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Date: 02 Mar 2007 19:32:54
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Subject: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
I am looking for a source to purchase White Choclate Mocha Espresso
Beans in NYC/Metro area including Manhattan and on the Internet. Can
someone recommend a good place to purchase.

Thanks.

sha





 
Date: 03 Mar 2007 14:10:33
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
On 3, 12:45 pm, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net > wrote:
> Too much of a fine point. Except for Tom the botanist, everyone else on
> earth considers the Timor crosses to be arabicas. The chromosomes don't
> lie. They may not be the highest quality or best tasting arabicas but they
> are not robustas.

Lost the link, but looked over coffee genetics from a Brazilian paper
(30% robusta production within prior practices of blended North
American exports) -- recall 8-27% foreign substances across Colombian
arabica cross strains, Timor being a notable variant from robusta.
Disease resilience appears to be the priy consideration, with taste
accounted accordingly a secondary or neutral consideration for ongoing
development. Export-grade blended Colombian is from one of three
coffee regions producing a higher quality bean, which is in turn
blended by law with the other two regions. Any thing else,
presumably, is sold for specialty graded coffee - as fine as fine
arabica entails - except for not being characteristic of extreme,
maybe a wild quality in arabica origins.



 
Date: 03 Mar 2007 08:55:52
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
On 3, 10:03 am, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net > wrote:
> "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1172933264.900673.165980@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > For fancy coffee beans, instead, just pour your favorite flavoring
> > syrup into a cup of coffee drawn from better bean. These are Colombian
> > robusta,
>
> There's no such thing - it's illegal to plant robusta in Colombia. The
> Colombian crop is 100% arabica. Some is low grade, but its all arabica.

Looking over a travel trip log on Sweetia's to the Columbia Center
for Coffee Research, there are several Arabustavar-type pictures he
prods about -- among Timor trees ... " they are clearly Robusta. It is
true that Colombia Variety was tested for a rekable number of
generations before releasing it, but the fact remains, while it has
the chromosome count of an arabica, it does have robusta in it's
genome. . . .I know a robusta when I see one!" :)

http://www.sweetias.com/Colombia2005-page3.html

Another reference I noticed interestingly cites Columbian for as fine
as fine will taste, although not for as extreme a taste as Arabicas
are given to range.



  
Date: 03 Mar 2007 12:45:26
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
Too much of a fine point. Except for Tom the botanist, everyone else on
earth considers the Timor crosses to be arabicas. The chromosomes don't
lie. They may not be the highest quality or best tasting arabicas but they
are not robustas.


"Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote in message
news:1172940952.866226.256550@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> On 3, 10:03 am, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1172933264.900673.165980@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > For fancy coffee beans, instead, just pour your favorite flavoring
>> > syrup into a cup of coffee drawn from better bean. These are Colombian
>> > robusta,
>>
>> There's no such thing - it's illegal to plant robusta in Colombia. The
>> Colombian crop is 100% arabica. Some is low grade, but its all arabica.
>
> Looking over a travel trip log on Sweetia's to the Columbia Center
> for Coffee Research, there are several Arabustavar-type pictures he
> prods about -- among Timor trees ... " they are clearly Robusta. It is
> true that Colombia Variety was tested for a rekable number of
> generations before releasing it, but the fact remains, while it has
> the chromosome count of an arabica, it does have robusta in it's
> genome. . . .I know a robusta when I see one!" :)
>
> http://www.sweetias.com/Colombia2005-page3.html
>
> Another reference I noticed interestingly cites Columbian for as fine
> as fine will taste, although not for as extreme a taste as Arabicas
> are given to range.
>




 
Date: 03 Mar 2007 06:47:45
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
On 2, 10:32 pm, girlyg...@lbobbo.com wrote:
> I am looking for a source to purchase White Choclate Mocha Espresso
> Beans in NYC/Metro area including Manhattan and on the Internet. Can
> someone recommend a good place to purchase.
>
> Thanks.
>
> sha


For fancy coffee beans, instead, just pour your favorite flavoring
syrup into a cup of coffee drawn from better bean. These are Colombian
robusta, and aren't near as distinguished, say, as pure Kona estate
grade at $20 lb. However, since your price is half of Kona, at a
quarter or less on commercial bulk Colombian surcharge, twice more
over on Kona or Jamaician Blue Mountain, at an entry bottle of syrup
additive, shouldn't hide the additional value for taste you'll derive
on compounding future mixes.

http://beancentral.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id//products_id/1190



  
Date: 03 Mar 2007 10:03:41
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet

"Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote in message
news:1172933264.900673.165980@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>
> For fancy coffee beans, instead, just pour your favorite flavoring
> syrup into a cup of coffee drawn from better bean. These are Colombian
> robusta,

There's no such thing - it's illegal to plant robusta in Colombia. The
Colombian crop is 100% arabica. Some is low grade, but its all arabica.




