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Date: 24 Sep 2006 14:25:05
From: Frank103
Subject: What do you put in your espresso?
I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.






 
Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:19:56
From:
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:25:05 -0700, "Frank103" <frank103@cox.net >
wrote:

>I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>

Tequila. Something mezzo-mezzo quality, like Commemorativo. Seriously,
it's better -- to my taste -- than any other flavoring for coffee.
Pull a double over a shot, or pull a double over a shot on three ice
cubes.







 
Date: 26 Sep 2006 04:51:06
From: Leo95se
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
holy cow. if people are this biased toward how others should drink
their coffee, I'd hate to get into the definition of a tini.



  
Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:45:59
From:
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On 26 Sep 2006 04:51:06 -0700, "Leo95se" <leo.zick@gmail.com > wrote:

>holy cow. if people are this biased toward how others should drink
>their coffee, I'd hate to get into the definition of a tini.



Number one: Perfectly good tini-like beverages can be made using
vodka, but a tini does not contain vodka.

Number two: No favorings of any kind that are not contained in the gin
or vermouth bottles at the time the seal was broken. That includes the
stuff they packed the olives in.










  
Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:18:00
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
Leo95se wrote:
> holy cow. if people are this biased toward how others should drink
> their coffee, I'd hate to get into the definition of a tini.

Oh, well, that's much simpler, because there is only One True tini.
Everything else is derivative.

--
St. John
Know what I hate most? Rhetorical questions.
-Henry N. Camp


  
Date: 26 Sep 2006 20:10:11
From: Paul Vojta
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
In article <1159271466.119636.223700@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
Leo95se <leo.zick@gmail.com > wrote:
>holy cow. if people are this biased toward how others should drink
>their coffee, I'd hate to get into the definition of a tini.

I use a demitasse spoon full of sugar, a fraction of a teaspoon.

(Stirred, not shaken.)

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu


  
Date: 26 Sep 2006 13:05:40
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
"Leo95se" <leo.zick@gmail.com > wrote:

>holy cow. if people are this biased toward how others should drink
>their coffee, I'd hate to get into the definition of a tini.
>
There is a HUGE difference between "You should drink it this way,"
and, "You should be ABLE to drink it this way."

Some time ago I mentioned to an acquaintance that I had a really great
straight espresso that morning. he immediately made a lemon-sucking
face, and replied, "Isn't espresso really bitter?" I explained to him
that most espresso served in the US is, indeed, bitter, but that it
shouldn't be, and wouldn't be if it was made correctly, etc., etc....

Since just about any consumer who has had an espresso or
espresso-based drink has been taught by experience that espresso is
really bitter, that is how they perceive the beverage, and that is
really too bad. If it is so bitter that it can't be sipped straight,
it should have gone down the sink and not have been served at all.

And upon that is what my comment earlier comment was based:
"Add sugar because you want to- not because you have to."


Randy "my party's foundation" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 26 Sep 2006 01:57:41
From: Jasonian
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
I once heard the phrase, "I put ketchup on my ketchup".. and it seems
that the following should be quite appropriate here.

"I put espresso in my espresso"



  
Date: 26 Sep 2006 20:16:07
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
Once in a while, if I have a sweet tooth, I'll pull a double shot onto a
teaspoon of Eagle Brand sweetened condensed milk and give it a little stir.
It is a wonderful dessert drink.
--
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
ed at homeroaster dot com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************

"Jasonian" <jason.haeger@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159261061.222889.249340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>I once heard the phrase, "I put ketchup on my ketchup".. and it seems
> that the following should be quite appropriate here.
>
> "I put espresso in my espresso"
>




   
Date: 27 Sep 2006 20:44:25
From: Simpson
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
In article <R4mdnZgSSJZfX4TYnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@insightbb.com >,
ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com says...
> Once in a while, if I have a sweet tooth, I'll pull a double shot onto a
> teaspoon of Eagle Brand sweetened condensed milk and give it a little stir.
> It is a wonderful dessert drink.
>
THAT sounds good!
--
email me at:
tee en jay ess eye em pee ess oh en one-the-number (at) cee oh em cee a
ess tee (dot) en ee tee

ANY other email addie will probably mean I spam-killed your message
unread, by accident, really.


