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Date: 09 Dec 2006 15:16:43
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: WOW! It really is the grinder!
I've been using a Gaggia MDF with my Miss Silvia. Today I got my used
Super Jolly (ked RIO) in from my Ebay buy.

After futzing around with grind, I pulled an absolutely amazing double!
Plenty of crema, about 2.5 oz in 25 seconds and a flavor I had NEVER
experienced in an espresso before. I had been saying I liked espresso
drinks, just not espresso itself. I guess 'cause I never had one this
good!

But DAMN! This thing is huge. The grinder itself, without the bean
bin, is as tall as Miss Silvia, and I think it is heavier. But it sure
is quick and relatively quiet.

Needs new burrs though, my grind setting is very close to the zero k.

So how about a manual or something that gives me a clue how to change
the burrs?

Lloyd




 
Date: 10 Dec 2006 08:26:34
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
I'm not sure but I know the Mini hopper fits like a glove and I think
Chris coffee has the even smaller hopper. But the Mini Hopper works
great and has the bean feed cutoff devise included. If you went the SJ
Hopper route I belive it comes in a few parts which adds to the
expense. I bought my hopper at a local service shop for even less money
but the online retailers have them pretty cheap. How much did you pay
for your burrs? I think I bought mine from terryz at espressoparts NW
for about $53.00 or something on sale.


Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> In article <1165712811.314262.111300@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "JoeP" <joe@internet-realty.com> wrote:
>
> > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I thought about getting a new hopper, as the one on it doesn't look all
> > > that good, but instead I think I'll just use it hopper-less and use the
> > > tamper as the 'cap' for the throat. Fits great!
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Lloyd
> >
> > Yeah Lloyd the new burrs will blow you away, only one side of my burrs
> > were only slightly dull when I received my Tagez SJ, and when I
> > replaced them with new ones the flavor from the same coffee I had been
> > grinding was amazingly more intense. I would recommend that you get a
> > Mazzer Mini hopper, or a couple places sell an even smaller version.
> > The no Hopper thing is kinda lame after a while and the Mini Hopper is
> > around $23. Plus aesthetically it's much better looking. Congrats on
> > your new toy.
> >
> > Joe
> > www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com
>
> Thanks Joe.
>
> I've got the burrs ordered and went ahead and ordered the 'handle' to
> assist in changing the grind settings.
>
> Do all the Mazzer hoppers fit all the Mazzers? I know there is a short
> one out there somewhere, I saw it on one of the sites I was on.



  
Date: 10 Dec 2006 10:54:42
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
With a discount from another location, I got the burrs, the collar lever
and shipping for $61.00.

I just tried to do a cafe crema from a grind on the SJ. Very bad. ;-(
Weak coffee and thin crema on a 25 second 6 oz. pull.

It is a coarser grind and what was immediately apparent was that the
grind was inconsistent. So I looked at the burrs again. Very worn, not
sharp at all.

That makes me unhappy today, but with new burrs that ought to take care
of itself. I suspect that even the espresso grind was somewhat
inconsistent, just hard to tell. I'll know more in about a week.

Thanks for the info on the other stuff. I'll be doing that, just not
right away. I've got other things to start playing with starting
tomorrow! ;-)

