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Date: 26 Jan 2007 14:07:21
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Subject: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
quantity?

Thanks




 
Date: 02 Feb 2007 18:01:38
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Feb 2, 1:21 pm, "shane" <shane.ol...@juno.com > wrote:
> There are other reasons for ordering green and home roasting besides
> taste, priily economic.
>
> Some of us do not live in an area where buying roasted beans locally
> from a quality microroaster, who can roast decant espresso beans, is
> an option.
>
> For whatever reason the couple of local roasters near me roast their
> espresso dark. Also they only sell at superkets, so it is well
> nigh impossible to know how fresh the beans are.
>
> I can mail-order, but the shipping is a killer. I don't use the
> roasted stuff fast enough to order it in quantity.
>
> My personal opinion is that a good roaster can produce better beans
> than I can roast myself. As I do not live near a roaster, where I
> could just pop in an order a half of a pound at a time. I order green
> and roast it myself. Usually Liquid Amber. Occasionally, as a
> treat, I will mail order beans. So far the mail order roasted stuff
> is better than I roast at home. My home roast is better that I can get
> locally.

Drinking some Zaire AA I did yesterday. Few oz. little roast. Went a
little too dark and some hints of ashen colors I don't like.
Reroasted a lot more this morning with care to color. I've also a
5lb. boatload of frozen Kenya AA preroasted mail order, and like this
Zaire better. I agree - I won't get a rich sierra red consistantly
across all the bean skins. I'd need a better roaster for that, work
into roasts slower, more latitude for time control, and be able to
push the heat up when needed to get the beans done and out.

Still, better than local is an understatement. Better than pro-
roasted, no way. I'm ugly by comparison. Worse -tasting- than pro-
roasted -- hey, not that much. What's left... blending origins and
going darker. Dark espresso in a sense reminds me of Johnie Walker
Black Scotch (haven't tried Blue and Gold limited editions). But this
ain't scotch I'm drinking (or brandy). Fresh roasted green beans have
a lot going for them. Take a pretty old bottle of cognac to convince
me otherwise.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2007 10:21:57
From: shane
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
There are other reasons for ordering green and home roasting besides
taste, priily economic.

Some of us do not live in an area where buying roasted beans locally
from a quality microroaster, who can roast decant espresso beans, is
an option.

For whatever reason the couple of local roasters near me roast their
espresso dark. Also they only sell at superkets, so it is well
nigh impossible to know how fresh the beans are.

I can mail-order, but the shipping is a killer. I don't use the
roasted stuff fast enough to order it in quantity.

My personal opinion is that a good roaster can produce better beans
than I can roast myself. As I do not live near a roaster, where I
could just pop in an order a half of a pound at a time. I order green
and roast it myself. Usually Liquid Amber. Occasionally, as a
treat, I will mail order beans. So far the mail order roasted stuff
is better than I roast at home. My home roast is better that I can get
locally.

Shane

On Jan 29, 12:50 pm, NoMailAddr...@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
> Outstanding! With this post you have totally destroyed The Roast
> Delusion. As the OP I was only interested in beans that could be
> purchased from companies such as IntelligentsiA, etc. But, and I
> should have expected the noise level to soon degrade, the "Roasters"
> quickly piped in with their arguments.
>
> Frankly, I find those arguing for home-roasting tantamount to those
> in the religious community who are never satisfied enough with their
> own conclusions while repeatedly feeling the urge, indeed the need to
> convince others of their newfound wisdom.
>
> I also wonder how many of them could tell the difference if they were
> presented with a blind-test. Of course many will argue they could,
> but if that were true they would be gamely employed by one of the
> leading coffee houses. Dare I suspect not!
>
> Note: Tomorrow I'll be heading to IntelligentsiaA (Chicago) to get
> some great beans. I can hardly wait...
>
> On 26 Jan 2007 15:18:52 -0800, "ramboori...@gmail.com"
>
>
>
> <ramboori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >OK, I'll be the first to respond who doesn't roast his own, which I'm
> >guessing is what the OP was looking for. I've tried a few, but seem to
> >stick with Black Cat from Intellegencia in Chicago. I just seem to get
> >more consistently good results with this roast than with any other I've
> >tried. I've heard its more forgiving than some other blends and I
> >probably need that with my relatively modest setup and skills. I buy it
> >direct from them weekly. 2-3 pounds per week, depending on who's around
> >the house. With just my wife and I, we could probably get by with 1 1/2
> >or so. With my daughter here, 2 +, with both daughters, 3. It's
> >expensive, but it's always fresh and good and I suspect I'd spend more
> >if I tried getting into roasting and I seriously doubt I'd come up with
> >anything even nearly as good.
>
> >-Ray
>
> >On Jan 26, 3:07 pm, NoMailAddr...@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
> >> Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
> >> quantity?
>
> >> Thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




 
Date: 29 Jan 2007 15:54:24
From: TrailRun
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?


On Jan 26, 3:07 pm, NoMailAddr...@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
> Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
> quantity?
>
> Thanks

Wow, I think I know what you are asking, good question.



  
Date: 29 Jan 2007 20:00:10
From:
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
You wouldn't know the difference.

Just another useless comment. Perhaps you ought to consider laying
off the coffee for awhile. And, btw, try the packaged beans from now
on; it seems you've managed to get a little too close to the roaster.

On 29 Jan 2007 15:54:24 -0800, "TrailRun" <ws17trailrun@gmail.com >
wrote:

>
>
>On Jan 26, 3:07 pm, NoMailAddr...@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
>> Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
>> quantity?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>Wow, I think I know what you are asking, good question.


   
Date: 31 Jan 2007 22:28:06
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Dude- the rehab and anger management education sessions isn't working
for you. Contact the court and get reassigned, or talk to the MD about
your medication levels...

HRRDL
Randy "Home Roasters for Realistic Drug Laws" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com



NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
>
>You wouldn't know the difference.
>
>Just another useless comment. Perhaps you ought to consider laying
>off the coffee for awhile. And, btw, try the packaged beans from now
>on; it seems you've managed to get a little too close to the roaster.
>
>On 29 Jan 2007 15:54:24 -0800, "TrailRun" <ws17trailrun@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>On Jan 26, 3:07 pm, NoMailAddr...@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
>>> Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
>>> quantity?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>Wow, I think I know what you are asking, good question.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2007 09:45:04
From: Paul Allen
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
I've got about the best possible supply of beans.

A friend purchased a used San Franciscan 1lb Sampling Roaster:
http://www.coffeeper.com/SF-1LB.html
It is installed in what would be a spare bedroom with natural gas plumbed in and
is vented through a wood-stove flue/chimney.

Hey buys sacks of Sweet ias Liquid Amber blend:
http://www.sweetias.com/coffee.other.blends.html#liquidamber

He roasts for himself and several other people, including me. I usually get two
12oz foil bags every week and a half or so. (He roasts two batches of 14oz of green.)

