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Date: 28 Mar 2007 17:44:50
From: Parrothead
Subject: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
As stated I am moving to Singapore and need to sell my Isomac Tea &
Mini Mazzer Grinder which I purchased in ch 2004. Any advice on
what the current value should be? Thanks Parrothead





 
Date: 31 Mar 2007 15:55:12
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore

>
> Luckily, I'm seeing more and more electronics, especially computer
> hardware, that are 100 to 240V so they will run just about anywhere with
> only a plug adapter.
>

120 /240 VOLT electronics are simple due to the modern auto-sensing
switch mode power supplies.

NOT feasible with 1400 watt heaters, motors and solenoids.



 
Date: 30 Mar 2007 22:15:55
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
Stuff for sale now, harmon?

well. well, well.



  
Date: 31 Mar 2007 05:45:42
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
Howdy Dave!
Still trying to clean out the workshop. Gotta make room for more important
stuff.
--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I may have stuff available for sale here.

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175318155.254577.65300@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Stuff for sale now, harmon?
>
> well. well, well.
>




 
Date: 30 Mar 2007 22:13:35
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore

> >www.hitechespresso.com

Simple. click on the message, then on the top menu bar click
"message" -- > "block sender"

what an absurd exercise.

dave



 
Date: 30 Mar 2007 13:16:01
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore

ooooh! not the 'killfile'

and BTW -- my post contains everything that is needed.

www.hitechespresso.com



  
Date: 30 Mar 2007 20:20:47
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
Not everything, Dave. How does one use a killfile in Microsoft Outlook
Express News reader?

--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for newbies.

www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I may have stuff available for sale here.

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175285761.120993.307080@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> ooooh! not the 'killfile'
>
> and BTW -- my post contains everything that is needed.
>
> www.hitechespresso.com
>




   
Date: 30 Mar 2007 19:07:51
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
With an offensive post highlighted, click "Message, Block Sender..."


"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:ziePh.16631$PL.11279@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Not everything, Dave. How does one use a killfile in Microsoft Outlook
> Express News reader?
>
> --
> Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
> www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for newbies.
>
> www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I may have stuff available for sale here.
>
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1175285761.120993.307080@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ooooh! not the 'killfile'
>>
>> and BTW -- my post contains everything that is needed.
>>
>> www.hitechespresso.com
>>
>
>




 
Date: 30 Mar 2007 07:42:17
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
On 30, 10:16 am, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net > wrote:
> That's just not true - the current in your house now has been thru a
> transformer (out on the pole in the street) . There's nothing magically bad
> about transforming voltage. 120V is 120V whether it was transformed from
> 240 or transformed from some other voltage out on the pole - the machine
> doesn't care how it got there. The frequency in SG is a little different
> but not enough to have a bad effect either. Who "advised" you?
>
> Now what you need is a real 1500w transformer , not some dinky little plug
> in travel converter, which is a heavy thing (around 25 lbs.) Like this:
>
> http://www.dcacpowerinverters.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId={61CCFB31-3092-41F8-88BA-6C0FC848BEVEREST9B4}&ic=THG1500W
>
> But if you use one of these your machine (indeed almost all your 120V
> appliances) would think that they are "back home" and would work just fine.
>
> "Parrothead" <wfcrowninshi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175222764.306134.60270@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > I have been advised strongly against using this machine with a
> > transformer. It is thought to significantly reduce the life of all
> > the electrical components that aren't rated for the voltage/hz.
> > basically, anything that heats up doesn't do well on a transformer.
> > that's the word on the street anyway.

redundant post from 'ol izz.



  
Date: 30 Mar 2007 11:16:48
From: JC Dill
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
On 30 2007 07:42:17 -0700, "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

>redundant post from 'ol izz.

A) it was much more detailed than your post
B) usenet propagation being what it is, it's not unlikely that the
other post was sent before your post reached the other newsserver
C) maybe this other poster has you killfiled, and simply never sees
or knows about your posts at all. I know that this response from you
is tempting *my* killfile finger.

jc "go ahead, make my day"

--

"The nice thing about a e is you get to ride a lot
of different horses without having to own that many."
~ Eileen Morgan of The e's Nest, PA


   
Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:15:55
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
If this is from that old charmer, Dave, yes he is in my killfile.

"JC Dill" <jcdill@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:eskq035qprq2tfkootc3smmfcmidl8vcga@4ax.com...
> On 30 2007 07:42:17 -0700, "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>redundant post from 'ol izz.
>
> A) it was much more detailed than your post
> B) usenet propagation being what it is, it's not unlikely that the
> other post was sent before your post reached the other newsserver
> C) maybe this other poster has you killfiled, and simply never sees
> or knows about your posts at all. I know that this response from you
> is tempting *my* killfile finger.
>
> jc "go ahead, make my day"
>
> --
>
> "The nice thing about a e is you get to ride a lot
> of different horses without having to own that many."
> ~ Eileen Morgan of The e's Nest, PA




 
Date: 30 Mar 2007 00:30:35
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore

>
> I have been advised strongly against using this machine with a
> transformer. It is thought to significantly reduce the life of all
> the electrical components that aren't rated for the voltage/hz.
> basically, anything that heats up doesn't do well on a transformer.
> that's the word on the street anyway.

