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Date: 18 Apr 2007 13:18:49
From: frankiecoffee
Subject: Toper Roasters - any comments
I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
of these machines. Please let me know.





 
Date: 19 Apr 2007 23:35:30
From: diab0lus
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
On Apr 19, 5:27 pm, gscace <gregory.sc...@nist.gov > wrote:
> Here in the US Toper roasters are sold by
> DelawareCityCoffeecompany.com

I picked up my roaster from DCCC. They had the best price I could
find. Overall, a very good buying experience.



  
Date: 23 Apr 2007 16:07:51
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
I have dealt with, but not purchased from Delaware, whilst his name escapes
me, he is very easy to deal with...

Also balance my comments with Toper have changed how they sell their stuff
since I was last in the market for a roaster, and this time round I haven't
really been to worried about prices yet.

Brent


>> Here in the US Toper roasters are sold by
>> DelawareCityCoffeecompany.com
>
> I picked up my roaster from DCCC. They had the best price I could
> find. Overall, a very good buying experience.
>




 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:53:29
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
And remember that the advice you are getting here is worth every cent you
paid for it...

>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
> purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
> substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
> or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
> of these machines. Please let me know.
>




 
Date: 19 Apr 2007 14:27:13
From: gscace
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
Here in the US Toper roasters are sold by
DelawareCityCoffeecompany.com

Wow, the cost of automated controls is really frightful.

-Greg



  
Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:52:59
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
get a quote ex factory, or build it your self :)

> Here in the US Toper roasters are sold by
> DelawareCityCoffeecompany.com
>
> Wow, the cost of automated controls is really frightful.
>
> -Greg
>




 
Date: 19 Apr 2007 12:13:03
From: frankiecoffee
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
On Apr 18, 11:12 pm, Randy G. <f...@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote:
> frankiecoffee <francoisdre...@absamail.co.za> wrote:
> >I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
> >purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
> >substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
> >or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
> >of these machines. Please let me know.
>
> Contact the company for a reference to a shop local to you and go talk
> to an owner of one.There should be plenty of them around to see
> because they say that they are, "...one of the oldest coffee roaster
> manufacturer [sic] in the world."
>
> Randy
> "SIC is an abbrv. in Latin for 'I ain't the one who screwed it up' "
> G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

You don't understand - I live in South-Africa - small roasters are as
scarce as hens teeth around here. We have a few companies that roast
on medium to large scale - they mostly run Diedrich machines.I know of
one guy that's been around for hundred years in Port-Elizabeth but he
uses a self built roaster.



  
Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:49:37
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
In which case, maybe first off a basic roaster that you can easily get parts
for could be a good idea. that or aim to buy two so you have a spare :)

Although in reality, if say a motor dies, you are probably going to get the
same brand replacement motor locally irrespective of the make of roaster...

off the shelf components is good... I had to replace a bearing and using
stock parts from an engineering place was easy!

Brent


> You don't understand - I live in South-Africa - small roasters are as
> scarce as hens teeth around here. We have a few companies that roast
> on medium to large scale - they mostly run Diedrich machines.I know of
> one guy that's been around for hundred years in Port-Elizabeth but he
> uses a self built roaster.
>




   
Date: 19 Apr 2007 16:20:39
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
And when I head of the OP's location that is exactly what I thought,
Brent.

I suggest he talk to the manufacturer and find out about pulleys,
blowers, motors, bearings, and any electrical parts used. How much of
it is off the shelf and how much of it is made to order only (as are
the roasters). In the case of maintenance and repairs, I would look
for a roaster with as simple of a design as possible with mechanical
instead of electronic control. Adding a digital thermometer is fine,
but electronic controls could be problematic if something fails in the
roaster. Being down a month awaiting a replacement control unit could
get more expensive to the business than what was saved with the
initial investment.


Randy "a penny saved is a nickel lost" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com



"Brent" <me@privacy.net > wrote:
>
>In which case, maybe first off a basic roaster that you can easily get parts
>for could be a good idea. that or aim to buy two so you have a spare :)
>
>Although in reality, if say a motor dies, you are probably going to get the
>same brand replacement motor locally irrespective of the make of roaster...
>
>off the shelf components is good... I had to replace a bearing and using
>stock parts from an engineering place was easy!
>
>Brent
>
>
>> You don't understand - I live in South-Africa - small roasters are as
>> scarce as hens teeth around here. We have a few companies that roast
>> on medium to large scale - they mostly run Diedrich machines.I know of
>> one guy that's been around for hundred years in Port-Elizabeth but he
>> uses a self built roaster.
>>
>


 
Date: 19 Apr 2007 14:15:22
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
We have a toper, and I can't say I am overly familiar with the diedrichs
etc.

I would prefer we had a diedrich, but for a variety of reasons, including
"you can pick it up now" we bought a near new toper locally.

We also have a has garanti, and while it is a nice looking machine, the
bigger ones we decided to steer clear from after talking to a number of
people - we did nearly buy one, but I am so glad we got the toper over the
has garanti..

We may buy a bigger toper (current one is 5 kg, seriously looking at a 15 in
the next month or so) but the one after that (30 - 40 range) won't be a
toper.

There is nothing wrong with the toper - the drum spins, the beans turn
brown, and it is all fairly consistent and predictable.

I think (and from talking to other toper users) that one of the main issues
is that it is damn near impossible to roast to the capacity of the drum - ie
I don't think we have been able to do a full 5 kg load, but 4 is no problem,
and we have managed good results from as little as 2.5 kg. We are viewing
the 15 as a 12 kg roaster, good down to about 6 - 7 kg (but if I have my
way, we will still have the 5 to do smaller loads on) Having said that,
different origins are worse, meaning lower loads to start with. At a push we
normally get around 4.5 in if we need to, but then we also do more than one
roast at a time...

