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Date: 28 Feb 2007 19:46:01
From: Kim
Subject: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
I have trouble getting this beauty because all I can see in eBay is 110V
model
and my territory's standard is 220V.

If I understand correctly, this is a bunch of metal with heating
coil+thermocouple.

Are the internal parts really different?

Is there anybody knows this?

Kevin

* Australian sellers do not willing to ship it overseas. :(






 
Date: 01 Mar 2007 15:58:48
From: anthony
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
This retailer in Australia ships overseas

http://www.coffeeco.com.au/Espressopage.html



 
Date: 01 Mar 2007 02:41:33
From: daveb
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
On 1, 5:32 am, "Kim" <hyeo...@hanafos.com > wrote:
> Thanx Dave :)
>
> * BTW, are you are dave713 at eBay. Right? I am still seeking for this. :(
>
> "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172744837.542292.142890@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 1, 5:01 am, "CrackAddict" <smp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > the pump in silvia does not care about the freq.
>
> > It does care about the voltage
>
> > as does the solenoid valve and the heater.
>
> > period.
>
> > Dave
> > 219
>
> > period.


Sorry, man. just cannot get them here. minimum orders are just too
large.

then there is the US$240.00 shipping. (post office won't take 'em --
too big)
Then there is the customs and fees at your end.

really bad.

dave
www.hitecehespresso.com



  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 20:00:38
From: Kim
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
Yeah, I understand.
Thanks for your attention.

Kevin


"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1172745693.763119.104810@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> On 1, 5:32 am, "Kim" <hyeo...@hanafos.com> wrote:




 
Date: 01 Mar 2007 02:27:17
From: daveb
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
On 1, 5:01 am, "CrackAddict" <smp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Not familiar with Miss S's internals, but if electronics are involved,
> the frequency (Hertz) of the supply is also different - 50Hz as
> compared to 60Hz in the US/Can/Mex/etc.
>
> I can assure you it is possible (with a little ingenuity) to use a
> 230/40V resistance-only appliance (like a Pavoni lever or an electric
> kettle) in the US, and I would assume with a suitable transformer the
> opposite is even easier. Mind you, 1000W transformers are not cheap.
>
> But watch for parts that are frequency sensitive. Chris (of Chris'
> Coffee) assured me it would be impossible to use an EU machine in the
> US - even on 220V supply (which most houses have) due to the frequency
> difference. If I can recall his words "You would not believe the sound
> an Ulka 50Hz pump makes when you run it at 60Hz".
>
> But imagine my surprise when I disassembled my EU Expobar and the Ulka
> read "230V 50/60Hz"!!! Perhaps they have upgraded over time.
>
> Anyway - read the label (ask the seller) on the machine and see if
> it's happy with 50Hz - the voltage part is easy enough.

the pump in silvia does not care about the freq.

It does care about the voltage

as does the solenoid valve and the heater.

period.

Dave
219

period.

the heater



  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 19:32:23
From: Kim
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
Thanx Dave :)

* BTW, are you are dave713 at eBay. Right? I am still seeking for this. :(

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1172744837.542292.142890@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> On 1, 5:01 am, "CrackAddict" <smp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the pump in silvia does not care about the freq.
>
> It does care about the voltage
>
> as does the solenoid valve and the heater.
>
> period.
>
> Dave
> 219
>
> period.
>
> the heater




 
Date: 01 Mar 2007 02:01:22
From: CrackAddict
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?

Not familiar with Miss S's internals, but if electronics are involved,
the frequency (Hertz) of the supply is also different - 50Hz as
compared to 60Hz in the US/Can/Mex/etc.

I can assure you it is possible (with a little ingenuity) to use a
230/40V resistance-only appliance (like a Pavoni lever or an electric
kettle) in the US, and I would assume with a suitable transformer the
opposite is even easier. Mind you, 1000W transformers are not cheap.

But watch for parts that are frequency sensitive. Chris (of Chris'
Coffee) assured me it would be impossible to use an EU machine in the
US - even on 220V supply (which most houses have) due to the frequency
difference. If I can recall his words "You would not believe the sound
an Ulka 50Hz pump makes when you run it at 60Hz".

But imagine my surprise when I disassembled my EU Expobar and the Ulka
read "230V 50/60Hz"!!! Perhaps they have upgraded over time.

Anyway - read the label (ask the seller) on the machine and see if
it's happy with 50Hz - the voltage part is easy enough.




  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 09:45:47
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
I have no idea what Chris was talking about. A Ulka at 60 hz sounds just
like an Ulka at 50hz but a little faster. It turns out that the 20%
difference in speed is not material for most motors/coils. The only time it
makes a real world difference is something like a synchronous clock, which
will obviously show the wrong time. The reason it says 50/60 hz is that
they use the identical device for both, 'cause there are no physical changes
to the pump needed to run on a different frequency. The speed/pressure will
be a little different but Ulkas create more pressure/pump more flow than is
needed anyway, with the excess bleeding off thru the expansion valve.




