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Date: 11 Jan 2007 01:51:40
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Subject: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
brewing methods at the table!), but

what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
Black and Decker.




 
Date: 12 Jan 2007 10:23:14
From: arnie@avradionet.com
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?

Heat + Beans wrote:
> To my knowledge (all I know is what I read on the internet) only the
> Technivorm and the Newco have an SCAA approval. Note: this is an
> oft-repeated claim, that I'm simply passing along. The Technivorm is
> about half the price---My 40 oz plus 2 extra carafes got delivered
> right at $100.
>
> I don't drink much brewed coffee. All I can report is that it appears
> to be a robust unit; geeks have verified the temp; it's a good price
> and carried by a reputable commercial vendor; it's a very hot cup; I
> never heard of it either until a couple of weeks before I bought.
> tin
>
>
> Harry Moos wrote:
> > I seldom drink coffee in restaurants, never at church dinners. Tea is
> > safer. I try it once at private homes, but often decline after that. We
> > have a few friends that make good coffee, and a couple whose coffee is
> > absolutely undrinkable. OTOH, they don't like my coffee, either. One lady
> > uses an aluminum percolator and Folgers! Coffee snob? Absolutely.
> >
> > At home? Espresso in the morning if there is time for Silvia to heat. If
> > not, French press. And sometimes, when the mood strikes, I use the Cory
> > vacuum pot. Really good. For company, I use a Krups Pro-Aroma automatic
> > with a gold-tone filter. I have several other machines, but I prefer the
> > Krups. I think it is the pulsing spray that produces the taste I like.
> > It's probably called something else now, since mine is several years old.
> > It was in the $90 range when we bought it.
> >
> > I have always heard that the Technivorm [around $185-$200] makes the best
> > drip coffee. However, I've never seen one to have a chance to taste the
> > coffee. I have come close to ordering one several times, but I'm happy with
> > the Krups. Cusinart also makes a good one, but not the grind N brew. BTW,
> > I have a Black & Decker drill. I always thought they should have stayed in
> > the shop.
> >
> > <yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org> wrote in message
> > news:kaydnZcxyPgRcTjYnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@giganews.com...
> > > After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> > > afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> > > asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> > > brewing methods at the table!), but
> > >
> > > what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
> > > espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
> > > Black and Decker.

I contacted SCAA last week. They say that the only brewer they ever
put their stamp of approval on was the Technivorm. They also say the
claim from Newco is totally untrue. They say that it may pass their
test, but they have never tested one.



 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 22:03:38
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
Re: What line of coffee makers do you recommend?

Try the following:

"Brew here often?"

"If I told you that you had a nice portafilter handle, would you hold
it against me?"

"Is that a Reg Barber tamper in your pocket, or are you just glad to
see me?"

"Why don't I just call you 'Arabica' and take you home for a good
grinding?"

"It's still early.. Don't be such a drip."

Randy "I got all night" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 19:22:05
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
Yes, I reverse have it.
tin

Craig Andrews wrote:
> "Heat + Beans" <heatgunroast@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1168560949.128195.231060@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> > To my knowledge (all I know is what I read on the internet) only the
> > Technivorm and the Newco have an SCAA approval. Note: this is an
> > oft-repeated claim, that I'm simply passing along. The Technivorm is
> > about half the price---My 40 oz plus 2 extra carafes got delivered
> > right at $100.
> >
>
> You mean the NEWCO is 1/2 the price of the TV., you have it reversed..
> {;-)
> Craig.



 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 17:47:56
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?

yubanUsed2bg...@whathappened2Yuban.org wrote:
> After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> brewing methods at the table!), but
>
> what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
> espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
> Black and Decker.

B&D? Know someone unhappy with his Mr. Coffee that switched to B&D.
Last I read, B&D had come a long way up in qaulity control. Government
contracts and exacting specifications make for better hand-me-down
tools when not priced for Nikita, Dewalt or Robi. That all changed,
and B&D fall down? The 800 series doesn't look so bad: a) pause brew
function based on a preview taste sample, b) wire basket instead of
paper loaded up with bleached chlorine, c) steel carafe and a window to
watch the water color wash, I guess. Never did like stainless steel or
plastic. Glass is the only one I can't imagine tasting any after
effect. Porcelain be interesting to try. Better things I'd want would
be temperature control, convenient built-on grinder and timer if not a
whole lot more on the price, strength setting as a variant on water (or
just add less in the first place). Another thing I like about another
brewer, Italian though, is pulsed water dispersal. At periodic
intervals, water is brewed through the drip filter, not all at once.
Not sure there's any optimal effect the DeLonghi claims, but it did
well in a semi-dated NYT roundup dripper review. And, finally, here's
the B&D 800 series.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-TCM830-Stainless-Steel-Coffeemaker/dp/B0004FL8NO/sr=1-6/qid=1168565337/ref=sr_1_6/002-0103479-5955235?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen



 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 16:15:49
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
To my knowledge (all I know is what I read on the internet) only the
Technivorm and the Newco have an SCAA approval. Note: this is an
oft-repeated claim, that I'm simply passing along. The Technivorm is
about half the price---My 40 oz plus 2 extra carafes got delivered
right at $100.

I don't drink much brewed coffee. All I can report is that it appears
to be a robust unit; geeks have verified the temp; it's a good price
and carried by a reputable commercial vendor; it's a very hot cup; I
never heard of it either until a couple of weeks before I bought.
tin


Harry Moos wrote:
> I seldom drink coffee in restaurants, never at church dinners. Tea is
> safer. I try it once at private homes, but often decline after that. We
> have a few friends that make good coffee, and a couple whose coffee is
> absolutely undrinkable. OTOH, they don't like my coffee, either. One lady
> uses an aluminum percolator and Folgers! Coffee snob? Absolutely.
>
> At home? Espresso in the morning if there is time for Silvia to heat. If
> not, French press. And sometimes, when the mood strikes, I use the Cory
> vacuum pot. Really good. For company, I use a Krups Pro-Aroma automatic
> with a gold-tone filter. I have several other machines, but I prefer the
> Krups. I think it is the pulsing spray that produces the taste I like.
> It's probably called something else now, since mine is several years old.
> It was in the $90 range when we bought it.
>
> I have always heard that the Technivorm [around $185-$200] makes the best
> drip coffee. However, I've never seen one to have a chance to taste the
> coffee. I have come close to ordering one several times, but I'm happy with
> the Krups. Cusinart also makes a good one, but not the grind N brew. BTW,
> I have a Black & Decker drill. I always thought they should have stayed in
> the shop.
>
> <yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org> wrote in message
> news:kaydnZcxyPgRcTjYnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@giganews.com...
> > After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> > afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> > asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> > brewing methods at the table!), but
> >
> > what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
> > espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
> > Black and Decker.



  
Date: 11 Jan 2007 19:25:05
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?

"Heat + Beans" <heatgunroast@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1168560949.128195.231060@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> To my knowledge (all I know is what I read on the internet) only the
> Technivorm and the Newco have an SCAA approval. Note: this is an
> oft-repeated claim, that I'm simply passing along. The Technivorm is
> about half the price---My 40 oz plus 2 extra carafes got delivered
> right at $100.
>

You mean the NEWCO is 1/2 the price of the TV., you have it reversed..
{;-)
Craig.



 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 17:30:20
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
I seldom drink coffee in restaurants, never at church dinners. Tea is
safer. I try it once at private homes, but often decline after that. We
have a few friends that make good coffee, and a couple whose coffee is
absolutely undrinkable. OTOH, they don't like my coffee, either. One lady
uses an aluminum percolator and Folgers! Coffee snob? Absolutely.

At home? Espresso in the morning if there is time for Silvia to heat. If
not, French press. And sometimes, when the mood strikes, I use the Cory
vacuum pot. Really good. For company, I use a Krups Pro-Aroma automatic
with a gold-tone filter. I have several other machines, but I prefer the
Krups. I think it is the pulsing spray that produces the taste I like.
It's probably called something else now, since mine is several years old.
It was in the $90 range when we bought it.

I have always heard that the Technivorm [around $185-$200] makes the best
drip coffee. However, I've never seen one to have a chance to taste the
coffee. I have come close to ordering one several times, but I'm happy with
the Krups. Cusinart also makes a good one, but not the grind N brew. BTW,
I have a Black & Decker drill. I always thought they should have stayed in
the shop.

<yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org > wrote in message
news:kaydnZcxyPgRcTjYnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@giganews.com...
> After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> brewing methods at the table!), but
>
> what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
> espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
> Black and Decker.




 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 15:19:56
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org wrote:
> After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> brewing methods at the table!), but
>
> what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
> espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
> Black and Decker.