The roasted Liquid Amber is a great match for my Solis SL90 and Solis Maestro. I
routinely make better lattes (and shots) than I can get anywhere in town.

For all you home roasters who buy from Sweet ias, give the Liquid Amber (my
wife and I call it Liquid Crack) a try. I know the roasting profile is very
important to the finished results, so YMMV.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2007 06:42:36
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Looked it over, too. Seems a bit much between the 50lb. Roaster's lot
for duplicating programme profiles at a fraction of that. Too much
outlay needed for a quantity even at an advanced design concept
promoted at the forefront of home roasting. Reminds me of when I'd
build boatloads of upgraded computers for fun, and initial reactions
to select components when I'd sell them. What, no rangehood to
exhaust fumes (provided one of the larger units would fit)? Garage or
outdoor also doesn't appeal, either, though I do nicely under stovetop
range fans. Definately will stink up a house like the business end of
a skunk. Figured less than a couple hours for a week's worth. But
that's pushing it without profiles and standards from some of the
shops you mention -- not exactly in the same league or fair to draw
comparisons. But, then, even at half-rate, I don't mind cooking bread
three or four times weekly, saving coffee for Sunday morning. I see
it for a little care exercised within comparison charts, roast colors
and appearances, tolerance for a lighter taste of origins. Roasts I'd
think easier, apart from accentuating select espresso for sugary
caramel blends and darker take on their origins. If that's what
you're after, I'd suspect you already know well a good deal within an
allowance for taste. Much enjoyed, but I've still aways before lush
floral bouquets or the fruited woodlands.

On Jan 28, 7:03 pm, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com >
wrote:
>
>I've read up a bit on
> roasting again. Just doesn't appeal. Even a large batch home roaster
> like the hot top only makes a half pound at a time. A double session
> looks like it would take an hour to an hour and a half, a process I'd
> have to repeat two to three times per week. I don't have anywhere to
> set up such a device indoors, so it would be on our back deck. Where
> I'd freeze my butt off in the winter and roast myself along with the
> coffee in the summer. Also, I'd likely do this during the week during
> the day when nobody else was around and when I'd otherwise be working.
> At a billing rate of $75 an hour, I'd rather spend $12 for that pound
> of coffee rather than spend that much time on it.
>
> If it sounded like a lot of fun to me, none of that would matter - I
> certainly have other hobbies that are a time and money sink. But it
> doesn't sound like much fun to me to be honest. So I'll stick to
> having good coffee shipped to me on the day of roast and hang the
> expense.
>
> -Ray



 
Date: 28 Jan 2007 16:03:46
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Jan 27, 7:31 pm, "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net > wrote:

> Economics isn't an impediment to roast, just an incentive. Better
> yet, why not inducement, or, who really cares, just so long as Rambo
> realizes -his chances are better- for significantly less than
> continuing buying preroast.

After all of the talk of the economies involved, I've read up a bit on
roasting again. Just doesn't appeal. Even a large batch home roaster
like the hot top only makes a half pound at a time. A double session
looks like it would take an hour to an hour and a half, a process I'd
have to repeat two to three times per week. I don't have anywhere to
set up such a device indoors, so it would be on our back deck. Where
I'd freeze my butt off in the winter and roast myself along with the
coffee in the summer. Also, I'd likely do this during the week during
the day when nobody else was around and when I'd otherwise be working.
At a billing rate of $75 an hour, I'd rather spend $12 for that pound
of coffee rather than spend that much time on it.

If it sounded like a lot of fun to me, none of that would matter - I
certainly have other hobbies that are a time and money sink. But it
doesn't sound like much fun to me to be honest. So I'll stick to
having good coffee shipped to me on the day of roast and hang the
expense.

-Ray



  
Date: 28 Jan 2007 21:49:44
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
good point(s) Ray.

there are many healthier, sociable hobbies -- Like bicycling, for example!

dave


<ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1170029026.091165.320560@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 27, 7:31 pm, "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote:
>
>> Economics isn't an impediment to roast, just an incentive. Better
>> yet, why not inducement, or, who really cares, just so long as Rambo
>> realizes -his chances are better- for significantly less than
>> continuing buying preroast.
>
> After all of the talk of the economies involved, I've read up a bit on
> roasting again. Just doesn't appeal. Even a large batch home roaster
> like the hot top only makes a half pound at a time. A double session
> looks like it would take an hour to an hour and a half, a process I'd
> have to repeat two to three times per week. I don't have anywhere to
> set up such a device indoors, so it would be on our back deck. Where
> I'd freeze my butt off in the winter and roast myself along with the
> coffee in the summer. Also, I'd likely do this during the week during
> the day when nobody else was around and when I'd otherwise be working.
> At a billing rate of $75 an hour, I'd rather spend $12 for that pound
> of coffee rather than spend that much time on it.
>
> If it sounded like a lot of fun to me, none of that would matter - I
> certainly have other hobbies that are a time and money sink. But it
> doesn't sound like much fun to me to be honest. So I'll stick to
> having good coffee shipped to me on the day of roast and hang the
> expense.
>
> -Ray
>




 
Date: 27 Jan 2007 16:31:25
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?


On Jan 27, 11:23 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> Most beans at SM are around $5/lb vice your $10. And that holds true at
> most other greens sellers that I've looked at.
>
> If you hold your orders to 12 lbs of coffee each, then 'hold for Harvey'
> shipping is a flat $9. So even including shipping, most of their
> coffees come in at less than $6/lb. Shipping varies at others. One
> even has a flat $5 shipping on all orders, regardless of size.
> That said, economics isn't the reason to roast. Variety to me is the
> biggest reason. Right now I have about a dozen different green coffees
> at my beck and call to roast to whatever level I want them to be. I can
> even mix 'n match a few to come up with very tasty blends (of course, I
> can also do that and make a very sucky blend too! )
>
> And while the Gene and Hottop are very good roasters (I own a Gene), the
> Nesco (formerly Zach & Dani) roaster is excellent also, although it only
> does a 5 oz roast vice the 8 oz of the Gene and Hottop.

Economics isn't an impediment to roast, just an incentive. Better
yet, why not inducement, or, who really cares, just so long as Rambo
realizes -his chances are better- for significantly less than
continuing buying preroast. That's what I'm betting on. He'll have
something additionally to show for the money. A top-line roaster is in
order. Impress the women of the manor with drinks of outlandish
proportions. Progressive keting. Get him on the roasting ramp
first. It's all about confidence. Knock on that parochial door, and
when he opens it what you say is - "[ HiYa, there !! ] Yes, Rambo, I
can make one cat's meow of a cup of espresso. I'm so glad I have the
best roaster money can buy. And, you too, Rambo - you can have all of
that, if you'll only consider buying into high end now. What you'll
be setting aside is just a yearly fraction of your present consumption
outlay. What you'll getting back is so much more." A few basic
constructs on the bean blends will suffice. Work with what's there.
Nevermind adding that bit about coming up with something sickly, or
last year's discontinued models. Don't be a gearfreak. Establish
quality results first and accepted standards. Anything not part of the
keting team is a problem. Positive, positive, focus, and then pump
it up. If Rambo barfs first time up, don't sweat it, we'll get him
back on track later.