Lloyd

> I'm not sure but I know the Mini hopper fits like a glove and I think
> Chris coffee has the even smaller hopper. But the Mini Hopper works
> great and has the bean feed cutoff devise included. If you went the SJ
> Hopper route I belive it comes in a few parts which adds to the
> expense. I bought my hopper at a local service shop for even less money
> but the online retailers have them pretty cheap. How much did you pay
> for your burrs? I think I bought mine from terryz at espressoparts NW
> for about $53.00 or something on sale.
>
>
> Joe
> www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com
>
>
>
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> > In article <1165712811.314262.111300@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "JoeP" <joe@internet-realty.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I thought about getting a new hopper, as the one on it doesn't look all
> > > > that good, but instead I think I'll just use it hopper-less and use the
> > > > tamper as the 'cap' for the throat. Fits great!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > >
> > > > Lloyd
> > >
> > > Yeah Lloyd the new burrs will blow you away, only one side of my burrs
> > > were only slightly dull when I received my Tagez SJ, and when I
> > > replaced them with new ones the flavor from the same coffee I had been
> > > grinding was amazingly more intense. I would recommend that you get a
> > > Mazzer Mini hopper, or a couple places sell an even smaller version.
> > > The no Hopper thing is kinda lame after a while and the Mini Hopper is
> > > around $23. Plus aesthetically it's much better looking. Congrats on
> > > your new toy.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com
> >
> > Thanks Joe.
> >
> > I've got the burrs ordered and went ahead and ordered the 'handle' to
> > assist in changing the grind settings.
> >
> > Do all the Mazzer hoppers fit all the Mazzers? I know there is a short
> > one out there somewhere, I saw it on one of the sites I was on.


 
Date: 09 Dec 2006 17:06:51
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!

Lloyd Parsons wrote:

>
> I thought about getting a new hopper, as the one on it doesn't look all
> that good, but instead I think I'll just use it hopper-less and use the
> tamper as the 'cap' for the throat. Fits great!
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Lloyd

Yeah Lloyd the new burrs will blow you away, only one side of my burrs
were only slightly dull when I received my Tagez SJ, and when I
replaced them with new ones the flavor from the same coffee I had been
grinding was amazingly more intense. I would recommend that you get a
Mazzer Mini hopper, or a couple places sell an even smaller version.
The no Hopper thing is kinda lame after a while and the Mini Hopper is
around $23. Plus aesthetically it's much better looking. Congrats on
your new toy.

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



  
Date: 09 Dec 2006 19:31:48
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
In article <1165712811.314262.111300@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"JoeP" <joe@internet-realty.com > wrote:

> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> >
> > I thought about getting a new hopper, as the one on it doesn't look all
> > that good, but instead I think I'll just use it hopper-less and use the
> > tamper as the 'cap' for the throat. Fits great!
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Lloyd
>
> Yeah Lloyd the new burrs will blow you away, only one side of my burrs
> were only slightly dull when I received my Tagez SJ, and when I
> replaced them with new ones the flavor from the same coffee I had been
> grinding was amazingly more intense. I would recommend that you get a
> Mazzer Mini hopper, or a couple places sell an even smaller version.
> The no Hopper thing is kinda lame after a while and the Mini Hopper is
> around $23. Plus aesthetically it's much better looking. Congrats on
> your new toy.
>
> Joe
> www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com

Thanks Joe.

I've got the burrs ordered and went ahead and ordered the 'handle' to
assist in changing the grind settings.

Do all the Mazzer hoppers fit all the Mazzers? I know there is a short
one out there somewhere, I saw it on one of the sites I was on.


  
Date: 10 Dec 2006 01:15:48
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
On 9 Dec 2006 17:06:51 -0800, "JoeP" <joe@internet-realty.com > wrote:

>The no Hopper thing is kinda lame after a while

D'accord!


 
Date: 09 Dec 2006 13:59:08
From: Sylvain
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
>
> And while I would like to look at the burrs, I have not a clue how to
> get to them. That's why I asked for a book or PDF, or even just
> instructions.
>

Unscrew the shiny dial ring (it pushes down on the top burr carrier).

Have a look at the burrs to see if they're dull and clean them up.

Sylvain



  
Date: 09 Dec 2006 16:13:13
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
In article <1165701548.171246.233950@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com >,
"Sylvain" <barista9@hotmail.com > wrote:

> >
> > And while I would like to look at the burrs, I have not a clue how to
> > get to them. That's why I asked for a book or PDF, or even just
> > instructions.
> >
>
> Unscrew the shiny dial ring (it pushes down on the top burr carrier).
>
> Have a look at the burrs to see if they're dull and clean them up.
>
> Sylvain

Thanks. I just did that. Dull as expected (really dull!), this is an
Ebay used item after all.

