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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:16:53
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Using a Gaggia MDF
So I've forked out for a nice 'n' shiny new Gaggia MDF. However, I
really need some help on how to correctly grind and, more importantly,
dispense a reproducible amount of ground coffee. So, is the idea you
grind it until the reservoir is full of ground coffee or just enough to
fill a couple of the carrousel slots or....?

I'm getting horrible coffee because I can't get an accurate,
reproducible dispense of ground coffee. Is really the only way to do
this is to premeasure the beans. Then grind until they are all gone
(hoping you don't knacker the grinder by grinding it dry) and then just
pull the lever over and over again until the dispenser is dry?

Or.... is there a better way?





 
Date: 21 Nov 2006 04:19:31
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
Mine does get quieter when running dry - I just wouldn't describe it as
Whisper Quiet :-)

TBH I've taken on board the assurances that it won't damage the unit so
I've now also started doing the 'measure the beans and run until
finished' approach.

Thanks :-)

Steve

Harry Moos wrote:
> My MDF becomes very quiet when all the beans are ground. I can still hear
> it, but there is a definite change in noise. I can't imagine it would hurt
> the grinder to run it dry, as long as you don't walk away and leave it
> running. I have left mine run dry every day for two years, but I do switch
> it off right after the sound changes.



 
Date: 17 Nov 2006 07:25:36
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
Oh bu**er :-(

daveb wrote:
> mebbe!
>
> my old MDF was real quiet when bean-less.



 
Date: 17 Nov 2006 05:33:51
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
mebbe!

my old MDF was real quiet when bean-less.

dave


solwisesteve wrote:
> It's quiet when there are no beans?!?!?!
>
> Mines as noisy as hell with or without beans! Is mine faulty then? :-)
>
> Steve
>
> daveb wrote:
> > they probably say that since it is so quiet when there are no beans,
> > one might walk away and leave it running all day. which may cause
> > excess heat.



 
Date: 17 Nov 2006 05:12:51
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
It's quiet when there are no beans?!?!?!

Mines as noisy as hell with or without beans! Is mine faulty then? :-)

Steve

daveb wrote:
> they probably say that since it is so quiet when there are no beans,
> one might walk away and leave it running all day. which may cause
> excess heat.



  
Date: 18 Nov 2006 20:05:50
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
My MDF becomes very quiet when all the beans are ground. I can still hear
it, but there is a definite change in noise. I can't imagine it would hurt
the grinder to run it dry, as long as you don't walk away and leave it
running. I have left mine run dry every day for two years, but I do switch
it off right after the sound changes.

"solwisesteve" <steve@solwise.co.uk > wrote in message
news:1163769171.819764.296050@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> It's quiet when there are no beans?!?!?!
>
> Mines as noisy as hell with or without beans! Is mine faulty then? :-)
>
> Steve
>
> daveb wrote:
>> they probably say that since it is so quiet when there are no beans,
>> one might walk away and leave it running all day. which may cause
>> excess heat.
>




  
Date: 17 Nov 2006 12:14:49
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
solwisesteve wrote:

> It's quiet when there are no beans?!?!?!
>
> Mines as noisy as hell with or without beans! Is mine faulty then? :-)
>
> Steve

If you can't hear a distinct difference between grinding and no beans in
the burrs, I think your MDF has a problem!


>
> daveb wrote:
>
>>they probably say that since it is so quiet when there are no beans,
>>one might walk away and leave it running all day. which may cause
>>excess heat.
>
>


 
Date: 16 Nov 2006 04:53:07
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
they probably say that since it is so quiet when there are no beans,
one might walk away and leave it running all day. which may cause
excess heat.

dave
Saeco / Gaggia service SE



 
Date: 16 Nov 2006 00:27:23
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
Ditto... I'm finding tens 'one thousand and ones' (about 8 seconds)
seems to fill the filter to the correct level :-)

Jim wrote:
> I'm now trying the timing method myself. I haven't decided which I like
> better.



 
Date: 16 Nov 2006 00:20:10
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
It says so in the crappy, single sheet guide it comes with :-)

Neal Reid wrote:
> What gives you the idea running the grinder empty puts it at risk?
> Does it no harm whatever to grind out all the beans!



 
Date: 15 Nov 2006 13:36:25
From: Neal Reid
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
In article
<1163513813.746744.312390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"solwisesteve" <steve@solwise.co.uk > wrote:

> Then grind until they are all gone
> (hoping you don't knacker the grinder by grinding it dry)

What gives you the idea running the grinder empty puts it at risk?
Does it no harm whatever to grind out all the beans!

--
M for N in address to mail reply


 
Date: 15 Nov 2006 07:18:36
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
Hi,

With this technique, is there any possibility of damaging the burr
mills by running dry?

It's hard to judge when all of the beans have been ground so there's a
good chance that the mill is running on empty.

Should I worry about damage or......?

Thanks

Steve

Jim wrote:
> I've been using one for about a month. Since we usually only drink
> about four shots a day, I just measure in the two scoops of beans for
> each double shot, grind, and pull the doser until it's empty.



  
Date: 15 Nov 2006 15:35:27
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
solwisesteve wrote:

> Hi,
>
> With this technique, is there any possibility of damaging the burr
> mills by running dry?

I don't hear any burr to burr contact. Based on my disassembly and
reassembly, I don't think so.