Yeah, well that is total B.S.

Get one that is rated for way more than the current draw of the
machine, so about a 2000 watt transformer.

e.g.:http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?
loadfile=catalog6_0.html

or a 3KW bruiser. $100.00

Dave
Saeco / Gaggia service SE
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 29 Mar 2007 19:46:04
From: Parrothead
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
On 29, 12:37 pm, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net > wrote:
> You could buy a step down transformer and use them in Singapore.
>
> "Parrothead" <wfcrowninshi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175129090.615303.249480@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > As stated I am moving to Singapore and need to sell my Isomac Tea &
> > Mini Mazzer Grinder which I purchased in ch 2004. Any advice on
> > what the current value should be? Thanks Parrothead- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have been advised strongly against using this machine with a
transformer. It is thought to significantly reduce the life of all
the electrical components that aren't rated for the voltage/hz.
basically, anything that heats up doesn't do well on a transformer.
that's the word on the street anyway.



  
Date: 30 Mar 2007 10:16:23
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
That's just not true - the current in your house now has been thru a
transformer (out on the pole in the street) . There's nothing magically bad
about transforming voltage. 120V is 120V whether it was transformed from
240 or transformed from some other voltage out on the pole - the machine
doesn't care how it got there. The frequency in SG is a little different
but not enough to have a bad effect either. Who "advised" you?

Now what you need is a real 1500w transformer , not some dinky little plug
in travel converter, which is a heavy thing (around 25 lbs.) Like this:

http://www.dcacpowerinverters.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId={61CCFB31-3092-41F8-88BA-6C0FC848BEVEREST9B4}&ic=THG1500W

But if you use one of these your machine (indeed almost all your 120V
appliances) would think that they are "back home" and would work just fine.


"Parrothead" <wfcrowninshield@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175222764.306134.60270@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> I have been advised strongly against using this machine with a
> transformer. It is thought to significantly reduce the life of all
> the electrical components that aren't rated for the voltage/hz.
> basically, anything that heats up doesn't do well on a transformer.
> that's the word on the street anyway.
>




   
Date: 31 Mar 2007 10:25:48
From: Danny Joe
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore

"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:zNidnQ1SoMUlhpDbnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That's just not true - the current in your house now has been thru a
> transformer (out on the pole in the street) . There's nothing magically
> bad about transforming voltage. 120V is 120V whether it was transformed
> from 240 or transformed from some other voltage out on the pole - the
> machine doesn't care how it got there. The frequency in SG is a little
> different but not enough to have a bad effect either. Who "advised" you?
>
> Now what you need is a real 1500w transformer , not some dinky little plug
> in travel converter, which is a heavy thing (around 25 lbs.) Like this:
>
> http://www.dcacpowerinverters.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId={61CCFB31-3092-41F8-88BA-6C0FC848BEVEREST9B4}&ic=THG1500W
>
> But if you use one of these your machine (indeed almost all your 120V
> appliances) would think that they are "back home" and would work just
> fine.
>

Just one observation.

I lived in S'pore for a couple of years and used one of these big
transformers for my stereo (NAD amp & preamp)

They get very hot. You don't really need more heat in Singapore.

Danny (I lived on Emerald Hill) Joe




    
Date: 31 Mar 2007 12:07:04
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
PS, some transformers tend to have a rather loud 50hz hum - for a lot of
people the hum is worse than the heat. All that being said, if you don't
mind have a 25 lb. chunk of metal sitting on your counter, they are really
not that hard to live with, given all the other things that we put up with
to have espresso. Certainly it will be cheaper to buy a $50 transformer
than to take the hit in selling a 120V machine + grinder and buying back a
240 setup (and then repeating if you ever move back again). I would source
it locally in SG so that you don't have to ship it and the price there would
be the same or less than US. If you consider all the other small appliances
and devices you may have that are 120V a $50 transformer (or a couple)
becomes a lot more appealing than re-buying every single electrical thing
you own. I'd err on the size of oversize and get a power strip so that you
could plug several things into it.

Luckily, I'm seeing more and more electronics, especially computer
hardware, that are 100 to 240V so they will run just about anywhere with
only a plug adapter.