 
Date: 27 Jan 2007 08:01:47
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Great - getting through earlier, when nailed w/ a power outage sans a
UPS. Back to looking at ia's $500 offerings, HotTop and Gene
Cafe. Half-pound machines, nice gear, real nice looking, at 20min.
roughly over cycles. Going to be over an hour for a couple pounds
roast. Oh-well factor - whether that's conceivable. Considering the
machine descriptions, though, blows away squirrel cages, like having
fun w/ a chimed, valved shall or Bassman, rather than something
along a Fender Chorus. More umph and class. Math's easy - $40wkly
rounded to an easy $50 at $2.4Kyrly outlay. Offset for lower
measures on green beans. Say, half, or a even two-thirds what you pay
- pushing that at $15. Bumped down, $10 ought to be realistic. At
least I'd think reputable bulk green beans for a $10 range ought to be
tasty enough to challenge preroast. Any Kona or select Arabicas
especially appeal . . O.K. Third of $2.4K is the strike price.
Simple enough, a good, optimistic year then pays for near both
machines with $800 by bulk ordering in and roasting at $10 green,
instead of $15 preroast. Sounds sweet to me that way, anyway.

www.sweetias.com/prod.hottop.shtml <other's > genecafe.shtml

On Jan 27, 7:58 am, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com >
wrote:
>
> > Just another venture variable set for another take.Well, yeah, there's THAT.
>
> I'm typically spending between $27 and $40 per week (usually closer to
> the lower end), not $50. And, I'm sure I COULD theoretically roast my
> own for less money over time. Could and would are different though,
> and I know myself well enough to know that anything I get into like
> that is going to cost waaaay MORE for long enough to push that break
> even date well out into the future. By which time I'll surely be ready
> to upgrade to an even better roaster, etc, etc, etc. And while I'm
> sure I could learn to roast well enough, I doubt I'd ever get as good
> as the best commercial stuff and certainly no better. Which would be
> fine for milk drinks, but maybe not for shots, which usually I do well
> enough to enjoy for a good percentage of my drinks. And, oh yeah,
> roasting would require another level of obsession that I really don't
> need right now :)
>
> And tin, I play guitar too, pretty badly and really badly compared
> to the best LA has to offer, but well enough to enjoy. If I thought
> roasting would bring me anything like the same amount of enjoyment,
> I'd do it. But it doesn't sound particularly appealing to me, so I'm
> not there.
>
> -Ray



  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 10:23:40
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Most beans at SM are around $5/lb vice your $10. And that holds true at
most other greens sellers that I've looked at.

If you hold your orders to 12 lbs of coffee each, then 'hold for Harvey'
shipping is a flat $9. So even including shipping, most of their
coffees come in at less than $6/lb. Shipping varies at others. One
even has a flat $5 shipping on all orders, regardless of size.

That said, economics isn't the reason to roast. Variety to me is the
biggest reason. Right now I have about a dozen different green coffees
at my beck and call to roast to whatever level I want them to be. I can
even mix 'n match a few to come up with very tasty blends (of course, I
can also do that and make a very sucky blend too! )

And while the Gene and Hottop are very good roasters (I own a Gene), the
Nesco (formerly Zach & Dani) roaster is excellent also, although it only
does a 5 oz roast vice the 8 oz of the Gene and Hottop.


In article <1169913707.675097.187230@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:

> Great - getting through earlier, when nailed w/ a power outage sans a
> UPS. Back to looking at ia's $500 offerings, HotTop and Gene
> Cafe. Half-pound machines, nice gear, real nice looking, at 20min.
> roughly over cycles. Going to be over an hour for a couple pounds
> roast. Oh-well factor - whether that's conceivable. Considering the
> machine descriptions, though, blows away squirrel cages, like having
> fun w/ a chimed, valved shall or Bassman, rather than something
> along a Fender Chorus. More umph and class. Math's easy - $40wkly
> rounded to an easy $50 at $2.4Kyrly outlay. Offset for lower
> measures on green beans. Say, half, or a even two-thirds what you pay
> - pushing that at $15. Bumped down, $10 ought to be realistic. At
> least I'd think reputable bulk green beans for a $10 range ought to be
> tasty enough to challenge preroast. Any Kona or select Arabicas
> especially appeal . . O.K. Third of $2.4K is the strike price.
> Simple enough, a good, optimistic year then pays for near both
> machines with $800 by bulk ordering in and roasting at $10 green,
> instead of $15 preroast. Sounds sweet to me that way, anyway.
>
> www.sweetias.com/prod.hottop.shtml <other's> genecafe.shtml
>
> On Jan 27, 7:58 am, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Just another venture variable set for another take.Well, yeah, there's
> > > THAT.
> >
> > I'm typically spending between $27 and $40 per week (usually closer to
> > the lower end), not $50. And, I'm sure I COULD theoretically roast my
> > own for less money over time. Could and would are different though,
> > and I know myself well enough to know that anything I get into like
> > that is going to cost waaaay MORE for long enough to push that break
> > even date well out into the future. By which time I'll surely be ready
> > to upgrade to an even better roaster, etc, etc, etc. And while I'm
> > sure I could learn to roast well enough, I doubt I'd ever get as good
> > as the best commercial stuff and certainly no better. Which would be
> > fine for milk drinks, but maybe not for shots, which usually I do well
> > enough to enjoy for a good percentage of my drinks. And, oh yeah,
> > roasting would require another level of obsession that I really don't
> > need right now :)
> >
> > And tin, I play guitar too, pretty badly and really badly compared
> > to the best LA has to offer, but well enough to enjoy. If I thought
> > roasting would bring me anything like the same amount of enjoyment,
> > I'd do it. But it doesn't sound particularly appealing to me, so I'm
> > not there.
> >
> > -Ray


 
Date: 27 Jan 2007 04:58:03
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Jan 26, 9:34 pm, "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net > wrote:

> A dollar cost decision averaged process. You've got resources,
> comparisons withal to make them, and followed the conclusions for a
> judgement. How much more money do you have to spend to amplify a
> perception of what already is experienced. A ramp, at some point, for
> an higher rate of increased outlay on resources to exceed for some
> ginal determination as taste perception. Hornall, Intelligencia, and
> others, provide the ramp, and the Rocky & machine provide a comparison
> baseline. I buy at $5 shipped locally 12lbs. over $3.30-3.90lb. from
> selections of green bulk in 2lb. increments without tax (they must've
> missed taxing my order). Conjecture says $12-$18 for your preroast
> would roughly equate 3lbs. and some to my 12lbs., for a 400% return
> less over respective outlays. Discount my roast time at a premium for
> 1/2lb. over 30min on an $80 roaster as an acceptable weekly consumption
> bases. The assumption is convenient to say preparation is at par (had
> I the same Rocky/Silvia), so a balance then exists at some point
> between coffee that tastes ostensibly four-times better than mine, or
> going nuts roasting 600% for four more than my present consumption with
> squirrel-cage contraptions. A classic risk-on-return analogy, except
> what may be suspect among rationale factoring psychological
> motivations. What if, instead, at an outlay and means present for
> either Rocky/Silvia, at, in additon, to a $400-500 roaster is accounted
> viable to the instrument works. What I'd wonder is can, or when at
> some point, will an increased roaster productivity from the investment
> on a quality roaster be perceived as convenient to surmounting present
> preroast costs, @$50 weekly, should, of course, the roaster then
> present itself as an instrument capable to exceed a 'hobby aspect' at
> cost savings advantage suitable to qualify taste moreover acceptably.
>
> Just another venture variable set for another take.