>
> It's hard to judge when all of the beans have been ground so there's a
> good chance that the mill is running on empty.
>
> Should I worry about damage or......?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
> Jim wrote:
>
>>I've been using one for about a month. Since we usually only drink
>>about four shots a day, I just measure in the two scoops of beans for
>>each double shot, grind, and pull the doser until it's empty.
>
>


 
Date: 15 Nov 2006 00:23:37
From: solwisesteve
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
Thanks for the replies on this... Due to health problems (i.e. serious
headaches etc...) I'm having to limit myself to only 4-5 espressos a
day; which, I'm sure you understand, with good espresso is hard to do!
:-) So I thourght the idea of filling the ground reservoir was a bit
daft. However, with a gaggia grinder (which, I don't consider a cheap
grinder) I was also a bit disbelieving when I read about the various
tricks that people do to get the right dosage of coffee when using an
MDF. Seems I was wrong - you have to do the tricks :-)

I'll try both the timing technique and Jims measuring idea to see which
gives me the best results.

Thanks for the input on this....

I just need to get this part correct and then I'm off to the next stage
- roasting :-)

Jim wrote:
> I've been using one for about a month. Since we usually only drink
> about four shots a day, I just measure in the two scoops of beans for
> each double shot, grind, and pull the doser until it's empty. I suppose
> I could store beans in the grinder, and do the timing thing that others
> mentioned. But prior to this I used a POS blade type, so I'm in the
> pattern of feeding in the right amount of beans to start with.



  
Date: 15 Nov 2006 15:34:19
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
solwisesteve wrote:
> Thanks for the replies on this... Due to health problems (i.e. serious
> headaches etc...) I'm having to limit myself to only 4-5 espressos a
> day; which, I'm sure you understand, with good espresso is hard to do!
> :-) So I thourght the idea of filling the ground reservoir was a bit
> daft. However, with a gaggia grinder (which, I don't consider a cheap
> grinder) I was also a bit disbelieving when I read about the various
> tricks that people do to get the right dosage of coffee when using an
> MDF. Seems I was wrong - you have to do the tricks :-)
>
> I'll try both the timing technique and Jims measuring idea to see which
> gives me the best results.

I'm now trying the timing method myself. I haven't decided which I like
better.

>
> Thanks for the input on this....
>
> I just need to get this part correct and then I'm off to the next stage
> - roasting :-)
>
> Jim wrote:
>
>>I've been using one for about a month. Since we usually only drink
>>about four shots a day, I just measure in the two scoops of beans for
>>each double shot, grind, and pull the doser until it's empty. I suppose
>>I could store beans in the grinder, and do the timing thing that others
>>mentioned. But prior to this I used a POS blade type, so I'm in the
>>pattern of feeding in the right amount of beans to start with.
>
>


 
Date: 14 Nov 2006 10:23:09
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
solwisesteve wrote:

> So I've forked out for a nice 'n' shiny new Gaggia MDF. However, I
> really need some help on how to correctly grind and, more importantly,
> dispense a reproducible amount of ground coffee. So, is the idea you
> grind it until the reservoir is full of ground coffee or just enough to
> fill a couple of the carrousel slots or....?
>
> I'm getting horrible coffee because I can't get an accurate,
> reproducible dispense of ground coffee. Is really the only way to do
> this is to premeasure the beans. Then grind until they are all gone
> (hoping you don't knacker the grinder by grinding it dry) and then just
> pull the lever over and over again until the dispenser is dry?
>
> Or.... is there a better way?
>

I've been using one for about a month. Since we usually only drink
about four shots a day, I just measure in the two scoops of beans for
each double shot, grind, and pull the doser until it's empty. I suppose
I could store beans in the grinder, and do the timing thing that others
mentioned. But prior to this I used a POS blade type, so I'm in the
pattern of feeding in the right amount of beans to start with.

As others suggested, I wouldn't fill up the doser area and rely on a
proper feed. Ground coffee gets old way fast. ...unless you do about
20 shots a day!


 
Date: 14 Nov 2006 10:24:22
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF
I pre-measure the beans and grind just the amount I need. I pull the dosing
lever until the basket is full, level it off with my finger or a measuring
spoon handle, and tamp. When I'm done for the day, I empty the doser [if
any remains] and discard it.

"solwisesteve" <steve@solwise.co.uk > wrote in message
news:1163513813.746744.312390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> So I've forked out for a nice 'n' shiny new Gaggia MDF. However, I
> really need some help on how to correctly grind and, more importantly,
> dispense a reproducible amount of ground coffee. So, is the idea you
> grind it until the reservoir is full of ground coffee or just enough to
> fill a couple of the carrousel slots or....?
>
> I'm getting horrible coffee because I can't get an accurate,
> reproducible dispense of ground coffee. Is really the only way to do
> this is to premeasure the beans. Then grind until they are all gone
> (hoping you don't knacker the grinder by grinding it dry) and then just
> pull the lever over and over again until the dispenser is dry?
>
> Or.... is there a better way?
>




 
Date: 14 Nov 2006 07:30:44
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Using a Gaggia MDF

solwisesteve wrote:
> So I've forked out for a nice 'n' shiny new Gaggia MDF. However, I
> really need some help on how to correctly grind and, more importantly,
> dispense a reproducible amount of ground coffee. So, is the idea you
> grind it until the reservoir is full of ground coffee

NO!!

or just enough to
> fill a couple of the carrousel slots or....?
>
> I'm getting horrible coffee because I can't get an accurate,
> reproducible dispense of ground coffee. Is really the only way to do
> this is to premeasure the beans. Then grind until they are all gone
> (hoping you don't knacker the grinder by grinding it dry) and then just
> pull the lever over and over again until the dispenser is dry?
>
> Or.... is there a better way?

run it for 5 or 6 seconds then pull the lever until your handle has
enough in it to level with your finger. If you need more give it a 1
or 2 or 3 second 'burst' -- repeat.

You don't want to be keeping GROUND coffee around for very long!

dave
www.hitechespresso.com