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Date: 11 Aug 2007 08:09:16
From: Danny Joe
Subject: Timer and e61
I have an Andreja Premium and usually turn it on before I go to sleep at
night to insure temperature stability. After a couple of nights when I
forgot (don't ask), I have been investigating a timer. There is plenty of
good info here regarding timers, but I have a different question.

When I purchased my first e61 (Isomac Rituale) the instructions said that
when you power it up you need to run a little water through the grouphead
(to get the siphon going? I am not sure. I just follow directions). Hence, I
have been doing that with the Andreja as well.

So my question is: Is this little water ritual necessary, because if it is I
won't be able to use the timer. Or am I just "cutting off the end of the
roast"? (http://www.snopes.com/weddings/newlywed/secret.asp)

Danny (rules? I always follow the rules!) Joe






 
Date: 11 Aug 2007 16:58:46
From: John Frank
Subject: Re: Timer and e61

In English:

> Perform the following operations every time you switch the machine on and
> every time you draw steam:

The same thing in Italian:

> Eseguire le operazione indicate de seguito ongi volta che si assende la
> macchina e ongi volta che si preleva vapore.




 
Date: 11 Aug 2007 17:44:51
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: Timer and e61

>
> Any idea why Isomac would say you need to prime the head on every start-up?
>
>

NO idea.

I've used, workd on and "pid'ed many Isomacs, I once the boiler is
full it all takes care of itself. If you STEAM extensively, you must
refill the boiler on all machines (that do not have autofill.)

dave
www.hitechespresso.com



  
Date: 11 Aug 2007 22:39:02
From: Danny Joe
Subject: Re: Timer and e61

>
> NO idea.
>
> I've used, workd on and "pid'ed many Isomacs, I once the boiler is
> full it all takes care of itself. If you STEAM extensively, you must
> refill the boiler on all machines (that do not have autofill.)
>
> dave
> www.hitechespresso.com
>

Thanks, Dave.

The Quickmill has autofill, so that is not too much of a problem. It is
noisier than the Isomac, though.




 
Date: 11 Aug 2007 14:21:21
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: Timer and e61



No the water ritual is not necessary -- the head should already be
primed.

and BTW, get the mechanical timer $9.00 (at Lowes)
the digital is a PITA, less reliable and 2x the $$.





  
Date: 11 Aug 2007 12:22:32
From: Danny Joe
Subject: Re: Timer and e61

"lockjaw" <davebobbl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1186842081.321322.171720@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> No the water ritual is not necessary -- the head should already be
> primed.
>
> and BTW, get the mechanical timer $9.00 (at Lowes)
> the digital is a PITA, less reliable and 2x the $$.

I gather that about the digital timer. I had some real bad luck with other
digital timers around the house.

Thanks for the tip.

Any idea why Isomac would say you need to prime the head on every start-up?

Cheers,

Danny (pumped, primed, and ready to go) Joe




   
Date: 11 Aug 2007 17:10:28
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Timer and e61
> Any idea why Isomac would say you need to prime the head on every start-up?

I believe 'start-up' for Isomac is when you first purchase and fill the tank
with water. Not the same condition as having a everything full and simply
turning the heat back on. Dan





    
Date: 11 Aug 2007 18:11:08
From: Danny Joe
Subject: Re: Timer and e61

"Dan Bollinger" <danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote in message
news:T6GdnUYFGeO3uyPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>> Any idea why Isomac would say you need to prime the head on every
>> start-up?
>
> I believe 'start-up' for Isomac is when you first purchase and fill the
> tank with water. Not the same condition as having a everything full and
> simply turning the heat back on. Dan
>

From Page 12 of the "Use and Mainetance Manual":
---------------------------------------
Perform the following operations every time you switch the machine on and
every time you draw steam:

push the coffee lever (6) up so that water comes out of the bottom of the
coffee distribution unit (3)


Pull down the coffee lever (6) The boiler will automatically fill with water


Wait about 3-4 minutes for the machine to be pressurized. The heating
element light (12) goes off and the coffee light (11) goes on.

-----------------------------------

Very clear, even if it is translated from Italian.

In Italian (which I don't speak) the first line goes like this:

Eseguire le operazione indicate de seguito ongi volta che si assende la
macchina e ongi volta che si preleva vapore.

Danny (Ciao Venetize!) Joe




    
Date: 11 Aug 2007 15:57:21
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Timer and e61
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:10:28 -0400, "Dan Bollinger"
<danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote:

>> Any idea why Isomac would say you need to prime the head on every start-up?
>
>I believe 'start-up' for Isomac is when you first purchase and fill the tank
>with water. Not the same condition as having a everything full and simply
>turning the heat back on. Dan

What Dan said. I use a timer (4 years so far) so I can turn my Isomac
OFF at night.

Marshall


     
Date: 12 Aug 2007 23:24:40
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Timer and e61
In article <5kfsb35dh9drj9kgf6jknsp9nj41cpluhj@4ax.com >,
mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net says...
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:10:28 -0400, "Dan Bollinger"
> <danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com> wrote:
>
> >> Any idea why Isomac would say you need to prime the head on every start-up?
> >
> >I believe 'start-up' for Isomac is when you first purchase and fill the tank
> >with water. Not the same condition as having a everything full and simply
> >turning the heat back on. Dan
>
> What Dan said. I use a timer (4 years so far) so I can turn my Isomac
> OFF at night.
>
Marshall, do you find that the anti-siphon valve gets gummed up and
stops sealing properly after several months of daily on/off? That is
what I found when I ran my Wega on a timer. After ~ 1.5 years and 3
anti-siphon valves, I decided to leave it on 7/24 except when away
overnight. No problems until I the last time I returned from vacation,
and then sure enough, the anti-siphon valve wouldn't seal properly upon
re-starting. And this is with a 2 micron filter on the water input
line. What's your experience?

Rick


      
Date: 12 Aug 2007 21:23:33
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Timer and e61
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:24:40 GMT, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<rickk@letterectomyTELUS.net > wrote:

>In article <5kfsb35dh9drj9kgf6jknsp9nj41cpluhj@4ax.com>,
>mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net says...
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:10:28 -0400, "Dan Bollinger"
>> <danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Any idea why Isomac would say you need to prime the head on every start-up?
>> >
>> >I believe 'start-up' for Isomac is when you first purchase and fill the tank
>> >with water. Not the same condition as having a everything full and simply
>> >turning the heat back on. Dan
>>
>> What Dan said. I use a timer (4 years so far) so I can turn my Isomac
>> OFF at night.
>>
>Marshall, do you find that the anti-siphon valve gets gummed up and
>stops sealing properly after several months of daily on/off? That is
>what I found when I ran my Wega on a timer. After ~ 1.5 years and 3
>anti-siphon valves, I decided to leave it on 7/24 except when away
>overnight. No problems until I the last time I returned from vacation,
>and then sure enough, the anti-siphon valve wouldn't seal properly upon
>re-starting. And this is with a 2 micron filter on the water input
>line. What's your experience?
>
>Rick

No problems after 4 years.

Marshall