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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:24:50
From: Godzilla
Subject: When all is wrong = good
My shots on the PID Silvia have been pretty good lately, but a little
bitter. Today, I experimented by first turning the PID temp down from
229.5 to 228.0 (the original setting.) Perhaps I have been taking Dr.
Johns (Malabar Gold) instructions too literally when he called for a
higher extraction temperature for his blend.

Using the naked portafilter, it started blonding quite early, so I
stopped at only 18 seconds. And, it tasted MARVELOUS!

As the King of Siam said: It is a puzzlement.

Godzilla




 
Date: 11 Sep 2007 05:58:57
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: When all is wrong = good
On Sep 10, 5:50 pm, Godzilla <godzi...@monsters.org > wrote:
> lockjaw wrote:
> > On Sep 9, 3:24 pm, Godzilla <godzi...@monsters.org> wrote:
> >> My shots on the PID Silvia have been pretty good lately, but a
> >> little bitter. Today, I experimented by first turning the PID temp
> >> down from 229.5 to 228.0 (the original setting.) Perhaps I have
> >> been taking Dr. Johns (Malabar Gold) instructions too literally
> >> when he called for a higher extraction temperature for his blend.
>
> >> Using the naked portafilter, it started blonding quite early, so I
> >> stopped at only 18 seconds. And, it tasted MARVELOUS!
>
> >> As the King of Siam said: It is a puzzlement.
>
> >> Godzilla
>
> > G:
>
> > IMO, 228 is WAY way too high.
>
> > I use 219 / 220 on my silv.
>
> > Dave
>
> >www.hitechespresso.com
>
> You may have given me a clue for further experimentation, Dave.
> Now, I see myself pulling the next seven or eight shots at declining
> 1 degree F intervals and evaluating the result each time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Godzilla

Very good, G.

in a totally NON scientific taste test here at our "Hitech 'labs":

( My wife, and my part-time employee were fed Black Cat shots made at
219 rather than 223)

Without prompting, both remarked: "what did you do? this is MUCH
better"

making 228 or any other number as the standard it absurd.
The flavor of the coffee going into the
cup is the final arbiter.

dave

www.hitechespresso.com




  
Date: 11 Sep 2007 16:03:40
From: Steve
Subject: Re: When all is wrong = good
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:58:57 -0000, lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com >
wrote:

>The flavor of the coffee going into the
> cup is the final arbiter.

Is English your primary language?


  
Date: 11 Sep 2007 10:18:45
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: When all is wrong = good

"lockjaw" <davebobbl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189490337.493430.33860@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 10, 5:50 pm, Godzilla <godzi...@monsters.org> wrote:
>> lockjaw wrote:
>> > On Sep 9, 3:24 pm, Godzilla <godzi...@monsters.org> wrote:
>> >> My shots on the PID Silvia have been pretty good lately, but a
>> >> little bitter. Today, I experimented by first turning the PID temp
>> >> down from 229.5 to 228.0 (the original setting.) Perhaps I have
>> >> been taking Dr. Johns (Malabar Gold) instructions too literally
>> >> when he called for a higher extraction temperature for his blend.
>>
>> >> Using the naked portafilter, it started blonding quite early, so I
>> >> stopped at only 18 seconds. And, it tasted MARVELOUS!
>>
>> >> As the King of Siam said: It is a puzzlement.
>>
>> >> Godzilla
>>
>> > G:
>>
>> > IMO, 228 is WAY way too high.
>>
>> > I use 219 / 220 on my silv.
>>
>> > Dave
>>
>> >www.hitechespresso.com
>>
>> You may have given me a clue for further experimentation, Dave.
>> Now, I see myself pulling the next seven or eight shots at declining
>> 1 degree F intervals and evaluating the result each time.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Godzilla
>
> Very good, G.
>
> in a totally NON scientific taste test here at our "Hitech 'labs":
>
> ( My wife, and my part-time employee were fed Black Cat shots made at
> 219 rather than 223)
>
> Without prompting, both remarked: "what did you do? this is MUCH
> better"
>
> making 228 or any other number as the standard it absurd.
> The flavor of the coffee going into the
> cup is the final arbiter.
>
> dave
>
> www.hitechespresso.com
>
>

I've met the Intelligentsia Canadian rep Brad Ford & his 2 baristas at last
years Hostex 2006 show in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Black Cat likes to be
pulled pretty cool @ 199.5F & 8.2 bar, & that was on their La Spaz 2.
So on my Silvia, B.C. with that approx 25F PID boiler offset that will
arrive at a
brew temp of 224F (PID boiler setting) - 25 = 199F brew temp & @ 9 bars.