So if you are working on putting 5 kg's in, and getting 4 out, then count on
doing more roasts than you are planning.

In terms of parts, I think the Toper seems reasonably straight forward to
pull to bits, but then our 2 1/2 year old roaster hasn't needed to be
repaired yet so I am merely observing that I know what to undo, and it
appears easy to get to...

The controls and saftey stuff on the turkish roasters are pretty basic, but
the topers I have seen all look good, the has garantis gas systems always
look a little mickey mouse by comparison.

So in essence I think you will find that if you want just a basic roaster,
and are not worried about actual versus stated capacity, then yeah the
Topers are simple, but simple doesn't take to much to maintain.

Once you have one, I am sure you will start to want something else, but then
you will know the limitations of your roaster as it affects you, and that
would apply to any purchase.

Have fun

Brent

oh, and if you get a choice - four motors...

>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
> purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
> substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
> or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
> of these machines. Please let me know.
>




 
Date: 18 Apr 2007 22:44:41
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
On 18 Apr 2007 13:18:49 -0700, frankiecoffee
<francoisdreyer@absamail.co.za > wrote:

>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
>purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
>substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
>or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
>of these machines. Please let me know.

If you haven't already, post your question on the Roasters Guild
forum: http://www.roastersguild.org/forums/

Marshall


  
Date: 18 Apr 2007 19:40:05
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments

"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:hp7d2312o3r0opfs6d4u39vvakae7u655e@4ax.com...
> On 18 Apr 2007 13:18:49 -0700, frankiecoffee
> <francoisdreyer@absamail.co.za> wrote:
>
>>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
>>purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
>>substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
>>or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
>>of these machines. Please let me know.
>
> If you haven't already, post your question on the Roasters Guild
> forum: http://www.roastersguild.org/forums/
>
> Marshall

Hi Marshall, I'm registered for the SCAA forums. I just tried to
register for the Roasters Guild forums & I got this on the page: "Sorry,
but that e-mail address is already registered to a user".. Yes, that
user is me! Can I not use the same email address for different forums?
Or do I have to change my user name differently & keep the same email
address?
TIA,
Craig.



   
Date: 19 Apr 2007 21:04:51
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:40:05 -0400, "Craig Andrews"
<alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:

>
>"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:hp7d2312o3r0opfs6d4u39vvakae7u655e@4ax.com...
>> On 18 Apr 2007 13:18:49 -0700, frankiecoffee
>> <francoisdreyer@absamail.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
>>>purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
>>>substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
>>>or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
>>>of these machines. Please let me know.
>>
>> If you haven't already, post your question on the Roasters Guild
>> forum: http://www.roastersguild.org/forums/
>>
>> Marshall
>
>Hi Marshall, I'm registered for the SCAA forums. I just tried to
>register for the Roasters Guild forums & I got this on the page: "Sorry,
>but that e-mail address is already registered to a user".. Yes, that
>user is me! Can I not use the same email address for different forums?
>Or do I have to change my user name differently & keep the same email
>address?
>TIA,
>Craig.

Try emailing the moderator to straighten this out.

Marshall


    
Date: 19 Apr 2007 17:13:31
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments

"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:kbmf239qin17e1shoqurih7fdus079cs0j@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:40:05 -0400, "Craig Andrews"
> <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:hp7d2312o3r0opfs6d4u39vvakae7u655e@4ax.com...
>>> On 18 Apr 2007 13:18:49 -0700, frankiecoffee
>>> <francoisdreyer@absamail.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need
>>>>to
>>>>purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
>>>>substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich,
>>>>Probat
>>>>or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any
>>>>experience
>>>>of these machines. Please let me know.
>>>
>>> If you haven't already, post your question on the Roasters Guild
>>> forum: http://www.roastersguild.org/forums/
>>>
>>> Marshall
>>
>>Hi Marshall, I'm registered for the SCAA forums. I just tried to
>>register for the Roasters Guild forums & I got this on the page:
>>"Sorry,
>>but that e-mail address is already registered to a user".. Yes, that
>>user is me! Can I not use the same email address for different forums?
>>Or do I have to change my user name differently & keep the same email
>>address?
>>TIA,
>>Craig.
>
> Try emailing the moderator to straighten this out.
>
> Marshall


Hi Marshal, I was going to do that.. I exceeded the max # of login
attempts, but it was close enough (1 hr or so till midnight) rollover to
a new day., so I just waited till then. I picked another user name &
another of my email accounts & no problem.

Once created & in, I didn't want to use my email addy from here., so I
changed it on my profile.
Craig.



 
Date: 18 Apr 2007 15:00:55
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
On 18 Apr 2007 13:18:49 -0700, frankiecoffee
<francoisdreyer@absamail.co.za > wrote:

>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
>purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
>substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
>or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
>of these machines. Please let me know.

There's a couple of fellows on CoffeeGeek that have a Toper
Here's one thread for a lead
http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/284903


 
Date: 18 Apr 2007 14:12:33
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Toper Roasters - any comments
frankiecoffee <francoisdreyer@absamail.co.za > wrote:

>I am in the process of setting up my own roasting business and need to
>purchase a shoproaster. The Toper machines(www.toper.com) are
>substantially cheaper(less than 50% of the price) of Diedrich, Probat
>or San Franciscan machines. Does anyone out there have any experience
>of these machines. Please let me know.
>
Contact the company for a reference to a shop local to you and go talk
to an owner of one.There should be plenty of them around to see
because they say that they are, "...one of the oldest coffee roaster
manufacturer [sic] in the world."


Randy
"SIC is an abbrv. in Latin for 'I ain't the one who screwed it up' "
G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com