that will be difficult.



 
Date: 10 Dec 2006 21:29:14
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
Roque wrote:
> Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
> close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about ebay
> bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you told us
> about.
>
> I continue to wonder what your own interests are in posting these ebay
> "finds". I used to think you had an interest but I've come to think
> that you're just plain insecure, sufficiently so that you need to seek
> the recognition you can't get in real life by looking for it here.

--- foolish crap snipped ---

Yeah right, the last 'great deal' I mentioned was a Nuovo Simonelli Mac
Digit that sold for something like $200. No one got a real bargain
there did they? If I see what looks like a good deal on eBay or
elsewhere I'll continue to post a link in this news group. I'd rather
see someone here get a good deal than someone who's browsing eBay,
despite the protestations of those with their own reasons for not
wanting the information widely disseminated.

I don't suppose that will mean much to you, but I've had many email
replies that were very appreciative of my posts. If cretins like you
would just lighten up some of these people might even decide to do more
than lurk here.
--
Robert (Appreciates all feedback, even from a doofus!) Harmon



  
Date: 12 Dec 2006 00:51:36
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165814954.899746.32280@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> Roque wrote:
>> Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
>> close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about ebay
>> bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you told us
>> about.
>>
>> I continue to wonder what your own interests are in posting these ebay
>> "finds". I used to think you had an interest but I've come to think
>> that you're just plain insecure, sufficiently so that you need to seek
>> the recognition you can't get in real life by looking for it here.
>
> --- foolish crap snipped ---
>
> Yeah right, the last 'great deal' I mentioned was a Nuovo Simonelli Mac
> Digit that sold for something like $200. No one got a real bargain
> there did they? If I see what looks like a good deal on eBay or
> elsewhere I'll continue to post a link in this news group. I'd rather
> see someone here get a good deal than someone who's browsing eBay,
> despite the protestations of those with their own reasons for not
> wanting the information widely disseminated.

And I'm sure that you'll follow that policy when the great bargain you
encounter on ebay happens to be something that you're planning on bidding
for yourself . . . or have I misunderstood you?




   
Date: 12 Dec 2006 02:08:10
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
"Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com > wrote in
news:s2nfh.4912$Gr2.3957@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:

>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165814954.899746.32280@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>> Roque wrote:
>>> Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
>>> close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about
>>> ebay bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you
>>> told us about.
>>>
>>> I continue to wonder what your own interests are in posting these
>>> ebay "finds". I used to think you had an interest but I've come to
>>> think that you're just plain insecure, sufficiently so that you need
>>> to seek the recognition you can't get in real life by looking for it
>>> here.
>>
>> --- foolish crap snipped ---
>>
>> Yeah right, the last 'great deal' I mentioned was a Nuovo Simonelli
>> Mac Digit that sold for something like $200. No one got a real
>> bargain there did they? If I see what looks like a good deal on eBay
>> or elsewhere I'll continue to post a link in this news group. I'd
>> rather see someone here get a good deal than someone who's browsing
>> eBay, despite the protestations of those with their own reasons for
>> not wanting the information widely disseminated.
>
> And I'm sure that you'll follow that policy when the great bargain you
> encounter on ebay happens to be something that you're planning on
> bidding for yourself . . . or have I misunderstood you?
>
>

Nope, I'm sure you understood. It's just that you choose to portray
yourself in a bad light. I for one don't believe you're nearly as stupid as
you'd have us believe - but I'll be the first to admit that I've misjudged
folk before.

BTW, someone should've taken me up on my bet - this sold for $510, so I
missed by $60.

Robert (Some of you'd argue the balls off a brass billy goat.) Harmon
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 02:24:30
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9896C2AE47F24rhharmonZhotmailcom@194.177.96.26...
> "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:s2nfh.4912$Gr2.3957@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
>
>>
>> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1165814954.899746.32280@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>>> Roque wrote:
>>>> Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
>>>> close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about
>>>> ebay bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you
>>>> told us about.
>>>>
>>>> I continue to wonder what your own interests are in posting these
>>>> ebay "finds". I used to think you had an interest but I've come to
>>>> think that you're just plain insecure, sufficiently so that you need
>>>> to seek the recognition you can't get in real life by looking for it
>>>> here.
>>>
>>> --- foolish crap snipped ---
>>>
>>> Yeah right, the last 'great deal' I mentioned was a Nuovo Simonelli
>>> Mac Digit that sold for something like $200. No one got a real
>>> bargain there did they? If I see what looks like a good deal on eBay
>>> or elsewhere I'll continue to post a link in this news group. I'd
>>> rather see someone here get a good deal than someone who's browsing
>>> eBay, despite the protestations of those with their own reasons for
>>> not wanting the information widely disseminated.
>>
>> And I'm sure that you'll follow that policy when the great bargain you
>> encounter on ebay happens to be something that you're planning on
>> bidding for yourself . . . or have I misunderstood you?
>>
>>
>
> Nope, I'm sure you understood. It's just that you choose to portray
> yourself in a bad light. I for one don't believe you're nearly as stupid
> as
> you'd have us believe - but I'll be the first to admit that I've misjudged
> folk before.

Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I really find it hard to believe that you'd
increase the competition against yourself, Robert.




 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 00:13:53
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...

"Robert Harmon" wrote
> ...on this Grindmaster 1700 semi-auto 1-group. The listing on eBay ends
> within 24 hours and the bidding is currently less than $200 (this for a
> machine with a retail price of $2800 - $3700).
>
> eBay link: http://tinyurl.com/y7m3f8
> Grindmaster link: http://grindmaster.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=81
> &Catalog=Products_2006
>
> Robert (Don't shoot the messenger!) Harmon


So, what kind of a cut do you get from the seller?




 
Date: 10 Dec 2006 16:19:03
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9895A5E715E89rhharmonZhotmailcom@194.177.96.26...
> ...on this Grindmaster 1700 semi-auto 1-group. The listing on eBay ends
> within 24 hours and the bidding is currently less than $200 (this for a
> machine with a retail price of $2800 - $3700).
>
> eBay link: http://tinyurl.com/y7m3f8
> Grindmaster link: http://grindmaster.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=81
> &Catalog=Products_2006
>
> Robert (Don't shoot the messenger!) Harmon
> --
> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
> Remove "Z" to reply via email.

forgetting for a minute the issues around continuing to post links like
this, you forget entirely the fact that many items on ebay don't get bids
from the most serious bidders until the last few minutes, often the last few
seconds, of an auction. Therefore, implying that this item is going to sell
for somewhere in the neighborhood of where it's at 24 hours before the
auction close is just plain silly.

If I find something on ebay that I want (infrequent), I either use Buy it
Now (if a cheap item and I really want it) or make no bids whatsoever until
a few seconds before the auction closes. No one knows that I'm planning to
bid on it until the auction is OVER. I'm not unique in this behavior, in
fact I think it is the most common tactic of people who successfully win
auctions for more expensive things. The more people who bid early on, the
more other people become interested because they assume, "hey, must be
something worth buying, those other characters are bidding on it!"

I've sold a couple of used laptops on ebay and they both sold for a multiple
of the existing high bids an hour beforehand, and the "winners" of the
auctions had not bid at all prior to the last few seconds.

SO, trying to give the impression that an item is some sort of screaming
bargain based upon the information you have now, Robert, is almost certainly
wrong because you can't possibly know the ultimate behavior of however many
people may be already watching the auction.

ken




  
Date: 10 Dec 2006 16:18:59
From:
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:19:03 -0700, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:

>"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9895A5E715E89rhharmonZhotmailcom@194.177.96.26...
>> ...on this Grindmaster 1700 semi-auto 1-group. The listing on eBay ends
>> within 24 hours and the bidding is currently less than $200 (this for a
>> machine with a retail price of $2800 - $3700).
>>
>> eBay link: http://tinyurl.com/y7m3f8
>> Grindmaster link: http://grindmaster.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=81
>> &Catalog=Products_2006
>>
>> Robert (Don't shoot the messenger!) Harmon
>> --
>> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
>> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>> Remove "Z" to reply via email.
>
>forgetting for a minute the issues around continuing to post links like
>this, you forget entirely the fact that many items on ebay don't get bids
>from the most serious bidders until the last few minutes, often the last few
>seconds, of an auction.
>
>ken
>
For the second time I find myself in agreement with Fox (odd, but
true; who'da thought?). I would ask that you stop posting ebay finds
here. I know you need to have the trivial strokes you get from having
others see what an observant hunter-gatherer you are, but try, please,
to keep it in the can. We are not impressed.

Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about ebay
bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you told us
about.

I continue to wonder what your own interests are in posting these ebay
"finds". I used to think you had an interest but I've come to think
that you're just plain insecure, sufficiently so that you need to seek
the recognition you can't get in real life by looking for it here.

Just when I thought the fool-quotient on alt.coffee was as high as it
could possible go, Robert showed up. Wonder how he could be convinced
to go away.













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Date: 11 Dec 2006 00:48:21
From: sprsso
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
Not to mention that the Grindmaster is not thought of highly in the
industry, particularly by those representing the Grindmaster line of
brewing equipment. The ones I've been inside were at best uninspiring
and thermally instable. Most technicians I know that have worked on
them agree. Surprisingly not unlike the Bunn ES series....al
>
>Besides, Fox is right, the bids a few days/hours/minutes before the
>close don't mean squat. Anyone who is even half-way serious about ebay
>bids in the closing seconds. Just like the last great deal you told us
>about.
>



  
Date: 11 Dec 2006 00:23:58
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in
news:4u3iuvF16jqemU1@mid.individual.net:

> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9895A5E715E89rhharmonZhotmailcom@194.177.96.26...
>> ...on this Grindmaster 1700 semi-auto 1-group. The listing on eBay
>> ends within 24 hours and the bidding is currently less than $200
>> (this for a machine with a retail price of $2800 - $3700).
>>
>> eBay link: http://tinyurl.com/y7m3f8
>> Grindmaster link:
>> http://grindmaster.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=81
>> &Catalog=Products_2006
>>
>> Robert (Don't shoot the messenger!) Harmon
>> --
>> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
>> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>> Remove "Z" to reply via email.
>
> forgetting for a minute the issues around continuing to post links
> like this, you forget entirely the fact that many items on ebay don't
> get bids from the most serious bidders until the last few minutes,
> often the last few seconds, of an auction. Therefore, implying that
> this item is going to sell for somewhere in the neighborhood of where
> it's at 24 hours before the auction close is just plain silly.
>
> If I find something on ebay that I want (infrequent), I either use Buy
> it Now (if a cheap item and I really want it) or make no bids
> whatsoever until a few seconds before the auction closes. No one
> knows that I'm planning to bid on it until the auction is OVER. I'm
> not unique in this behavior, in fact I think it is the most common
> tactic of people who successfully win auctions for more expensive
> things. The more people who bid early on, the more other people
> become interested because they assume, "hey, must be something worth
> buying, those other characters are bidding on it!"
>
> I've sold a couple of used laptops on ebay and they both sold for a
> multiple of the existing high bids an hour beforehand, and the
> "winners" of the auctions had not bid at all prior to the last few
> seconds.
>
> SO, trying to give the impression that an item is some sort of
> screaming bargain based upon the information you have now, Robert, is
> almost certainly wrong because you can't possibly know the ultimate
> behavior of however many people may be already watching the auction.
>
> ken
>
>
>

Howdy Ken!
You could be correct, but I'll bet you a cappa of your choice that this
goes for less than $450.

Robert (I've been pretty close in the past.) Harmon
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 16:38:43
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9895B10356FC4rhharmonZhotmailcom@194.177.96.26...
> > Howdy Ken!
> You could be correct, but I'll bet you a cappa of your choice that this
> goes for less than $450.
>
> Robert (I've been pretty close in the past.) Harmon
> --
> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
> Remove "Z" to reply via email.

Buying used espresso machines off of ebay is not for the faint of heart.
Compared to some of the deals we have heard about in this ng, I'm not sure
that $450 for this machine, in uncertain condition (which is what the seller
states), is any great bargain. And I'm not at all sure of the desireability
of this brand, which is apt to have limited resale value and even after you
fixed it up, this machine would be off of most people's radar screens.

ken




    
Date: 11 Dec 2006 19:13:16
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
...and even after you
> fixed it up, this machine would be off of most people's radar screens.
>
> ken
>

Who cares?
Looks like a bargain- and a keeper- to me




     
Date: 11 Dec 2006 08:50:33
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
"Natalie Drest" <fugeddaboudit@notarealemailaddress.net > wrote in message
news:457d127e@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> ...and even after you
>> fixed it up, this machine would be off of most people's radar screens.
>>
>> ken
>>
>
> Who cares?
> Looks like a bargain- and a keeper- to me
>

then I suggest you buy the next one that comes up




    
Date: 11 Dec 2006 01:05:14
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Someone's going to make out like a bandit...
"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in
news:4u3k3rF16j9eiU1@mid.individual.net:

> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9895B10356FC4rhharmonZhotmailcom@194.177.96.26...
>> > Howdy Ken!
>> You could be correct, but I'll bet you a cappa of your choice that
>> this goes for less than $450.
>>
>> Robert (I've been pretty close in the past.) Harmon
>> --
>> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
>> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>> Remove "Z" to reply via email.
>
> Buying used espresso machines off of ebay is not for the faint of
> heart. Compared to some of the deals we have heard about in this ng,
> I'm not sure that $450 for this machine, in uncertain condition (which
> is what the seller states), is any great bargain. And I'm not at all
> sure of the desireability of this brand, which is apt to have limited
> resale value and even after you fixed it up, this machine would be off
> of most people's radar screens.
>
> ken
>
>
>

Howdy Ken!
1) I'd never recommend any used machine from anywhere to the speculative
buyer.
2) This one's smaller than averaage footprint would make it a good home
machine.
3) Anyone buying on eBay must judge for themself what risk level they're
comfortable with.
4) I've now bought 5 used commercial machines on eBay ($150 - $350 plus
shipping).
5) the most expensive thing needing replacement was a pressurestat, which
I'm replacing with a PID ($60).
6) For the 5 machines I've probably put in 20 o-rings, 5 group gaskets, 12
various other gaskets, a handful of fittings & maybe a tube of RTV sealant.

I've a neighbor with a Grindmaster 2450. He's let me tear into it & I can
say without reservation that they are as well made as any other commercial
line. Given all that, I've recommended to my friends that they might want
to bid on it. If it took more than $100 to get it working correctly I'd be
very surprised.

Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
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