Well, yeah, there's THAT.

I'm typically spending between $27 and $40 per week (usually closer to
the lower end), not $50. And, I'm sure I COULD theoretically roast my
own for less money over time. Could and would are different though,
and I know myself well enough to know that anything I get into like
that is going to cost waaaay MORE for long enough to push that break
even date well out into the future. By which time I'll surely be ready
to upgrade to an even better roaster, etc, etc, etc. And while I'm
sure I could learn to roast well enough, I doubt I'd ever get as good
as the best commercial stuff and certainly no better. Which would be
fine for milk drinks, but maybe not for shots, which usually I do well
enough to enjoy for a good percentage of my drinks. And, oh yeah,
roasting would require another level of obsession that I really don't
need right now :)

And tin, I play guitar too, pretty badly and really badly compared
to the best LA has to offer, but well enough to enjoy. If I thought
roasting would bring me anything like the same amount of enjoyment,
I'd do it. But it doesn't sound particularly appealing to me, so I'm
not there.

-Ray



 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 20:59:29
From:
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
smug, unsmug, and now moron.
Barely a respectable amount of insults for an altie thread.
--and this without participation from some of the heavy hitters.

This deserves watching.
tin


On Jan 26, 8:10 pm, Barry Jarrett <b...@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:24:06 GMT, Harry Ipema <i...@teeitup.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The guy asks a serious question and the morons come out of the
> >woodwork; so predictable!!
> >
>
> i'm sorry, i thought my answer was a serious answer to the questions
> asked.
>
> it's not my fault if he asked the wrong questions.



  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 06:25:31
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On 26 Jan 2007 20:59:29 -0800, coffeeemail@gmail.com wrote:

>smug, unsmug, and now moron.
>Barely a respectable amount of insults for an altie thread.


you seem to be doing well enough, boyyo.



   
Date: 26 Jan 2007 22:46:50
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
arry Jarrett <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>On 26 Jan 2007 20:59:29 -0800, coffeeemail@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >smug, unsmug, and now moron.
> >Barely a respectable amount of insults for an altie thread.
>
>
>you seem to be doing well enough, boyyo.
>
No kidding... Rarely does a thread decay so quickly with so little
participation by me. ;-)

The OP barely gave enough information for us to identify it as a
coffee thread.. What was being asked? Do they want green? Roasted? A
favorite country of origin? Blends? Single origins? And what does it
matter what WE use? It is, quite literally, a matter of personal
taste, so what real value is the answer set?

And what _IS_ the respectable amount of insults for an altie thread,
anyway? If coffeeemail can't quantify his reks, what value do they
hold in this or any other thread? We need specific goals! ;-P~


ACTIR = Alt Coffee Thread Insult Ratio
__ __


    
Date: 27 Jan 2007 12:21:02
From: Harry Ipema
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
More self-rightess delusion. It is not the "OP" that's at fault --
it's the responses that added no value to the newsgroup as a whole.
Fine, you roast your beans. I'm sure he's happy for you but
more-than-likely he is not interested in that. And that point was
recognized by the MORE SERIOUS RESPONSES.

But you do deserve some congrats; you managed to have you five minutes
of fame that will live for a long time in the archives of USENET.


On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:46:50 -0800, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>arry Jarrett <barry@rileys-coffee.com> wrote:
>
>>On 26 Jan 2007 20:59:29 -0800, coffeeemail@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >smug, unsmug, and now moron.
>> >Barely a respectable amount of insults for an altie thread.
>>
>>
>>you seem to be doing well enough, boyyo.
>>
>No kidding... Rarely does a thread decay so quickly with so little
>participation by me. ;-)
>
>The OP barely gave enough information for us to identify it as a
>coffee thread.. What was being asked? Do they want green? Roasted? A
>favorite country of origin? Blends? Single origins? And what does it
>matter what WE use? It is, quite literally, a matter of personal
>taste, so what real value is the answer set?
>
>And what _IS_ the respectable amount of insults for an altie thread,
>anyway? If coffeeemail can't quantify his reks, what value do they
>hold in this or any other thread? We need specific goals! ;-P~
>
>
>ACTIR = Alt Coffee Thread Insult Ratio
> __ __
>


     
Date: 27 Jan 2007 19:29:45
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:21:02 GMT, Harry Ipema <ipema@teeitup.com >
wrote:

>More self-rightess delusion. It is not the "OP" that's at fault --
>it's the responses that added no value to the newsgroup as a whole.
>Fine, you roast your beans. I'm sure he's happy for you but
>more-than-likely he is not interested in that.

i don't know, he might be interested, considering that i'm a
roaster/retailer and would be more than happy to sell him my beans. my
apologies if you expected that i should tell falsehoods and say that i
use intelligentsia or metropolis or counter culture or terrior or
supreme bean or roasterie or PT's or any number of other roaster's
beans when making espresso.

as for the five minutes of usenet fame... well, that was up sometime
back in '92.



      
Date: 29 Jan 2007 19:05:18
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?

as a follow-on to the original question, it might be interesting to
find out what coffee the various homeroasters or pro roasters would
use if they couldn't roast their own.... like, say, your heavily
modified poppery II suddenly crapped out, or your diedrich happened to
be in storage for a month...

in my case, last spring, when i ran out of coffee at home after
closing the store, i started using redline espresso from metropolis
coffee in chicago.



       
Date: 29 Jan 2007 16:45:06
From: North Sullivan
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:05:18 GMT, Barry Jarrett
<barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>
>as a follow-on to the original question, it might be interesting to
>find out what coffee the various homeroasters or pro roasters would
>use if they couldn't roast their own.... like, say, your heavily
>modified poppery II suddenly crapped out, or your diedrich happened to
>be in storage for a month...
>
>in my case, last spring, when i ran out of coffee at home after
>closing the store, i started using redline espresso from metropolis
>coffee in chicago.

Unroasted, it would be either Malabar Gold or Decatur Street Blend,
completed on my bbq gas grill set-up. Roasted, it would probably be
Black Cat, which a customer brought back from Chicago for me.