I'll order some new ones.

I thought about getting a new hopper, as the one on it doesn't look all
that good, but instead I think I'll just use it hopperless and use the
tamper as the 'cap' for the throat. Fits great!

Thanks again.

Lloyd


   
Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:42:00
From: Sheldon T. Hall - DO NOT MAIL
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:13:13 -0600, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:

>I thought about getting a new hopper, as the one on it doesn't look all
>that good, but instead I think I'll just use it hopperless and use the
>tamper as the 'cap' for the throat. Fits great!

One of my grinders came with no hopper, and I didn't have room for one
in that kitchen, anyway. I found a length of clear plexiglas tubing
that was a nice fit in the grinder throat, and about a day's worth of
beans tall. It was a nice solution to the problem.

Shel



 
Date: 09 Dec 2006 21:32:19
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:16:43 -0600, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:

>Needs new burrs though, my grind setting is very close to the zero k.

Not necessarily.

New burrs are indicated when your pulls aren't consistent from shot to
shot because the burrs are mashing rather than grinding the beans.
[Assuming of course, consistent pulls are with your purview]

Take a look at the burrs. If the have nice clean edges with no nicks,
rounding, polishing, etc. on the cutting edges, they could be OK.


  
Date: 09 Dec 2006 15:37:41
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
In article <ndamn2dr8f025i38oq8n59ecr5bjeqm0di@4ax.com >,
"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:16:43 -0600, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >Needs new burrs though, my grind setting is very close to the zero k.
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> New burrs are indicated when your pulls aren't consistent from shot to
> shot because the burrs are mashing rather than grinding the beans.
> [Assuming of course, consistent pulls are with your purview]
>
> Take a look at the burrs. If the have nice clean edges with no nicks,
> rounding, polishing, etc. on the cutting edges, they could be OK.

Let me re-describe the setting. From the calibrated zero point (where
burrs are just touching), the proper setting is almost to the #2 from
the number zero. This on a band that has 0 to 0 with 10 kings (not
steps as it is stepless)

And while I would like to look at the burrs, I have not a clue how to
get to them. That's why I asked for a book or PDF, or even just
instructions.

I'm hoping after I get everything calibrated to have one k on it for
an espresso pull and another for my cafe cremas. I realized that with a
stepless, changing back and forth may not always result in the exact
spot and might need tweaking, especially at the espresso end of the
grind.


   
Date: 09 Dec 2006 21:58:42
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: WOW! It really is the grinder!
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:37:41 -0600, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:

>In article <ndamn2dr8f025i38oq8n59ecr5bjeqm0di@4ax.com>,
> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:16:43 -0600, Lloyd Parsons
>> <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Needs new burrs though, my grind setting is very close to the zero k.
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> New burrs are indicated when your pulls aren't consistent from shot to
>> shot because the burrs are mashing rather than grinding the beans.
>> [Assuming of course, consistent pulls are with your purview]
>>
>> Take a look at the burrs. If the have nice clean edges with no nicks,
>> rounding, polishing, etc. on the cutting edges, they could be OK.
>
>Let me re-describe the setting. From the calibrated zero point (where
>burrs are just touching), the proper setting is almost to the #2 from
>the number zero. This on a band that has 0 to 0 with 10 kings (not
>steps as it is stepless)
>

I have about 2 "numbers" on my MACAP stepless from just touching to
espresso setting. It's less than 6 months old and has not varied one
jot since day 1.

Better grinders get much closer as the burrs are not doing the Watusi.
On my Gran Macinino, I could get a full half turn closer after I
shimmed the upper burr carrier about .015"

>And while I would like to look at the burrs, I have not a clue how to
>get to them. That's why I asked for a book or PDF, or even just
>instructions.
>
>I'm hoping after I get everything calibrated to have one k on it for
>an espresso pull and another for my cafe cremas. I realized that with a
>stepless, changing back and forth may not always result in the exact
>spot and might need tweaking, especially at the espresso end of the
>grind.