"CrackAddict" <smppix@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1172743282.247414.244850@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Not familiar with Miss S's internals, but if electronics are involved,
> the frequency (Hertz) of the supply is also different - 50Hz as
> compared to 60Hz in the US/Can/Mex/etc.
>
> I can assure you it is possible (with a little ingenuity) to use a
> 230/40V resistance-only appliance (like a Pavoni lever or an electric
> kettle) in the US, and I would assume with a suitable transformer the
> opposite is even easier. Mind you, 1000W transformers are not cheap.
>
> But watch for parts that are frequency sensitive. Chris (of Chris'
> Coffee) assured me it would be impossible to use an EU machine in the
> US - even on 220V supply (which most houses have) due to the frequency
> difference. If I can recall his words "You would not believe the sound
> an Ulka 50Hz pump makes when you run it at 60Hz".
>
> But imagine my surprise when I disassembled my EU Expobar and the Ulka
> read "230V 50/60Hz"!!! Perhaps they have upgraded over time.
>
> Anyway - read the label (ask the seller) on the machine and see if
> it's happy with 50Hz - the voltage part is easy enough.
>
>
>




  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 19:17:36
From: Kim
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
As far as any machine is NOT involved in AC motor(i.e. laundry
machine/refrigerator), frequency actually does not matter. Therefore Silvia
(or any other heater-boiler coffee machine) will not be affected by Hz.

What I am not sure is whether there are bunch of voltage-dependent exectric
components or not.
And some other people already answered about my question - YES.

Please forget this issue.

I would rather get it when I have a chance to visit HK in near future.

Kevin

"CrackAddict" <smppix@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 09:16:12
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
Of course the originals made in Italy for the home ket are 240V.

As Danny said, it's not really practical to convert a 120V machine to 240V -
too many expensive parts would have to be replaced. But you could get a
step down transformer with a suitable wattage rating and run it that way.

Really though its better to use a 240V Silvia - maybe one of our Australian
readers could hook you up if you sent them the $.

"Kim" <hyeon00@hanafos.com > wrote in message
news:es3mha$oc4$1@tnews.hananet.net...
>I have trouble getting this beauty because all I can see in eBay is 110V
>model
> and my territory's standard is 220V.
>
> If I understand correctly, this is a bunch of metal with heating
> coil+thermocouple.
>
> Are the internal parts really different?
>
> Is there anybody knows this?
>
> Kevin
>
> * Australian sellers do not willing to ship it overseas. :(
>
>




  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 16:31:58
From: Mr A Nonymous
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
240 / 220 it's all the same :)

> Of course the originals made in Italy for the home ket are 240V.
>
> As Danny said, it's not really practical to convert a 120V machine to
> 240V - too many expensive parts would have to be replaced. But you could
> get a step down transformer with a suitable wattage rating and run it that
> way.
>
> Really though its better to use a 240V Silvia - maybe one of our
> Australian readers could hook you up if you sent them the $.
>
> "Kim" <hyeon00@hanafos.com> wrote in message
> news:es3mha$oc4$1@tnews.hananet.net...
>>I have trouble getting this beauty because all I can see in eBay is 110V
>>model
>> and my territory's standard is 220V.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, this is a bunch of metal with heating
>> coil+thermocouple.
>>
>> Are the internal parts really different?
>>
>> Is there anybody knows this?
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> * Australian sellers do not willing to ship it overseas. :(
>>
>>
>
>




 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 13:44:52
From: Danny
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
Kim wrote:
> I have trouble getting this beauty because all I can see in eBay is 110V
> model
> and my territory's standard is 220V.
>
> If I understand correctly, this is a bunch of metal with heating
> coil+thermocouple.
>
> Are the internal parts really different?
>
> Is there anybody knows this?
>
> Kevin
>
> * Australian sellers do not willing to ship it overseas. :(
>
>

Kim, you haven't told us where you are?

In any event, there are many 220v Silvias around - the whole of
Europe, australasia, all use 220v.

110v parts that will differ mean that it isn't really practical to
convert - element (boiler), pump etc are all voltage dependent.

Silvia isn't that much different to the upper range Gaggia machines
(any model with the 3-way valve, although it isn't essential by any
means), and the Gaggia actually heats up quicker, so I'd also look at
those machines.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)



  
Date: 28 Feb 2007 23:08:31
From: Kim
Subject: Re: What exactly is the difference between 110V & 220V of Silvia?
Hi Danny,

Thanks for your kind advice.
Due to another friend's advice, I already looked through Australian eBay and
there is not many choices and most of them do not willing to ship it abroad
as I explained already.
I found a used one which can be shipped overseas and I am hesitating to get
this because it is a used one. :)
Well, I have a plan to visit Cannes/France in comming April, it would be
better to look for this there.
A'way, thanks for help.

Kevin

* Actually, I live in Seoul, South Korea. It is a real wonder that nobody
here is interested in this machine.

"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
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> Kim wrote:
>> I have trouble getting this beauty because all I can see in eBay is 110V
>> model and my territory's standard is 220V.