I'm amazed that my diedrich keeps on ticking; I'm very grateful to
have it.

North Sullivan






        
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Date: 26 Jan 2007 20:46:47
From: Bob Wilson
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
<NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com > wrote:

> Do you have a preference?
Smithfarms, green Kona.

>Where do you purchase?
I used their web page to order.

>Do you buy in quantity?
10 lbs every 18 months.

Bob Wilson



 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 18:34:35
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?


On Jan 26, 6:58 pm, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 26, 6:34 pm, RoqueJa <no-email.com@> wrote:
>
> > That is so unsmug. You come here often?I check in from time to time. I'm working on the smugness and, if I get
> good enough at pulling shots, it'll come :)
>
> I'm after good espresso and I figure making it myself is the only way
> to get it on a regular basis. So I bought a Silvia/Rocky and I do well
> enough to please myself and family. I can't get it as good commercially
> nearby - Hornall's shop is a 45 minute drive and the nearby coffee
> houses are not as good as I am. So DIY is in the interest of the best
> end-product. But in terms of the bean, I can get the best result by
> buying from a specialist. Hornall and his baristas can make me a better
> shot than I can make myself, but it's not practical to buy from him on
> a regular basis. Intelligencia can roast a better blend than I could
> and it IS practical to buy from them on a regular basis. So I'm doing
> what I have to in order to get the best result in the cup. If I was in
> it strictly for the hobby aspects, I'm sure I'd be roasting my own by
> now.

A dollar cost decision averaged process. You've got resources,
comparisons withal to make them, and followed the conclusions for a
judgement. How much more money do you have to spend to amplify a
perception of what already is experienced. A ramp, at some point, for
an higher rate of increased outlay on resources to exceed for some
ginal determination as taste perception. Hornall, Intelligencia, and
others, provide the ramp, and the Rocky & machine provide a comparison
baseline. I buy at $5 shipped locally 12lbs. over $3.30-3.90lb. from
selections of green bulk in 2lb. increments without tax (they must've
missed taxing my order). Conjecture says $12-$18 for your preroast
would roughly equate 3lbs. and some to my 12lbs., for a 400% return
less over respective outlays. Discount my roast time at a premium for
1/2lb. over 30min on an $80 roaster as an acceptable weekly consumption
bases. The assumption is convenient to say preparation is at par (had
I the same Rocky/Silvia), so a balance then exists at some point
between coffee that tastes ostensibly four-times better than mine, or
going nuts roasting 600% for four more than my present consumption with
squirrel-cage contraptions. A classic risk-on-return analogy, except
what may be suspect among rationale factoring psychological
motivations. What if, instead, at an outlay and means present for
either Rocky/Silvia, at, in additon, to a $400-500 roaster is accounted
viable to the instrument works. What I'd wonder is can, or when at
some point, will an increased roaster productivity from the investment
on a quality roaster be perceived as convenient to surmounting present
preroast costs, @$50 weekly, should, of course, the roaster then
present itself as an instrument capable to exceed a 'hobby aspect' at
cost savings advantage suitable to qualify taste moreover acceptably.

Just another venture variable set for another take.



 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 17:35:30
From:
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Can't say if this is smug or unsmug (neither seems very flattering),
but I'll admit to the "end product" being only a very close second to
my first priority which is to roast my own. "Convenience" probably
tips the balance in favor of homeroast, but I could probably get myself
into an ordering routine where over time I would drink nothing but
Intelligencia, Supreme Bean, Riley's or whatever or all.

I also play the guitar even though there are several people in Los
Angeles who are better than me.

tin


On Jan 26, 3:58 pm, "ramboori...@gmail.com" <ramboori...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 26, 6:34 pm, RoqueJa <no-email.com@> wrote:
>
> > That is so unsmug. You come here often?I check in from time to time. I'm working on the smugness and, if I get
> good enough at pulling shots, it'll come :)
>
> I'm after good espresso and I figure making it myself is the only way
> to get it on a regular basis. So I bought a Silvia/Rocky and I do well
> enough to please myself and family. I can't get it as good commercially
> nearby - Hornall's shop is a 45 minute drive and the nearby coffee
> houses are not as good as I am. So DIY is in the interest of the best
> end-product. But in terms of the bean, I can get the best result by
> buying from a specialist. Hornall and his baristas can make me a better
> shot than I can make myself, but it's not practical to buy from him on
> a regular basis. Intelligencia can roast a better blend than I could
> and it IS practical to buy from them on a regular basis. So I'm doing
> what I have to in order to get the best result in the cup. If I was in
> it strictly for the hobby aspects, I'm sure I'd be roasting my own by
> now.
>
> -Ray



 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 16:26:21
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Jan 26, 7:17 pm, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<r...@letterectomyTELUS.net > wrote:
> If I could buy truly fresh roasted from some of my favourites very
> conveniently, I'd quit home roasting. Since I can't, home roasting is a
> very good option. However, if Barry sold freshly-roasted DSB in my
> local shopping centre . . . .

I'm having it shipped, which should be possible for anyone in the
continental US. It ships the same day its roasted, de-gasses during the
two days of shipping, and I get a Wednesday roast on Friday afternoon,
ready to brew. The shipping definitely adds to the cost, so you have to
drink a LOT to lower the per pound cost of shipping :)

-Ray



  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 00:56:47
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On 26 Jan 2007 16:26:21 -0800, "ramboorider@gmail.com"
<ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 26, 7:17 pm, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
><r...@letterectomyTELUS.net> wrote:
>> If I could buy truly fresh roasted from some of my favourites very
>> conveniently, I'd quit home roasting. Since I can't, home roasting is a
>> very good option. However, if Barry sold freshly-roasted DSB in my
>> local shopping centre . . . .
>
>I'm having it shipped, which should be possible for anyone in the
>continental US. It ships the same day its roasted, de-gasses during the
>two days of shipping, and I get a Wednesday roast on Friday afternoon,
>ready to brew. The shipping definitely adds to the cost, so you have to
>drink a LOT to lower the per pound cost of shipping :)
>
>-Ray

Barry isn't charging for shipping these days. Anyone who doesn't take
him up on this offer should seek professional care.
http://www.rileys-coffee.com/

shall


  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 00:42:52
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
In article <1169857581.075671.80730@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
ramboorider@gmail.com says...
> On Jan 26, 7:17 pm, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
> <r...@letterectomyTELUS.net> wrote:
> > If I could buy truly fresh roasted from some of my favourites very
> > conveniently, I'd quit home roasting. Since I can't, home roasting is a
> > very good option. However, if Barry sold freshly-roasted DSB in my
> > local shopping centre . . . .
>
> I'm having it shipped, which should be possible for anyone in the
> continental US. It ships the same day its roasted, de-gasses during the
> two days of shipping, and I get a Wednesday roast on Friday afternoon,
> ready to brew. The shipping definitely adds to the cost, so you have to
> drink a LOT to lower the per pound cost of shipping :)
>
The cost of express shipping to Canada makes it prohibitively(1)
expensive here.