 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 13:25:28
From: JulesG
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
I like mine straight but also as an Americano to make it last longer
like a regular cup of coffee, but much better tasting.

I also drink a bowl of Latte as part of breakfast. The mixture of
crema and microfoam is a delicacy with strong chocolate accents.



 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 13:01:30
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

I- >Ian wrote:
> >Are you allowed to put salt and pepper on a steak at your house ?
>
> ONLY after the first bite, should you desire a second invitation.

Indeed so. In fact, if you are the type to season food before you
taste it, the likelihood that you will receive a first invitation to my
home is small.

Let alone A-1, HP, or Heinz 57 sauce.



  
Date: 28 Sep 2006 04:42:13
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On 25 Sep 2006 13:01:30 -0700, "Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com >
wrote:

>Let alone A-1, HP, or Heinz 57 sauce.

Daddy's Brown Sauce!!!!



mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.




  
Date: 25 Sep 2006 21:21:43
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On 25 Sep 2006 13:01:30 -0700, "Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com >
wrote:

>Let alone A-1, HP, or Heinz 57 sauce.

Try a blend. Yum! <vbg >


 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 09:17:48
From: John S.
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

shall wrote:
> On 25 Sep 2006 08:34:09 -0700, "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >shall wrote:
> >> On 24 Sep 2006 18:06:02 -0700, "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Frank103 wrote:
> >> >> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
> >> >> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
> >> >> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
> >> >> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
> >> >
> >> >Some of the so-called "raw" sugar that has some molasses adds a
> >> >wonderful taste. It's not unusual at all to see sugar added to
> >> >espresso at bars in Italy.
> >>
> >> I think it's nearly universal in Italy. But, they are drinking blends
> >> with a lot of robusta, often roasted much more darkly than the best
> >> U.S. blends.
> >
> >I'm sure there is dreck available in Italy, as there is here. But I
> >don't think that the widespread use of sugar in espresso indicates that
> >all italian espresso is bitter cheap stuff. As with south america and
> >other locales there are local preferences in a lot of foods, including
> >coffee.
>
> I didn't mean to imply Italian coffee was bitter and cheap. Actually
> I've enjoyed some American coffees with a bit of robusta (I'm thinking
> the Dolce at Vivace in Seattle) and Malabar Gold. I was only saying
> the Italian styles of espresso may go better with sugar.

Good point. And I've found that the carmel/molasses flavor of "raw"
sugar can make an interesting change to an already good espresso.

>
> shall



 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 08:34:09
From: John S.
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

shall wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2006 18:06:02 -0700, "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Frank103 wrote:
> >> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
> >> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
> >> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
> >> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
> >
> >Some of the so-called "raw" sugar that has some molasses adds a
> >wonderful taste. It's not unusual at all to see sugar added to
> >espresso at bars in Italy.
>
> I think it's nearly universal in Italy. But, they are drinking blends
> with a lot of robusta, often roasted much more darkly than the best
> U.S. blends.

I'm sure there is dreck available in Italy, as there is here. But I
don't think that the widespread use of sugar in espresso indicates that
all italian espresso is bitter cheap stuff. As with south america and
other locales there are local preferences in a lot of foods, including
coffee.


>
> shall



  
Date: 25 Sep 2006 16:04:20
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On 25 Sep 2006 08:34:09 -0700, "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote:

>
>shall wrote:
>> On 24 Sep 2006 18:06:02 -0700, "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Frank103 wrote:
>> >> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>> >> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>> >> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>> >> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>> >
>> >Some of the so-called "raw" sugar that has some molasses adds a
>> >wonderful taste. It's not unusual at all to see sugar added to
>> >espresso at bars in Italy.
>>
>> I think it's nearly universal in Italy. But, they are drinking blends
>> with a lot of robusta, often roasted much more darkly than the best
>> U.S. blends.
>
>I'm sure there is dreck available in Italy, as there is here. But I
>don't think that the widespread use of sugar in espresso indicates that
>all italian espresso is bitter cheap stuff. As with south america and
>other locales there are local preferences in a lot of foods, including
>coffee.