   
Date: 03 Mar 2007 19:45:39
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet

"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:IO2dnfS-MpXQE3TYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net> wrote in message
> news:1172933264.900673.165980@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>
>> For fancy coffee beans, instead, just pour your favorite flavoring
>> syrup into a cup of coffee drawn from better bean. These are Colombian
>> robusta,
>
> There's no such thing - it's illegal to plant robusta in Colombia. The
> Colombian crop is 100% arabica. Some is low grade, but its all arabica.

That's like saying there's no cocaine in Colombia because it's illegal to
plant coca in Colombia.
Is there also no opium in Afghanistan? or ijuana in California?

--
Alan



    
Date: 03 Mar 2007 16:33:45
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
*alan* wrote:
> "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:IO2dnfS-MpXQE3TYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net> wrote in message
>> news:1172933264.900673.165980@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>
>>> For fancy coffee beans, instead, just pour your favorite flavoring
>>> syrup into a cup of coffee drawn from better bean. These are
>>> Colombian robusta,
>>
>> There's no such thing - it's illegal to plant robusta in Colombia.
>> The Colombian crop is 100% arabica. Some is low grade, but its all
>> arabica.
>
> That's like saying there's no cocaine in Colombia because it's
> illegal to plant coca in Colombia.
> Is there also no opium in Afghanistan? or ijuana in California?

So exactly how much profit _is_ there in smuggling illegal robusta out
of Colombia?

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)




     
Date: 03 Mar 2007 14:44:53
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet

"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net > wrote in message
news:escr5t05j4@news2.newsguy.com...
> *alan* wrote:
>> "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:IO2dnfS-MpXQE3TYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1172933264.900673.165980@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For fancy coffee beans, instead, just pour your favorite flavoring
>>>> syrup into a cup of coffee drawn from better bean. These are
>>>> Colombian robusta,
>>>
>>> There's no such thing - it's illegal to plant robusta in Colombia.
>>> The Colombian crop is 100% arabica. Some is low grade, but its all
>>> arabica.
>>
>> That's like saying there's no cocaine in Colombia because it's
>> illegal to plant coca in Colombia.
>> Is there also no opium in Afghanistan? or ijuana in California?
>
> So exactly how much profit _is_ there in smuggling illegal robusta out
> of Colombia?

sort of missed the point, did you?



      
Date: 03 Mar 2007 23:20:32
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
>sort of missed the point, did you?

No, you did. Colombia doesn't grow robusta for 3 reasons:

1) There's no money in it
2) It would dilute the quality of the "brand", reducing overall prices and
profits (see (1)).
3) It's illegal. For the reason for that, see (2).

Your counter examples are all both illegal and incredibly profitable.


--
Alan

alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au




       
Date: 03 Mar 2007 23:57:27
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet

"Coffee for Connoisseurs" <alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au > wrote in message
news:4pnGh.6610$8U4.3638@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >sort of missed the point, did you?
>
> No, you did. Colombia doesn't grow robusta for 3 reasons:
>
> 1) There's no money in it
> 2) It would dilute the quality of the "brand", reducing overall prices and
> profits (see (1)).
> 3) It's illegal. For the reason for that, see (2).
>
> Your counter examples are all both illegal and incredibly profitable.

The point was that a poster said robusta was not grown in colombia because
it was illegal. There may well be OTHER reasons (which you've provided) for
it not being grown there, but the other poster offered only illegality as
the reason.

My point was that just because something is illegal does not mean it doesn't
happen. That was the point. My counter-examples had nothing at all to do
with degree of profit.
I merely pointed out the fallacy of his argument. Period.

I actually have absolutely no idea of what kind of coffee they do or do not
grow in Colombia, but your economic explanation for not growing robusta
there is much more reasonable and plausible than the notion that its
illegality alone prevents its propagation.

--
Alan



 
Date: 02 Mar 2007 22:52:23
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: White Choclate Mocha Espresso Beans in NYC and on the Internet
There is no good place to purchase a double abomination like that. "White
choc(o)late" isn't even chocolate. Once my wife bought some kind of horrid
flavored beans like that and it melted the bin on my grinder - whatever they
use as the flavor carrier is also a plastic solvent. Ughh. Stick with coffee
flavored coffee - it's the lastest thing. I didn't know the NY metro area
included the internet.


<girlygirl@lbobbo.com > wrote in message
news:1172892774.400454.165770@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I am looking for a source to purchase White Choclate Mocha Espresso
> Beans in NYC/Metro area including Manhattan and on the Internet. Can
> someone recommend a good place to purchase.
>
> Thanks.
>
> sha
>