Rick

(1) Naturally this depends on how much one is willing to pay.



   
Date: 27 Jan 2007 01:28:10
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:42:52 GMT, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<rickk@letterectomyTELUS.net > wrote:

>The cost of express shipping to Canada makes it prohibitively(1)
>expensive here.
>

global priority mail.

iirc, it'd be $7 for 2lbs to canada.



    
Date: 28 Jan 2007 17:49:48
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
In article <dialr2psl89ss5ubide4dkn01j7696uc1n@4ax.com >, barry@rileys-
coffee.com says...
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:42:52 GMT, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
> <rickk@letterectomyTELUS.net> wrote:
>
> >The cost of express shipping to Canada makes it prohibitively(1)
> >expensive here.
> >
>
> global priority mail.
>
> iirc, it'd be $7 for 2lbs to canada.
>
OK if you use 2 lb before it stales, but I go through only a lb. of
green per week. 2 lb. of roasted would last me ~ 18 days. That would
make it ~ 10+ days out of the roaster for the last ~ 10 days. No matter
who roasts it, once it's 10+ days out of the roaster, it can't beat
decent fresh home roast.

Rick


 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 15:58:33
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Jan 26, 6:34 pm, RoqueJa <no-email.com@ > wrote:
> That is so unsmug. You come here often?

I check in from time to time. I'm working on the smugness and, if I get
good enough at pulling shots, it'll come :)

I'm after good espresso and I figure making it myself is the only way
to get it on a regular basis. So I bought a Silvia/Rocky and I do well
enough to please myself and family. I can't get it as good commercially
nearby - Hornall's shop is a 45 minute drive and the nearby coffee
houses are not as good as I am. So DIY is in the interest of the best
end-product. But in terms of the bean, I can get the best result by
buying from a specialist. Hornall and his baristas can make me a better
shot than I can make myself, but it's not practical to buy from him on
a regular basis. Intelligencia can roast a better blend than I could
and it IS practical to buy from them on a regular basis. So I'm doing
what I have to in order to get the best result in the cup. If I was in
it strictly for the hobby aspects, I'm sure I'd be roasting my own by
now.

-Ray



 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 15:18:52
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
OK, I'll be the first to respond who doesn't roast his own, which I'm
guessing is what the OP was looking for. I've tried a few, but seem to
stick with Black Cat from Intellegencia in Chicago. I just seem to get
more consistently good results with this roast than with any other I've
tried. I've heard its more forgiving than some other blends and I
probably need that with my relatively modest setup and skills. I buy it
direct from them weekly. 2-3 pounds per week, depending on who's around
the house. With just my wife and I, we could probably get by with 1 1/2
or so. With my daughter here, 2 +, with both daughters, 3. It's
expensive, but it's always fresh and good and I suspect I'd spend more
if I tried getting into roasting and I seriously doubt I'd come up with
anything even nearly as good.

-Ray

On Jan 26, 3:07 pm, NoMailAddr...@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
> Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
> quantity?
>
> Thanks



  
Date: 29 Jan 2007 18:50:57
From:
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Outstanding! With this post you have totally destroyed The Roast
Delusion. As the OP I was only interested in beans that could be
purchased from companies such as IntelligentsiA, etc. But, and I
should have expected the noise level to soon degrade, the "Roasters"
quickly piped in with their arguments.

Frankly, I find those arguing for home-roasting tantamount to those
in the religious community who are never satisfied enough with their
own conclusions while repeatedly feeling the urge, indeed the need to
convince others of their newfound wisdom.

I also wonder how many of them could tell the difference if they were
presented with a blind-test. Of course many will argue they could,
but if that were true they would be gamely employed by one of the
leading coffee houses. Dare I suspect not!

Note: Tomorrow I'll be heading to IntelligentsiaA (Chicago) to get
some great beans. I can hardly wait...

On 26 Jan 2007 15:18:52 -0800, "ramboorider@gmail.com"
<ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote:

>OK, I'll be the first to respond who doesn't roast his own, which I'm
>guessing is what the OP was looking for. I've tried a few, but seem to
>stick with Black Cat from Intellegencia in Chicago. I just seem to get
>more consistently good results with this roast than with any other I've
>tried. I've heard its more forgiving than some other blends and I
>probably need that with my relatively modest setup and skills. I buy it
>direct from them weekly. 2-3 pounds per week, depending on who's around
>the house. With just my wife and I, we could probably get by with 1 1/2
>or so. With my daughter here, 2 +, with both daughters, 3. It's
>expensive, but it's always fresh and good and I suspect I'd spend more
>if I tried getting into roasting and I seriously doubt I'd come up with
>anything even nearly as good.
>
>-Ray
>
>On Jan 26, 3:07 pm, NoMailAddr...@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
>> Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
>> quantity?
>>
>> Thanks


   
Date: 31 Jan 2007 21:11:40
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com wrote:

There are those here (and in other such forums) where the regulars
will look at such a vague post, see that it is from someone who is
posting anon (without even a first name in the sig) and tend to not
always take them too seriously. Your original question may have even
been viewed as a troll since you began it in such a vague manner. IMO,
that is what prompted the first part of semi-humorous responses
(including my own)...

>Outstanding! With this post you have totally destroyed The Roast
>Delusion.
>
"If it wasn't for delusions, I wouldn't have no reality at all...."

>As the OP I was only interested in beans that could be
>purchased from companies such as IntelligentsiA, etc.
>
Saying that you were looking to order ___roasted___ coffee would have
REALLY helped from the start, no?

The entirety with which you started this thread (and then waited quite
some time to respond) was:
-------------------
Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
quantity?
-------------------

You asked for "Beans..." Not roasted, Not green, but just "beans." And
for the most part that's what you got for a response... beans.

>But, and I
>should have expected the noise level to soon degrade, the "Roasters"
>quickly piped in with their arguments.
>
The noise level actually improved as things went along.

When folks don't post answers that fulfill your wishes they are
arguments? Hmmm...

> Frankly, I find those arguing for home-roasting tantamount to those
>in the religious community who are never satisfied enough with their
>own conclusions while repeatedly feeling the urge, indeed the need to
>convince others of their newfound wisdom.
>
Speaking of religious, what a dogmatic response from you. Who are you
to say that the people who roast at home shouldn't like the coffee
they create better than that which they can order online, or that they
are wrong for thinking that their coffee is better? Plenty of people
prefer the dark, oily, over-roasted fare that is sold at so many
nationally famous chain coffee stores. Does that mean that these
over-roasted, often stale beans are superior to any home roast?

And why would our opinion matter at all? Maybe telling us what beans
you have used in the past and how your taste preferences run might
have helped. Something like, "I had ___ from __ and liked that. Is
there anything like that available?" Taste is, after all, subjective-
virtually by definition!