I didn't mean to imply Italian coffee was bitter and cheap. Actually
I've enjoyed some American coffees with a bit of robusta (I'm thinking
the Dolce at Vivace in Seattle) and Malabar Gold. I was only saying
the Italian styles of espresso may go better with sugar.

shall


 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 08:25:13
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
"Frank103" <frank103@cox.net > wrote:

>I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>

Try this:

--Mocha Ice Cream Soup--
In a steaming vessel place:
- 1 tsp. sugar
- 1 Tbs of cocoa powder
- 4-6 ounces of milk
- double shot of espresso
[Vary all amounts to taste]
Stir a bit and then steam to stretch until pleasantly warm. Pour over
vanilla ice cream. Top with a dribble of chocolate syrup. Toasted
almond bits also are quite nice.
- Serves two.

Randy "made it again last week... yummm!" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com






 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 06:01:49
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

shall wrote:
> >The correct message is "have your coffee however you enjoy
> >it - there's no right or wrong way".
>
> That's an oversimplification. Of course, people are entitled to their
> preferences. But, the message also implies "Don't bother trying to
> make the best coffee you can, because you can always doctor it up with
> syrups and whipped cream, and 'I know that's how you like it.'" The
> same philosophy would say, "Don't bother learning how to grill a
> steak, 'cause you've always got a bottle of A-1 in the cupboard."
> "Don't bother learning more about music, art, or literature, because
> you already know what you like, and there is no sense learning to
> appreciate something better."

With respect, shall (and I truly do not wish this to the interpreted
as a flame), I would argue that it is your rejoinder that is
oversimplified. The fact that one prefers sugar in one's espresso
hardly implies that one is unconcerned about the quality of the
espresso, itself. To be sure, sugar can be used to make a nasty cup
drinkable but that by no means exhausts the possibilities. Used in
modest quantities, sugar is a flavor enhancer, not a mask, just as is
vanilla in other culinary contexts. The fact that many, perhaps most,
experienced espresso drinkers (including me!) prefer it black does not
imply indifference to quality or insensitivity to flavor subtleties on
the part of those who prefer to add a spoonful of sugar.

Will



  
Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:24:20
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On 25 Sep 2006 06:01:49 -0700, "Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com >
wrote:

>
>shall wrote:
>> >The correct message is "have your coffee however you enjoy
>> >it - there's no right or wrong way".
>>
>> That's an oversimplification. Of course, people are entitled to their
>> preferences. But, the message also implies "Don't bother trying to
>> make the best coffee you can, because you can always doctor it up with
>> syrups and whipped cream, and 'I know that's how you like it.'" The
>> same philosophy would say, "Don't bother learning how to grill a
>> steak, 'cause you've always got a bottle of A-1 in the cupboard."
>> "Don't bother learning more about music, art, or literature, because
>> you already know what you like, and there is no sense learning to
>> appreciate something better."
>
>With respect, shall (and I truly do not wish this to the interpreted
>as a flame), I would argue that it is your rejoinder that is
>oversimplified. The fact that one prefers sugar in one's espresso
>hardly implies that one is unconcerned about the quality of the
>espresso, itself. To be sure, sugar can be used to make a nasty cup
>drinkable but that by no means exhausts the possibilities. Used in
>modest quantities, sugar is a flavor enhancer, not a mask, just as is
>vanilla in other culinary contexts. The fact that many, perhaps most,
>experienced espresso drinkers (including me!) prefer it black does not
>imply indifference to quality or insensitivity to flavor subtleties on
>the part of those who prefer to add a spoonful of sugar.
>
>Will

All certainly true.

shall


 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:46:17
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
"Frank103" <frank103@cox.net > wrote in message
news:VICRg.6700$iA5.5324@dukeread11...
>I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>

Galliano sometimes.
Other times I have a shot over good vanilla icecream- an affogatto-
delicious!
If I pull a top shot however, I usually give it a taste straight away, &
wind up finishing it as it is, straight up.