The requirements for quality brewed coffee are quite simple: 1. High
quality beans, properly roasted in the not to distant past, preferably
1-7 days. 2. Grind just before brewing. 3. Use relatively clean water.
4. Heat water to about 196 degrees F 5. Add to grounds for about
4 minutes, give or take. 6. Enjoy

That's all there is to it, the rest is just personal preference.

A variety of methods accomplish this well, such as the French Press or
even a simple pourover. However, if you want an automatic you have to
be careful about a few details. First, many of the cheap brewers run
the delivery tube from the heater on the bottom through the water
reservoir, thus guaranteeing that it will not be hot enough by the
time it hits the grounds. And second, the glass carafe and hotplate
makes sure that the brewed coffee will get burnt in about 20 minutes.

Thus, I would advise looking for a model that delivers appropriately
hot water, and uses a thermal carafe. I have used a Capresso for a
number of year, but there are a variety of others. Check out the
reviews on coffeegeek.com, and look especially for the temperature of
the water.

Also, the best thing you can do to improve your coffee is to grind
just before brewing. You don't need a $200 espresso grinder, a $20
"whirly blade" will do. However, spending a bit more for a simple
burr grinder will be worth it. If you don't do this, it will not be
worth it to buy quality beans. Buy ground coffee is sort of like
buying wine or beer from an open bottle.


 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 11:23:51
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
I purchased a Newco Brewer
http://newcocoffee.com/brewers/series_ocs.html

through a group buy at the Green Coffee Buying Club
http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php

Decent-looking plastic w/out bells and whistles; but reportedly brews
at or close to 200 f.
I got the pour-over, 40 oz version plus 2 extra thermal carafes (BTW,
these are very efficient). The brew cycle is quick, and with a total of
120 oz brewed (some caf, some decaf), I can handle quite a large crowd.


tin


yubanUsed2bg...@whathappened2Yuban.org wrote:
> After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> brewing methods at the table!), but
>
> what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
> espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
> Black and Decker.



 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 17:49:50
From: Mathew Hargreaves
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
Then you want one that heats the water to about 200 degrees for
extraction. It has been noted here that a lot of them made of plastic
heat to a lower temp so they do not melt the coffee maker. Technivorm is
expensive but is made of metal and brewes at the right temp.

CHEERS...Mathew

yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org wrote:
>
> After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> brewing methods at the table!), but
>
> what line of drip coffeemakers do you recommend? I'm not looking as
> espresso but just plain coffeemakers. Krups, Braun? I'm sure it's not
> Black and Decker.


  
Date: 11 Jan 2007 15:32:56
From: Dave S
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
Are you sure?
The tube that feeds the heated water to the sprinkler head is clear
plastic. I haven't disassembled further than that; don't have a Torx
screwdriver.

Dave S.

Mathew Hargreaves wrote:
> It has been noted here that a lot of them made of plastic
> heat to a lower temp so they do not melt the coffee maker. Technivorm is
> expensive but is made of metal and brewes at the right temp.


 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 07:59:38
From: JN
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?

shall wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:51:40 -0600,
> yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org wrote:
>
> >After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
> >afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
> >asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
> >brewing methods at the table!), ...
>
> We have much better manners than that. When offered coffee at a
> banquet, we politely ask for tea.
>
> shall

As long as it doesn't come from a tea bag - or orange juice but only
"not from concentrate". Or fresh-squeezed lemonade (you get the
picture).



 
Date: 11 Jan 2007 15:43:07
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:51:40 -0600,
yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org wrote:

>After the response to my previous thread about perked coffee, I'm almost
>afraid to ask this question (some of you must be wild at weddings when
>asked if you want a cup of coffee, and start extrapolating on the various
>brewing methods at the table!), ...

We have much better manners than that. When offered coffee at a
banquet, we politely ask for tea.

shall


  
Date: 11 Jan 2007 15:16:15
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: What line of coffeemakers do you recommend?

In every independent test I've see over the past fifteen or so years, the two
brands you mention -- Krups and Braun -- have always been rated tops for brewing
temperature. I've had both, presently using a Krups with thermal carafe.

I'd say pick any model from either manufacturer which uses a cone filter and
meets your other preferences (volume, type of carafe, etc.)

However, I do find that even with the thermal carafe, the flavor shifts after
twenty minutes or so to undrinkable. 8;)

-- Larry