>I also wonder how many of them could tell the difference if they were
>presented with a blind-test. Of course many will argue they could,
>but if that were true they would be gamely employed by one of the
>leading coffee houses. Dare I suspect not!
>
So if we extrapolate, anyone who can tell a good cut of beef from
mediocre should be working at a steak house? Maybe they just like a
good cut of beef. I dare say that I have watched a few barristas in
local shops, and I make better espresso than every one of them. And,
no, I do not work in a coffee shop nor do I have the desire to do so.

And as far as taste tests, OF COURSE they can tell the difference. If
you can't tell the difference, just go down to the grocery store and
get a can of Folger's and save the time and trouble.

Read up on PID'd machines. It is a universal truth that even new
adopters of that technology can taste a difference of two degrees (or
less) in brew temperature. I can taste the difference in my home roast
[GASP- He home roasts!] from day to day as it 'ages.' My wife can tell
the difference in a cappa when I change the beans or adjust the
grinder one click.

That does not mean that YOU would prefer my coffee over brand X. And
it doesn't mean that my coffee is better than brand X. But for you to
infer that they couldn't tell the difference between espresso "A" and
espresso "B" may be a matter of you falsely assuming that they share a
shortcoming of your own.

>Note: Tomorrow I'll be heading to IntelligentsiaA (Chicago) to get
>some great beans. I can hardly wait...
>
Drive Safely... and GO BEARS!


Randy
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




    
Date: 03 Feb 2007 11:55:39
From:
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Talk about someone having a medical disorder! Take another deep look
into the mirror Randy. You and the rest of the home-roasters society
degraded a simple question into pure nonsense. Then follow that with
your most recent novelette. Hey Randy do you have a life?

Now let me make one more point clear to you Randy since you have a
problem reading simple English; you can purchase beans, you can roast
to your hearts content, you can purchase your coffee at Dunkin Donuts,
Starbucks or at a Bears games -- I and others don't care! Just don't
try to convince me that yours is the only way; that's being
evangelical Randy.

Now if you're having a problem understanding that I suggest you try,
at least, to take some classes at either Northwestern or the
University of Chicago. Either one could help you quite abit, and,
from personal experience are absolutely great instituions.

BTW Randy, I also live in Chicago and am looking forward to a COLT
VICTORY!

Oh and,

PS: Randy respond, and I'm certain you will, but Agent will delete the
post before it even arrives. I've got to filterout the noise you
know!

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:11:40 -0800, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com wrote:
>
>There are those here (and in other such forums) where the regulars
>will look at such a vague post, see that it is from someone who is
>posting anon (without even a first name in the sig) and tend to not
>always take them too seriously. Your original question may have even
>been viewed as a troll since you began it in such a vague manner. IMO,
>that is what prompted the first part of semi-humorous responses
>(including my own)...
>
>>Outstanding! With this post you have totally destroyed The Roast
>>Delusion.
>>
>"If it wasn't for delusions, I wouldn't have no reality at all...."
>
>>As the OP I was only interested in beans that could be
>>purchased from companies such as IntelligentsiA, etc.
>>
>Saying that you were looking to order ___roasted___ coffee would have
>REALLY helped from the start, no?
>
>The entirety with which you started this thread (and then waited quite
>some time to respond) was:
>-------------------
>Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
>Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
>quantity?
>-------------------
>
>You asked for "Beans..." Not roasted, Not green, but just "beans." And
>for the most part that's what you got for a response... beans.
>
>>But, and I
>>should have expected the noise level to soon degrade, the "Roasters"
>>quickly piped in with their arguments.
>>
>The noise level actually improved as things went along.
>
>When folks don't post answers that fulfill your wishes they are
>arguments? Hmmm...
>
>> Frankly, I find those arguing for home-roasting tantamount to those
>>in the religious community who are never satisfied enough with their
>>own conclusions while repeatedly feeling the urge, indeed the need to
>>convince others of their newfound wisdom.
>>
>Speaking of religious, what a dogmatic response from you. Who are you
>to say that the people who roast at home shouldn't like the coffee
>they create better than that which they can order online, or that they
>are wrong for thinking that their coffee is better? Plenty of people
>prefer the dark, oily, over-roasted fare that is sold at so many
>nationally famous chain coffee stores. Does that mean that these
>over-roasted, often stale beans are superior to any home roast?
>
>And why would our opinion matter at all? Maybe telling us what beans
>you have used in the past and how your taste preferences run might
>have helped. Something like, "I had ___ from __ and liked that. Is
>there anything like that available?" Taste is, after all, subjective-
>virtually by definition!
>
>>I also wonder how many of them could tell the difference if they were
>>presented with a blind-test. Of course many will argue they could,
>>but if that were true they would be gamely employed by one of the
>>leading coffee houses. Dare I suspect not!
>>
>So if we extrapolate, anyone who can tell a good cut of beef from
>mediocre should be working at a steak house? Maybe they just like a
>good cut of beef. I dare say that I have watched a few barristas in
>local shops, and I make better espresso than every one of them. And,
>no, I do not work in a coffee shop nor do I have the desire to do so.
>
>And as far as taste tests, OF COURSE they can tell the difference. If
>you can't tell the difference, just go down to the grocery store and
>get a can of Folger's and save the time and trouble.
>
>Read up on PID'd machines. It is a universal truth that even new
>adopters of that technology can taste a difference of two degrees (or
>less) in brew temperature. I can taste the difference in my home roast
>[GASP- He home roasts!] from day to day as it 'ages.' My wife can tell
>the difference in a cappa when I change the beans or adjust the
>grinder one click.
>
>That does not mean that YOU would prefer my coffee over brand X. And
>it doesn't mean that my coffee is better than brand X. But for you to
>infer that they couldn't tell the difference between espresso "A" and
>espresso "B" may be a matter of you falsely assuming that they share a
>shortcoming of your own.
>
>>Note: Tomorrow I'll be heading to IntelligentsiaA (Chicago) to get
>>some great beans. I can hardly wait...
>>
>Drive Safely... and GO BEARS!
>
>
> Randy
>http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>


  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 00:17:13
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
In article <1169853532.469458.178660@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com >,
ramboorider@gmail.com says...
> It's
> expensive, but it's always fresh and good and I suspect I'd spend more
> if I tried getting into roasting and I seriously doubt I'd come up with
> anything even nearly as good.
>
If I could buy truly fresh roasted from some of my favourites very
conveniently, I'd quit home roasting. Since I can't, home roasting is a
very good option. However, if Barry sold freshly-roasted DSB in my
local shopping centre . . . .

Rick


   
Date: 29 Jan 2007 06:28:45
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Espressopithecus (Java Man) wrote:

> If I could buy truly fresh roasted from some of my favourites very
> conveniently, I'd quit home roasting. Since I can't, home roasting is a
> very good option. However, if Barry sold freshly-roasted DSB in my
> local shopping centre . . . .
>
> Rick

Barry is so fast with his shipping that even when he sent DSB to me
here to the UK the beans had barely degassed.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



  
Date: 26 Jan 2007 15:34:12
From: RoqueJa
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On 26 Jan 2007 15:18:52 -0800, "ramboorider@gmail.com"
<ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote:

>OK, I'll be the first to respond who doesn't roast his own, which I'm
>guessing is what the OP was looking for.