--
"I won't go into binary counting here. For further information you can
search the Internet, or cut off all but one of your fingers."
-Roger Nichols




 
Date: 24 Sep 2006 19:42:22
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

Frank103 wrote:
> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.

Depends. Since more flavors is an equation within palatabilities
confectionery mindsets advertise and promote, I'd imagine the sky is
the limit. Whatever is agreeable to an overall connotionation
sensations derive, though. In otherwords:

[From the cassava root] - Try our scrump'dah-delicious, heavenly
flavored coffee with a hint of full-bodied richness uniquely derived
from regions where coffee is grown. A great way to finish a meal, or
compliment any of our fine dessert selections.

Other substances might include: Vietnamese - Bot Nep, arrow and
lotusroot, and water chestnut. Just a few starches to start - other
potential extractions are the nuts and fruits proper, such as natural
sucrose derivative of pomegranate.



 
Date: 24 Sep 2006 19:42:11
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

Frank103 wrote:
> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.

Depends. Since more flavors is an equation within palatabilities
confectionery mindsets advertise and promote, I'd imagine the sky is
the limit. Whatever is agreeable to an overall connotionation
sensations derive, though. In otherwords:

[From the cassava root] - Try our scrump'dah-delicious, heavenly
flavored coffee with a hint of full-bodied richness uniquely derived
from regions where coffee is grown. A great way to finish a meal, or
compliment any of our fine dessert selections.

Other substances might include: Vietnamese - Bot Nep, arrow and
lotusroot, and water chestnut. Just a few starches to start - other
potential extractions are the nuts and fruits proper, such as natural
sucrose derivative of pomegranate.



 
Date: 24 Sep 2006 19:41:17
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

Frank103 wrote:
> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.

Depends. Since more flavors is an equation within palatabilities
confectionery mindsets advertise and promote, I'd imagine the sky is
the limit. Whatever is agreeable to an overall connotionation
sensations derive, though. In otherwords:

[From the cassava root] - Try our scrump'dah-delicious, heavenly
flavored coffee with a hint of full-bodied richness uniquely derived
from regions where coffee is grown. A great way to finish a meal, or
compliment any of our fine dessert selections.

Other substances might include: Vietnamese - Bot Nep, arrow and
lotusroot, and water chestnut. Just a few starches to start - other
potential extractions are the nuts and fruits proper, such as natural
sucrose derivative of pomegranate.



 
Date: 24 Sep 2006 18:06:02
From: John S.
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?

Frank103 wrote:
> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.

Some of the so-called "raw" sugar that has some molasses adds a
wonderful taste. It's not unusual at all to see sugar added to
espresso at bars in Italy.



  
Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:47:35
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On 24 Sep 2006 18:06:02 -0700, "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote:

>
>Frank103 wrote:
>> I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>> drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>> I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>> else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>
>Some of the so-called "raw" sugar that has some molasses adds a
>wonderful taste. It's not unusual at all to see sugar added to
>espresso at bars in Italy.

I think it's nearly universal in Italy. But, they are drinking blends
with a lot of robusta, often roasted much more darkly than the best
U.S. blends.

shall


 
Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:28:08
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:25:05 -0700, "Frank103" <frank103@cox.net >
wrote:

>I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure most people add sugar. Nearly everyone does in Italy.

