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Date: 12 Sep 2006 06:53:48
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Subject: Two French Presses, one bad taste.
I have two French Presses, both bought at Ikea. One is a little large
than the other. I suppose one is three cups and one is two cups.
Coffe cups that is. Not measuring cups. The smaller one I use at
work. I grind my beans right before I make my coffee at work and home
and use boiled water. At home I have a Star bucks burr grinder and at
work I have a Cuisenart burr grinder.
The problem is no matter what I seem to do the coffee I make at work
really tastes bad and the coffee I make at home is really good. I use
the same beans out of the same bag. I even use the same water. I took
the same bottled water I use at home and used it at work, boiling it in
the microwave before using. I have also ground the beans at home on
the same grider and brought them to work and used them and get the same
taste. As well, the Press I use at work I used to use at home and it
tasted fine there. That coffee has a dust or metal taste. The only
thing I can think is that at work I am on the 43rd floor of an office
building and at home I am on ground level. I am at a loss as what the
diffference is. Any ideas would be appreciated.





 
Date: 13 Sep 2006 06:08:15
From:
Subject: Re: Two French Presses, one bad taste.
Well I tried one last thing and I think I found the culprit. I was a
little wary of the water temp issue. We have a commercial coffee
machine here in Dallas, that pumps out Folger's crude all day but it
also has a hot water dispenser. The water that comes out is not
boiling but I can put it in the microwave and have it boiling in about
30 seconds so it is pretty hot to start with. I have tried making
coffee in the FP with the water straight out of the spout as well as
heating it further to boiling in the microwave and in both cases the
coffe from the FP tastes like dust and metal. I also wandered if it
was the water here that tastes bad so I brought my own water as I
mentioned and boiled it in the microwave. Not a rolling boil but there
were bubbles coming up in the water. About 4 minutes to boil in the
microwave from room temp. But as I said that made no difference. As
well, if the water is not uniformly the same temp, pouring it in the FP
will fix that I would suspect. I would also think that by the time I
put the coffee in the FP temp was a little below boiling due to pouring
it out and that I did not boil the water till it was steaming but just
bubbling. I do not carry around a thermometer so I am not sure of the
temp.

But one thing I did not try was not using the FP but just putting
coffee in a cup and putting in water. I tried it and it worked. Used
the water from the coffee machine and did not heat it further in the
Microwave. After about 8 or 9 minutes the grounds had sunk for the
most part and I took a drink and it was just like at home though a
little chunky.

Not sure what the deal with the FP is. I used to use it at home and it
was fine but I think it is trash time for it and another trip to Ikea.
They have good FPs there. And about $15. Except for the one I have at
work.

But thanks for the info. I find it interesting how far you all go to
get the perfect cup of coffee. Keep up the good work.



  
Date: 13 Sep 2006 20:17:30
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Two French Presses, one bad taste.

<hotsdogs2003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158152895.398632.306770@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Well I tried one last thing and I think I found the culprit. I was a
> little wary of the water temp issue. We have a commercial coffee
> machine here in Dallas, that pumps out Folger's crude all day but it
> also has a hot water dispenser. The water that comes out is not
> boiling but I can put it in the microwave and have it boiling in about
> 30 seconds so it is pretty hot to start with. I have tried making
> coffee in the FP with the water straight out of the spout as well as
> heating it further to boiling in the microwave and in both cases the
> coffe from the FP tastes like dust and metal. I also wandered if it
> was the water here that tastes bad so I brought my own water as I
> mentioned and boiled it in the microwave. Not a rolling boil but there
> were bubbles coming up in the water. About 4 minutes to boil in the
> microwave from room temp. But as I said that made no difference. As
> well, if the water is not uniformly the same temp, pouring it in the FP
> will fix that I would suspect. I would also think that by the time I
> put the coffee in the FP temp was a little below boiling due to pouring
> it out and that I did not boil the water till it was steaming but just
> bubbling. I do not carry around a thermometer so I am not sure of the
> temp.
>
> But one thing I did not try was not using the FP but just putting
> coffee in a cup and putting in water. I tried it and it worked. Used
> the water from the coffee machine and did not heat it further in the
> Microwave. After about 8 or 9 minutes the grounds had sunk for the
> most part and I took a drink and it was just like at home though a
> little chunky.
>
> Not sure what the deal with the FP is. I used to use it at home and it
> was fine but I think it is trash time for it and another trip to Ikea.
> They have good FPs there. And about $15. Except for the one I have at
> work.
>
> But thanks for the info. I find it interesting how far you all go to
> get the perfect cup of coffee. Keep up the good work.
>

Glad to hear you sorted it.
That finding doesn't gel to well with that same FP giving a good cup at
home, but hey, whatever works. Sounds like that might have been that at one
time or another it used to give a good cup.

maybe I'll be able to pick up your old one in a thrift shop for a $0.50 and
use it :-)

hmm 8 or 9 mins brewing huh. well OK if that's what works.

here's a couple of links for FP cofee making
http://www.ineedcoffee.com/05/clean/
http://www.ineedcoffee.com/02/03/press/

and a realy good one from Fortune that includes the SCAA brew chart
http://bccy.blogspot.com/2003/11/life-with-cafetire.html




 
Date: 12 Sep 2006 11:18:33
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Two French Presses, one bad taste.