<snip >
>if I tried getting into roasting and I seriously doubt I'd come up with
>anything even nearly as good.
>
>-Ray

That is so unsmug. You come here often?




 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 20:27:05
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:07:21 -0600, NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com
wrote:

>Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
>quantity?


mine.
here.
yep.



  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 10:13:10
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Jan 27, 12:37 pm, coffeeem...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, yes. Specific goals. Well, nothing too prescriptive. More like
> "benchks."
> Harry, seems to have the right idea----dispensing with subtleties and
> getting right to name-calling. "Self-righteous" and "delusional" are
> a little weak, but we could build from there.
>
> ATRIR is brilliant. I might adopt that for my forthcoming "Kill
> Resuscitation And Post" (KRAP). This program constantly scans for all
> the posts that alties claim to kill, and collects them in a single
> "Best of . . . Digest."

We're gonna need some kind of interpretation committee to rule on
stuff like 'unsmug' - could go either way. And if it's deemed to be a
compliment as opposed to insult, do we counter-weight and subtract
from the number of insulting posts in the formula? Or just leave it
be?

-Ray



   
Date: 27 Jan 2007 12:47:12
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
"ramboorider@gmail.com" <ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 27, 12:37 pm, coffeeem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, yes. Specific goals. Well, nothing too prescriptive. More like
>> "benchks."
>> Harry, seems to have the right idea----dispensing with subtleties and
>> getting right to name-calling. "Self-righteous" and "delusional" are
>> a little weak, but we could build from there.
>>
>> ATRIR is brilliant. I might adopt that for my forthcoming "Kill
>> Resuscitation And Post" (KRAP). This program constantly scans for all
>> the posts that alties claim to kill, and collects them in a single
>> "Best of . . . Digest."
>
>We're gonna need some kind of interpretation committee to rule on
>stuff like 'unsmug' - could go either way. And if it's deemed to be a
>compliment as opposed to insult, do we counter-weight and subtract
>from the number of insulting posts in the formula? Or just leave it
>be?
>
>-Ray
>

"You have me at long division.... You lost me at logarithms."

Randy "red+yellow=orange" G.
that's art math
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 09:37:14
From:
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Jan 26, 10:46 pm, Randy G. <f...@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote:
> And what _IS_ the respectable amount of insults for an altie thread,
> anyway? If coffeeemail can't quantify his reks, what value do they
> hold in this or any other thread? We need specific goals! ;-P~
> ACTIR = Alt Coffee Thread Insult Ratio
> __ __
>


  
Date: 26 Jan 2007 15:41:54
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:lvokr2p2c2d3mm9imis52slts0gl3vjd0f@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:07:21 -0600, NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com
> wrote:
>
> >Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
> >quantity?
>
>
> mine.
> here.
> yep.
>

Yes, me too.
Mine
Here
Yep. {;-D
Craig.



   
Date: 26 Jan 2007 14:59:20
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:

>
>"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com> wrote in message
>news:lvokr2p2c2d3mm9imis52slts0gl3vjd0f@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:07:21 -0600, NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
>> >quantity?
>>
>>
>> mine.
>> here.
>> yep.
>>
>
>Yes, me too.
>Mine
>Here
>Yep. {;-D
>Craig.


Me too, mostly:
Mine
Over there [pointing]
Yep


Randy "_WAY_ over there [more pointing]" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




    
Date: 26 Jan 2007 18:01:01
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?

"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in message
news:jn1lr2p8ovnj7ulfhph7mg63c1j8f10o2h@4ax.com...
> "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com> wrote in message
>>news:lvokr2p2c2d3mm9imis52slts0gl3vjd0f@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:07:21 -0600, NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
>>> >quantity?
>>>
>>>
>>> mine.
>>> here.
>>> yep.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, me too.
>>Mine
>>Here
>>Yep. {;-D
>>Craig.
>
>
> Me too, mostly:
> Mine
> Over there [pointing]
> Yep
>
>
> Randy "_WAY_ over there [more pointing]" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>

ROTFLMAO! Love ya Randy! Made me grin ear to ear & made my day! {:-D
Craigo.



     
Date: 26 Jan 2007 17:19:41
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:01 -0500, "Craig Andrews"
<alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:

>made my day

must be a slow one

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



      
Date: 26 Jan 2007 20:24:05
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?

"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:v4alr2phanvotqilegi5niopp258ch83mf@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:01 -0500, "Craig Andrews"
> <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>made my day
>
> must be a slow one
>

NO, just you for replying back..
Crai



       
Date: 26 Jan 2007 20:30:00
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?

"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote in message
news:51vntcF1ljqr3U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:v4alr2phanvotqilegi5niopp258ch83mf@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:01 -0500, "Craig Andrews"
>> <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>>made my day
>>
>> must be a slow one
>>
>
> NO, just you for replying back..
> Crai

& me for repling to my own post &... Haha! time for a few more pints
(567ml), that's English Imperial measure too. Umm, ok., maybe several
500ml 1/2 liter glass's.
Cheers in all languages!
Craig.



        
Date: 27 Jan 2007 03:24:06
From: Harry Ipema
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
Glad to see they are now offering computers and internet connections
to the kindergarden crowd. Or, perhaps, a group who should have
objected before progressing beyond kindergarden.

The guy asks a serious question and the morons come out of the
woodwork; so predictable!!

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:30:00 -0500, "Craig Andrews"
<alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:

>
>"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:51vntcF1ljqr3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:v4alr2phanvotqilegi5niopp258ch83mf@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:01 -0500, "Craig Andrews"
>>> <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>made my day
>>>
>>> must be a slow one
>>>
>>
>> NO, just you for replying back..
>> Crai
>
>& me for repling to my own post &... Haha! time for a few more pints
>(567ml), that's English Imperial measure too. Umm, ok., maybe several
>500ml 1/2 liter glass's.
>Cheers in all languages!
>Craig.


         
Date: 27 Jan 2007 04:10:08
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:24:06 GMT, Harry Ipema <ipema@teeitup.com >
wrote:

>The guy asks a serious question and the morons come out of the
>woodwork; so predictable!!
>

i'm sorry, i thought my answer was a serious answer to the questions
asked.


it's not my fault if he asked the wrong questions.



  
Date: 26 Jan 2007 20:37:17
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Whose Beans are you using for your espresso? Why?
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:27:05 GMT, Barry Jarrett
<barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:07:21 -0600, NoMailAddress@NoMailAddress.com
>wrote:
>
> >Do you have a preference? Where do you purchase? Do you buy in
> >quantity?
>
>
>mine.
>here.
>yep.

Spammer!

shall