Personally, I think, if your espresso doesn't taste great straight,
there is something wrong your technique, your beans, your grinder, or
your machine (in order of probability). But, most people would
strongly disagree with me.

shall


  
Date: 24 Sep 2006 20:49:35
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
I think it's some kind of macho thing to have espresso without sugar among
the alt. coffee type crowd (who are just about the only native born
Americans who drink straight espresso to begin with) but the Italians, even
the hairy chested he-men , are very un-self conscious about spooning a lot
of sugar into their espresso and see nothing "wrong" with it. Maybe if the
message somehow got out to Americans that "it's OK to put sugar in it", more
straight espresso would get sold, because unsweetened straight espresso is
not the drink for a lot of people, even if it is perfectly prepared (which
it usually isn't). A teaspoon of sugar has only a few calories and makes a
rekable difference in the taste of a shot, especially if it is a nice raw
sugar with caramel notes. I realize it's kind of point of pride that "my
espresso is so good that it doesn't need sugar" but I think it sends the
wrong message. The correct message is "have your coffee however you enjoy
it - there's no right or wrong way".

There's a long tradition of adding spices to coffee - cinnamon, cardamom,
etc. I don't see many people putting cinnamon in straight espresso (more
common in cappuccinos) but whatever rings your bell.







"shall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:0f1eh21ljdb044i85c30g7gfs9qpma9mnp@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:25:05 -0700, "Frank103" <frank103@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>>drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>>I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>>else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>
> I'm pretty sure most people add sugar. Nearly everyone does in Italy.
>
> Personally, I think, if your espresso doesn't taste great straight,
> there is something wrong your technique, your beans, your grinder, or
> your machine (in order of probability). But, most people would
> strongly disagree with me.
>
> shall




   
Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:46:07
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:49:35 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>I think it's some kind of macho thing to have espresso without sugar among
>the alt. coffee type crowd (who are just about the only native born
>Americans who drink straight espresso to begin with) but the Italians, even
>the hairy chested he-men , are very un-self conscious about spooning a lot
>of sugar into their espresso and see nothing "wrong" with it.

The blends most of the alt.coffee types use in the U.S. are much
sweeter in the cup than the robusta-laden coffee made in Italy. If it
tastes good by itself, you lose all your machismo points for leaving
out the sugar.

I spend a lot of time with seriously committed coffee people in their
roasteries and espresso labs, and I've never once seen them reach for
a sugar bowl. That's not to say sugar is always bad. I remember Donald
Schoenholt specifically recommending a turbinado sugar and a bit of
milk for one of his coffees.

> Maybe if the
>message somehow got out to Americans that "it's OK to put sugar in it", more
>straight espresso would get sold, because unsweetened straight espresso is
>not the drink for a lot of people, even if it is perfectly prepared (which
>it usually isn't).

To the extent there is any message out there, it already is "put
anything you want in it." Considering the espresso served in 98% of
the shops in the U.S., you would have to be a masochist to drink it
straight. From what I have heard, Philadelphia is pretty much of an
espresso desert. But, if I lived out your way, I would make the trip
to Chestnut Hill to John Hornall's new place. I don't think you'd
suffer with his straight espresso.

>The correct message is "have your coffee however you enjoy
>it - there's no right or wrong way".

That's an oversimplification. Of course, people are entitled to their
preferences. But, the message also implies "Don't bother trying to
make the best coffee you can, because you can always doctor it up with
syrups and whipped cream, and 'I know that's how you like it.'" The
same philosophy would say, "Don't bother learning how to grill a
steak, 'cause you've always got a bottle of A-1 in the cupboard."
"Don't bother learning more about music, art, or literature, because
you already know what you like, and there is no sense learning to
appreciate something better."

shall


    
Date: 25 Sep 2006 09:51:55
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
Are you allowed to put salt and pepper on a steak at your house ?

I'll have to check out Chestnut Hill Coffee. I've been meaning to visit the
new Penzey's spice shop. I rarely get over to Chestnut Hill - it's just not
on my list of places I normally have reason to visit. Whenever I think of
the place I associate it with a long running ad campaign they had on
Philly's classical station (back when we HAD a classical station) - an
announcer with the most insufferable case of Locust Valley Lockjaw (think
Thurston Howell on Gilligan's Island) would urge you to visit the "beautiful
shops of Chestnut Hill" . In my mind, this meant that it was THE place to go
if I wanted a pair of green trousers with whales embroidered on them, but I
never needed any. Due to an oddity of the road system (and a river with few
bridges) even though it's maybe 6 miles from where I am as the crow flies,
it's more than double that by road and takes a good 1/2 hr. to drive there
with traffic. But I'll have to go there soon.