<hotsdogs2003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158069228.467771.251650@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I have two French Presses, both bought at Ikea. One is a little large
> than the other. I suppose one is three cups and one is two cups.
> Coffe cups that is. Not measuring cups. The smaller one I use at
> work. I grind my beans right before I make my coffee at work and home
> and use boiled water. At home I have a Star bucks burr grinder and at
> work I have a Cuisenart burr grinder.
> The problem is no matter what I seem to do the coffee I make at work
> really tastes bad and the coffee I make at home is really good. I use
> the same beans out of the same bag. I even use the same water. I took
> the same bottled water I use at home and used it at work, boiling it in
> the microwave before using. I have also ground the beans at home on
> the same grider and brought them to work and used them and get the same
> taste. As well, the Press I use at work I used to use at home and it
> tasted fine there. That coffee has a dust or metal taste. The only
> thing I can think is that at work I am on the 43rd floor of an office
> building and at home I am on ground level. I am at a loss as what the
> diffference is. Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
Since you seem to have tried almost every other combo add the last few to
find out.
Take your electric kettle and the grinder from home to work and use them
there and see if that's the difference.
Like John S. I wouldn't trust the microwave to produce evenly heated water.
Also, you don't state how you do this, but it is very important to get the
brewing temperature within the 195-205F. That's the part that I feel the
microwave is not so good for although with good testing I'm sure you can get
good results.
What I've done at home is to calibrate the water temp by putting a
thermocouple in the boiling water and then timing how long it takes to get
to the desired temperature. There's also that water boils at different temps
at different altitudes and at work you are up a bunch probably (43-1)*15
feet say 630 feet. Of course for all I know the ground level where you live
may be atop a 5000 foot mountain and go to work down in the valley ;-)
check out this thread
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.coffee/browse_thread/thread/3b2f2f2190def
b6/c2cdd4e6cf848728 the eleventh post down in the thread is particularly
relevant.
as you can tell from the thread you may also need to check the barometric
pressure locally, maybe by finding on the web your nearest weather station.
I don't usually bother here in San Diego as my barometer never seems to move
a whole and we don't get to many hurricanes here.

It's interesting to note also that what the brew temp is, is not the same as
the water temp you pour in at. Depending on your vessel the water can take 4
mins from boiling to get down to 205F but also depending on what you pour it
into will end up within seconds at much lower temperature and fall slowly
through the brew time. Here's a sumy of what I measured a while back:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.coffee/msg/8b4f18a239d4d6d5








 
Date: 12 Sep 2006 08:03:37
From: John S.
Subject: Re: Two French Presses, one bad taste.
Lots of possibilities.

Your water "boiled" in the microwave at work may not be hot enough.
Microwaves are notorious for inconsistent heating.

The press used at work may not be clean.

Because the presses are different sizes, you may not be using the
correct amount of coffee.

If there has been a lot of construction at your office, or if new
carpet was installed those odors can definitely influence how we
experience other flavors, especially a product having as many flavors
as coffee does.


hotsdogs2003@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have two French Presses, both bought at Ikea. One is a little large
> than the other. I suppose one is three cups and one is two cups.
> Coffe cups that is. Not measuring cups. The smaller one I use at
> work. I grind my beans right before I make my coffee at work and home
> and use boiled water. At home I have a Star bucks burr grinder and at
> work I have a Cuisenart burr grinder.
> The problem is no matter what I seem to do the coffee I make at work
> really tastes bad and the coffee I make at home is really good. I use
> the same beans out of the same bag. I even use the same water. I took
> the same bottled water I use at home and used it at work, boiling it in
> the microwave before using. I have also ground the beans at home on
> the same grider and brought them to work and used them and get the same
> taste. As well, the Press I use at work I used to use at home and it
> tasted fine there. That coffee has a dust or metal taste. The only
> thing I can think is that at work I am on the 43rd floor of an office
> building and at home I am on ground level. I am at a loss as what the
> diffference is. Any ideas would be appreciated.