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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:17:22
From: jggall01
Subject: Source of wiring insulators for Silvia?
Anybody have a source for the snap-on white electrical insulators
inside a Silvia? The ones near the boiler get very crispy after a few
years. EPNW sells something similar, but their's won't slide over an
already-crimped disconnect.

http://www.PIDKits.com/images/silvia-insulators.jpg

(Cross-posted to HB.)

Jim





 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 07:16:53
From: jggall01
Subject: Re: connector insulators

daveb wrote:
> I have a few -- where should I send them?
>
> dave
> www.hitechespresso.com

Thanks. PM sent.

Jim



 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 07:10:26
From: daveb
Subject: connector insulators
I have a few -- where should I send them?

dave
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 04 Dec 2006 22:38:52
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??

Randy G. wrote:

> I believe the Permatex Ultra Copper will do the job nicely.

May have something good left, not leaked and chisel-hardened to the
bottom of one of half a dozen toolboxes in metal shelves converted to
rollaround. RipVanWinkle here - all set to slop some 90W gear oil in
the gearbox, and said I wanted the best. Synthetic. That'll be taken
seriously. Was informed manuals now use automatic transmission fluid,
Dexron III, and not gearoil (hmph - OK, some LUCAS to thicken it up bit
then). Haven't seen Permatex's latest offerings in... awhile (shellac,
black, then blue or red). Ultra Copper sounds interesting.



  
Date: 05 Dec 2006 08:39:21
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??
"Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:

>
>Randy G. wrote:
>
>> I believe the Permatex Ultra Copper will do the job nicely.
>
>May have something good left, not leaked and chisel-hardened to the
>bottom of one of half a dozen toolboxes in metal shelves converted to
>rollaround. RipVanWinkle here - all set to slop some 90W gear oil in
>the gearbox, and said I wanted the best. Synthetic. That'll be taken
>seriously. Was informed manuals now use automatic transmission fluid,
>Dexron III, and not gearoil (hmph - OK, some LUCAS to thicken it up bit
>then). Haven't seen Permatex's latest offerings in... awhile (shellac,
>black, then blue or red). Ultra Copper sounds interesting.
>

I still have an old bottle of Indian Head Gasket Shellac" laying
around as a collectible.

The Ultra Copper comes in a tube as an RTV, and it also comes as an
aerosol (not RTV) and I have used both with good success. The aerosol
can be sprayed in successive coats so might well in gasketless
applications as well, but for a diff cover I would use the tube. You
will notice that it has a different consistency then other RTVs you
have used.

There is also Hylo, made for metal-to-metal, thin-film
applications, but I have not had good luck with that. Figures- it is
spec'd by Rolls Royce. ;-)

Randy "glue it, weld it, whatever" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




   
Date: 05 Dec 2006 20:13:11
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:39:21 -0800, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>There is also Hylo, made for metal-to-metal, thin-film
>applications, but I have not had good luck with that. Figures- it is
>spec'd by Rolls Royce. ;-)
>

...and does not work well on zocco group mountings.



    
Date: 05 Dec 2006 22:55:03
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??
Barry Jarrett <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:39:21 -0800, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com>
>wrote:
>
> >There is also Hylo, made for metal-to-metal, thin-film
> >applications, but I have not had good luck with that. Figures- it is
> >spec'd by Rolls Royce. ;-)
> >
>
>...and does not work well on zocco group mountings.
>
BMW used to spec it for the older Airheads (the horizontally opposed
twin, air cooled motorcycles) to seal the cylinder bases to the block
since there is no gasket in there. Works fine on new bikes, but once
disassembled it is not that great. I resorted to low-test base gaskets
to help seal, as well as help for what passes as gas any more.


Randy "bring back 98 octane.. gotta find an airport" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:35:47
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??
Thanks, but mine's Italian engineered for Chinese productivity with old
glasswraps. Kinda cute, too. Resisting the urge to bid on another
from ebay's finer refurbished furnishings for $54 shipped. Got a
picklejar of scissors in the garage. Next to the picklejar of razors.
Have to dig for hitemp silicon tomorrow - replacing differential
lubricant w/out a covergasket. :)< >(:

DougW wrote:

> http://www.cntexcel.com/electrical-insulation-Sleeves.htm
> Most industrial electric shops have the stuff. Sometimes they
> will just hack off a few feet for you. Just remember kevlar
> sleeves have to be cut with a razorblade, scissors won't do it.
> And never try to pull that last thread apart with your hands,
> it will cut right to the bone. :(
>
> digikey.com has some in fiberglass and high temp silicone.
>
> --
> DougW



  
Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:45:37
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??
On 4 Dec 2006 20:35:47 -0800, "Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:

>Thanks, but mine's Italian engineered for Chinese productivity with old
>glasswraps. Kinda cute, too. Resisting the urge to bid on another
>from ebay's finer refurbished furnishings for $54 shipped. Got a
>picklejar of scissors in the garage. Next to the picklejar of razors.
>Have to dig for hitemp silicon tomorrow - replacing differential
>lubricant w/out a covergasket. :)<>(:
>

I believe the Permatex Ultra Copper will do the job nicely.