"shall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:49:35 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>I think it's some kind of macho thing to have espresso without sugar
>>among
>>the alt. coffee type crowd (who are just about the only native born
>>Americans who drink straight espresso to begin with) but the Italians,
>>even
>>the hairy chested he-men , are very un-self conscious about spooning a lot
>>of sugar into their espresso and see nothing "wrong" with it.
>
> The blends most of the alt.coffee types use in the U.S. are much
> sweeter in the cup than the robusta-laden coffee made in Italy. If it
> tastes good by itself, you lose all your machismo points for leaving
> out the sugar.
>
> I spend a lot of time with seriously committed coffee people in their
> roasteries and espresso labs, and I've never once seen them reach for
> a sugar bowl. That's not to say sugar is always bad. I remember Donald
> Schoenholt specifically recommending a turbinado sugar and a bit of
> milk for one of his coffees.
>
>> Maybe if the
>>message somehow got out to Americans that "it's OK to put sugar in it",
>>more
>>straight espresso would get sold, because unsweetened straight espresso is
>>not the drink for a lot of people, even if it is perfectly prepared (which
>>it usually isn't).
>
> To the extent there is any message out there, it already is "put
> anything you want in it." Considering the espresso served in 98% of
> the shops in the U.S., you would have to be a masochist to drink it
> straight. From what I have heard, Philadelphia is pretty much of an
> espresso desert. But, if I lived out your way, I would make the trip
> to Chestnut Hill to John Hornall's new place. I don't think you'd
> suffer with his straight espresso.
>
>>The correct message is "have your coffee however you enjoy
>>it - there's no right or wrong way".
>
> That's an oversimplification. Of course, people are entitled to their
> preferences. But, the message also implies "Don't bother trying to
> make the best coffee you can, because you can always doctor it up with
> syrups and whipped cream, and 'I know that's how you like it.'" The
> same philosophy would say, "Don't bother learning how to grill a
> steak, 'cause you've always got a bottle of A-1 in the cupboard."
> "Don't bother learning more about music, art, or literature, because
> you already know what you like, and there is no sense learning to
> appreciate something better."
>
> shall




     
Date: 25 Sep 2006 16:46:44
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:51:55 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>Are you allowed to put salt and pepper on a steak at your house ?

ONLY after the first bite, should you desire a second invitation.

"Cast not pearls before swine"


  
Date: 24 Sep 2006 16:22:58
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
shall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:25:05 -0700, "Frank103" <frank103@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>>drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>>I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>>else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>
>I'm pretty sure most people add sugar. Nearly everyone does in Italy.
>
>Personally, I think, if your espresso doesn't taste great straight,
>there is something wrong your technique, your beans, your grinder, or
>your machine (in order of probability). But, most people would
>strongly disagree with me.
>
>shall

Evidently I am not most people. ;-)

If done properly, espresso have a rich, deep, naturally sweet taste
with only a slight hint of bitterness if any. Sure, people's tastes
vary, but a straight espresso that makes you wince, pucker, or shudder
from it's taste is a bad espresso.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again:
"Add sugar because you want to- not because you have to."
-RG


Randy "ya, it tastes sweet- just ask her" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 24 Sep 2006 16:57:45
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: What do you put in your espresso?
I occasionally add a little Bailey's Irish Cream to my espresso, and I
frequently add some Ghiradelli powdered chocolate.

"Frank103" <frank103@cox.net > wrote in message
news:VICRg.6700$iA5.5324@dukeread11...
>I guess most people just drink their espresso straight. I've just started
>drinking espresso and I use a packet of sugar for a 2 ounce cup. Sometimes
>I'll combine sugar and cinnamon. I was wondering if anyone uses anything
>else in their espresso besides sugar or cinnamon. Thanks.
>