Yeah, taste is all that matters!
Craig.



 
Date: 10 Sep 2007 21:38:46
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: When all is wrong = good
On Sep 9, 3:24 pm, Godzilla <godzi...@monsters.org > wrote:
> My shots on the PID Silvia have been pretty good lately, but a little
> bitter. Today, I experimented by first turning the PID temp down from
> 229.5 to 228.0 (the original setting.) Perhaps I have been taking Dr.
> Johns (Malabar Gold) instructions too literally when he called for a
> higher extraction temperature for his blend.
>
> Using the naked portafilter, it started blonding quite early, so I
> stopped at only 18 seconds. And, it tasted MARVELOUS!
>
> As the King of Siam said: It is a puzzlement.
>
> Godzilla


G:

IMO, 228 is WAY way too high.

I use 219 / 220 on my silv.

Dave

www.hitechespresso.com



  
Date: 10 Sep 2007 16:50:20
From: Godzilla
Subject: Re: When all is wrong = good
lockjaw wrote:

> On Sep 9, 3:24 pm, Godzilla <godzi...@monsters.org> wrote:
>> My shots on the PID Silvia have been pretty good lately, but a
>> little bitter. Today, I experimented by first turning the PID temp
>> down from 229.5 to 228.0 (the original setting.) Perhaps I have
>> been taking Dr. Johns (Malabar Gold) instructions too literally
>> when he called for a higher extraction temperature for his blend.
>>
>> Using the naked portafilter, it started blonding quite early, so I
>> stopped at only 18 seconds. And, it tasted MARVELOUS!
>>
>> As the King of Siam said: It is a puzzlement.
>>
>> Godzilla
>
>
> G:
>
> IMO, 228 is WAY way too high.
>
> I use 219 / 220 on my silv.
>
> Dave
>
> www.hitechespresso.com

You may have given me a clue for further experimentation, Dave.
Now, I see myself pulling the next seven or eight shots at declining
1 degree F intervals and evaluating the result each time.

Thanks,

Godzilla


  
Date: 10 Sep 2007 17:44:54
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: When all is wrong = good

"lockjaw" <davebobbl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189460326.733242.184460@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 3:24 pm, Godzilla <godzi...@monsters.org> wrote:
>> My shots on the PID Silvia have been pretty good lately, but a little
>> bitter. Today, I experimented by first turning the PID temp down from
>> 229.5 to 228.0 (the original setting.) Perhaps I have been taking Dr.
>> Johns (Malabar Gold) instructions too literally when he called for a
>> higher extraction temperature for his blend.
>>
>> Using the naked portafilter, it started blonding quite early, so I
>> stopped at only 18 seconds. And, it tasted MARVELOUS!
>>
>> As the King of Siam said: It is a puzzlement.
>>
>> Godzilla
>
>
> G:
>
> IMO, 228 is WAY way too high.
>
> I use 219 / 220 on my silv.
>
> Dave
>

It also depends if you have the newer model Rancilio Miss Silvia, or the
older version. Mine is from May 2001. {:-)
Craig.



 
Date: 09 Sep 2007 15:44:15
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: When all is wrong = good

"Godzilla" <godzilla@monsters.org > wrote in message
news:617fd$46e44881$cf9b1316$24183@ALLTEL.NET...
> My shots on the PID Silvia have been pretty good lately, but a little
> bitter. Today, I experimented by first turning the PID temp down from
> 229.5 to 228.0 (the original setting.) Perhaps I have been taking Dr.
> Johns (Malabar Gold) instructions too literally when he called for a
> higher extraction temperature for his blend.
>
> Using the naked portafilter, it started blonding quite early, so I
> stopped at only 18 seconds. And, it tasted MARVELOUS!
>
> As the King of Siam said: It is a puzzlement.
>
> Godzilla

I have a Jim Gallt Watlow 965A PID kit. The kit came preconfigured/autotuned
for a boiler temp of 228F.The PID boiler offset is approx 25F to arrive at a
brew temp of 228 - 25 = 203F, a little low for his MG. Dr. John's spec for
brewing is 9 bar @ 205 - 209F.
But hey, if it's workin' for ya..
Craig.