Randy "comes in aerosol as well" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com


 
Date: 04 Dec 2006 19:59:49
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??

daveb wrote:
> Don't bother.
>
> having them missing poses NO hazard, unless you like working on / in it
> LIVE.

When I received my "floor-model" espresso machine, off the furniture
store floor, my guess is somebody inadvertenly may have kicked it,
because the steamwand coupling somehow had became disloged, ripped and
torn, and the entire grouphead profusely poured out water, right out of
the box. Later, when an insular coating material to the electrical
connectors on the boiler became hot and started smoking, I recalled the
streamwand ducting. Simple heatshrink sufficed by way of replacement
for factory braided asbestos slipjoints and tiewraps. As a
preventative concen in hostile grouphead environments, I'll also second
their useage. Cut the wire and resoldered with quick connects if a
wire is directly soldered onto boiler electrical studs.



  
Date: 04 Dec 2006 22:08:01
From: DougW
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??
Flasherly wrote:
> daveb wrote:
>> Don't bother.
>>
>> having them missing poses NO hazard, unless you like working on / in
>> it LIVE.
>
> When I received my "floor-model" espresso machine, off the furniture
> store floor, my guess is somebody inadvertenly may have kicked it,
> because the steamwand coupling somehow had became disloged, ripped and
> torn, and the entire grouphead profusely poured out water, right out
> of the box. Later, when an insular coating material to the electrical
> connectors on the boiler became hot and started smoking, I recalled
> the streamwand ducting. Simple heatshrink sufficed by way of
> replacement for factory braided asbestos slipjoints and tiewraps. As
> a preventative concen in hostile grouphead environments, I'll also
> second their useage. Cut the wire and resoldered with quick connects
> if a wire is directly soldered onto boiler electrical studs.

http://www.cntexcel.com/electrical-insulation-Sleeves.htm
Most industrial electric shops have the stuff. Sometimes they
will just hack off a few feet for you. Just remember kevlar
sleeves have to be cut with a razorblade, scissors won't do it.
And never try to pull that last thread apart with your hands,
it will cut right to the bone. :(

digikey.com has some in fiberglass and high temp silicone.

--
DougW




 
Date: 04 Dec 2006 19:05:14
From: jggall01
Subject: Re: wiring insulators ??
daveb wrote:
> having them missing poses NO hazard, unless you like working on / in it
> LIVE.

Except for the ones on the thermostats, which, because of the angle,
are too close to the top cover for my tastes.

Where do you get the replacements?

Jim



 
Date: 04 Dec 2006 18:12:08
From: daveb
Subject: wiring insulators ??
Don't bother.

having them missing poses NO hazard, unless you like working on / in it
LIVE.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If any of my customer's units come in with them in poor condition -- I
replace them free.


Dave
www.hitechespresso.com
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jggall01 wrote:
> Anybody have a source for the snap-on white electrical insulators
> inside a Silvia? The ones near the boiler get very crispy after a few
> years. EPNW sells something similar, but their's won't slide over an
> already-crimped disconnect.
>
> http://www.PIDKits.com/images/silvia-insulators.jpg
>
> (Cross-posted to HB.)
>
> Jim



 
Date: 04 Dec 2006 18:26:41
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Source of wiring insulators for Silvia?
"jggall01" <jggall01@yahoo.com > wrote in news:1165256242.447577.265210@
73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com:

> http://www.PIDKits.com/images/silvia-insulators.jpg

Howdy Jim!
I've had success using shrink tube over the connectors. I've checked on
some I put in over a year ago & they still loook good & no electrical
leakage that my meter could detect.

Robert (Apollo 13 didn't have the correct air scrubbers, but they made do.)
Harmon
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:28:57
From: Andy Schecter
Subject: Re: Source of wiring insulators for Silvia?
Robert Harmon wrote:
> Apollo 13 didn't have the correct air scrubbers, but they made do

Very good point.


-Andy S.

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