"Danny Joe" <harry.flashmansquack@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:Q2vPh.169$zC.114@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:zNidnQ1SoMUlhpDbnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That's just not true - the current in your house now has been thru a
>> transformer (out on the pole in the street) . There's nothing magically
>> bad about transforming voltage. 120V is 120V whether it was transformed
>> from 240 or transformed from some other voltage out on the pole - the
>> machine doesn't care how it got there. The frequency in SG is a little
>> different but not enough to have a bad effect either. Who "advised" you?
>>
>> Now what you need is a real 1500w transformer , not some dinky little
>> plug in travel converter, which is a heavy thing (around 25 lbs.) Like
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.dcacpowerinverters.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId={61CCFB31-3092-41F8-88BA-6C0FC848BEVEREST9B4}&ic=THG1500W
>>
>> But if you use one of these your machine (indeed almost all your 120V
>> appliances) would think that they are "back home" and would work just
>> fine.
>>
>
> Just one observation.
>
> I lived in S'pore for a couple of years and used one of these big
> transformers for my stereo (NAD amp & preamp)
>
> They get very hot. You don't really need more heat in Singapore.
>
> Danny (I lived on Emerald Hill) Joe
>




    
Date: 31 Mar 2007 11:53:05
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
If you are running a 1500W espresso machine, another couple of hundred watts
of waste heat from a transformer shouldn't be a big deal. I would keep the
transformer unplugged when the machine was not in use. If it really bothered
you, you could keep the transformer outside on the balcony or something in a
weather-proof enclosure and run an extension cord back into your kitchen.


"Danny Joe" <harry.flashmansquack@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:Q2vPh.169$zC.114@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:zNidnQ1SoMUlhpDbnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That's just not true - the current in your house now has been thru a
>> transformer (out on the pole in the street) . There's nothing magically
>> bad about transforming voltage. 120V is 120V whether it was transformed
>> from 240 or transformed from some other voltage out on the pole - the
>> machine doesn't care how it got there. The frequency in SG is a little
>> different but not enough to have a bad effect either. Who "advised" you?
>>
>> Now what you need is a real 1500w transformer , not some dinky little
>> plug in travel converter, which is a heavy thing (around 25 lbs.) Like
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.dcacpowerinverters.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId={61CCFB31-3092-41F8-88BA-6C0FC848BEVEREST9B4}&ic=THG1500W
>>
>> But if you use one of these your machine (indeed almost all your 120V
>> appliances) would think that they are "back home" and would work just
>> fine.
>>
>
> Just one observation.
>
> I lived in S'pore for a couple of years and used one of these big
> transformers for my stereo (NAD amp & preamp)
>
> They get very hot. You don't really need more heat in Singapore.
>
> Danny (I lived on Emerald Hill) Joe
>




     
Date: 31 Mar 2007 20:44:20
From: Danny Joe
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore

"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:cfadncKTuN5_HpPbnZ2dnUVZ_segnZ2d@comcast.com...
> If you are running a 1500W espresso machine, another couple of hundred
> watts of waste heat from a transformer shouldn't be a big deal. I would
> keep the transformer unplugged when the machine was not in use. If it
> really bothered you, you could keep the transformer outside on the balcony
> or something in a weather-proof enclosure and run an extension cord back
> into your kitchen.
>
>

Good point, Jeack.

Just make sure you do UNPLUG it, don't just turn off the Isomac.

Or get a good quality surge protector and turn it off from there.

I can't remember how long the OP said they would be in S'pore. If it is a
long time (say, forever) then it would be worth it to get new stuff. If just
a couple of year, probably not.

I think that Singapore has the best food in the world. (If Pongoll is still
open, go there for their black pepper crab and salt and pepper shrimp. I
think it was torn down in the name of progress, though)

danny (Newton circus is not a circus) joe




 
Date: 29 Mar 2007 13:37:00
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
You could buy a step down transformer and use them in Singapore.



"Parrothead" <wfcrowninshield@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175129090.615303.249480@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> As stated I am moving to Singapore and need to sell my Isomac Tea &
> Mini Mazzer Grinder which I purchased in ch 2004. Any advice on
> what the current value should be? Thanks Parrothead
>




 
Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:32:15
From:
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore

> $1,000 for both
>
> Dave

Thanks Dave, thanks alot.

I was hoping he accept that hey had minimal value and I could get the
pair for $20.

Kurt



  
Date: 29 Mar 2007 13:35:16
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
I was ready to offer up to $50 if the seller paid shipping. $20 makes you
sound like a cheapskate. :-)


<old_442@comcast.net > wrote in message
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>
>> $1,000 for both
>>
>> Dave
>
> Thanks Dave, thanks alot.
>
> I was hoping he accept that hey had minimal value and I could get the
> pair for $20.
>
> Kurt
>
>




 
Date: 29 Mar 2007 06:13:45
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Value of Isomac Tea? Moving to Singapore
On 28, 8:44 pm, "Parrothead" <wfcrowninshi...@gmail.com > wrote:
> As stated I am moving to Singapore and need to sell my Isomac Tea &
> Mini Mazzer Grinder which I purchased in ch 2004. Any advice on
> what the current value should be? Thanks Parrothead

$1,000 for both

Dave