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Date: 27 Dec 2006 10:11:32
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: The Accidental Ristretto
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When I first got into this stuff a couple of months ago, I got what was
advertised as a 2 oz shot glass from some vendor. It has a bold line
about a quarter inch from the top that I just ASSUMED was the 2 oz k
and that the top of the glass was probably closer to 2.5. I've been
pulling shots that I thought were between 1.5 and 2 oz and perfecting
(ok, improving) my technique around this target. I recently came across
a shot glass with many precise measuring lines on the side and, it
turns out, the line I'd been using on my original glass was barely
above 1.5 oz and the 2 oz was to the top of the glass. So I've been
generally drinking shots of between 1 and 1.5 oz from a double basket
with pulls in the 25-30 second range. Ristrettos all, I guess. Some
really really good ones too (and I've had a couple of shots at
Hornall's shop to compare and my best ones are pretty pretty close to
what I had there - they pull small shots too btw but I don't know if
they're that small).
Now that I know the actual measurements, I'm finding it tough to get a
2 oz shot that I like. They taste pretty good, but they just seem
really thin and lacking body. I suppose these are the tradeoffs between
small and large shots? I'll probably continue drinking ristrettos when
I just want a shot and using the larger shots for my milk based drinks.
The education continues.
-Ray
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 20:29:38
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The Accidental Ristretto
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I'd say you get the blue ribbon, except other's here probably have four
times as much 'science fair' equipment. Pretty impressive levels of
obsession :)
We all pick our poison - I've got a basement full of bicycles and
bicycle parts and I have friends who've bought properties with barns
just to store their bikes.
Crazy is a relative thing!
-Ray
On Dec 28, 11:20 pm, stan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> ramboori...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 28, 6:36 am, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I'm glad you're liking your shots - did you change the OPV and find
> > > that improved things or did something else change?
>
> > Never mind - just saw the other thread where you discuss in detail.
> > Glad you're getting good results. BTW, I'm also using a DaveB PID
> > Silvia and I seem to get best results in the 222-226 range depending on
> > beans. I haven't tried going lower though and I'm not enough of a
> > gearhead (er... 'scientist') to do the level of analysis you've done.
>
> > -RayLink to my science fair projecthttp://homepage.mac.com/sshire/PhotoAlbum4.html
> Stan "Way too much time" Shire
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 20:20:17
From:
Subject: Re: The Accidental Ristretto
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ramboorider@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 28, 6:36 am, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm glad you're liking your shots - did you change the OPV and find
> > that improved things or did something else change?
>
> Never mind - just saw the other thread where you discuss in detail.
> Glad you're getting good results. BTW, I'm also using a DaveB PID
> Silvia and I seem to get best results in the 222-226 range depending on
> beans. I haven't tried going lower though and I'm not enough of a
> gearhead (er... 'scientist') to do the level of analysis you've done.
>
> -Ray
Link to my science fair project
http://homepage.mac.com/sshire/PhotoAlbum4.html
Stan "Way too much time" Shire
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 03:54:48
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The Accidental Ristretto
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On Dec 28, 6:36 am, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> I'm glad you're liking your shots - did you change the OPV and find
> that improved things or did something else change?
Never mind - just saw the other thread where you discuss in detail.
Glad you're getting good results. BTW, I'm also using a DaveB PID
Silvia and I seem to get best results in the 222-226 range depending on
beans. I haven't tried going lower though and I'm not enough of a
gearhead (er... 'scientist') to do the level of analysis you've done.
-Ray
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 03:36:30
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The Accidental Ristretto
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On Dec 27, 10:03 pm, stan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm looking at around a 45ml shot in 25 sec. Haven't thought to go with
> a larger volume since I'm (finally) getting shots that I like. Also
> compared to John Hornall's shop, I'm close but the "mouthfeel" isn't
> close to his. I'm assuming that his LM Linea is the answer, but, as a
> newbie, somone please correct me if that's wrong.
Stan - I was liking the mouthfeel (I guess that's what I meant by my
description of thin and lacking body for the larger shot) on the
smaller shots but not when I tried to go larger volume. In terms of
comparisons to Hornall's shop, I know my shots improved dramatically
after I'd tried theirs and I even liked a few of the shots I pulled
over the next few days more than what I had there. But as time goes by
and memories turn into perceptions clouded by changing experience and
expectations, I'm not sure I remember anymore exactly what I'm
comparing to. I'm still liking some of my shots a lot, but I've tried a
couple of different beans (which makes a big difference I'm finding -
Black Cat and Dolce from Vivace are both great beans but very different
to work with and different taste as well) and I may now expect more
from myself than I did right after I'd tried the shop's shots, so I may
be less thrilled with equally good or even better shots now based on
increased expectations and getting spoiled by more consistently good
shots. I'm looking forward to trying theirs again on the 13th and
re-establishing that point of reference. I envy you living so close and
being able to get that reality check on a pretty regular basis.
I'm glad you're liking your shots - did you change the OPV and find
that improved things or did something else change?
-Ray
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 19:03:13
From:
Subject: Re: The Accidental Ristretto
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Bertie Doe wrote:
> <ramboorider@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > Now that I know the actual measurements, I'm finding it tough to get a
> > 2 oz shot that I like. They taste pretty good, but they just seem
> > really thin and lacking body. I suppose these are the tradeoffs between
> > small and large shots? I'll probably continue drinking ristrettos when
> > I just want a shot and using the larger shots for my milk based drinks.
> >
> > The education continues.
> >
> > -Ray
>
> Yep, 1.5oz/45ml is the target I aim for also. I like the concentrated shot
> you get from a 15 or 16g load from a double.
>
> Bertie
Ray
I'm looking at around a 45ml shot in 25 sec. Haven't thought to go with
a larger volume since I'm (finally) getting shots that I like. Also
compared to John Hornall's shop, I'm close but the "mouthfeel" isn't
close to his. I'm assuming that his LM Linea is the answer, but, as a
newbie, somone please correct me if that's wrong.
Stan
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 20:33:13
From: Bertie Doe
Subject: Re: The Accidental Ristretto
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<ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote in message
> Now that I know the actual measurements, I'm finding it tough to get a
> 2 oz shot that I like. They taste pretty good, but they just seem
> really thin and lacking body. I suppose these are the tradeoffs between
> small and large shots? I'll probably continue drinking ristrettos when
> I just want a shot and using the larger shots for my milk based drinks.
>
> The education continues.
>
> -Ray
Yep, 1.5oz/45ml is the target I aim for also. I like the concentrated shot
you get from a 15 or 16g load from a double.
Bertie
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