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Date: 20 Apr 2007 20:06:53
From: Tony Jester
Subject: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
Wow, this is the second espresso machine she's got for me. Our new house is
almost done and I guess she wanted to fill my new "espresso corner" of the
new kitchen. I've read in the past that E61 machines are considerably
different in operation to my PID'd Silvia. Could I get some tips for using
this machine? Thanks!
-Tony-






 
Date: 26 Apr 2007 14:17:01
From:
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Apr 26, 10:25 am, Dave b <davebobbl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> General workflow has improved,
>
> > Martin
>
> "workflow"?
>
> davewww.hitechespresso.com
Term slipped out. It's used in photography to refer to the most
efficient----possibly standardized----order and arrangement of the
zillion steps in processing. Sometimes it's a qualitative matter - - -
(it's just better to sharpen after sizing.) What saves time, is least
confusing or distracting? Best places for tools?

One example with my raised La Spaziale is that I can keep a much
closer eye on the pour while I'm steaming. Easier to do both at the
same time now
Martin




 
Date: 26 Apr 2007 10:25:40
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
General workflow has improved,
> Martin

"workflow"?

dave
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 26 Apr 2007 05:59:15
From: rainchief
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
Sorry for the double post, my reply took 3 days to show up!?

Anyway, I've got a Mazzer Super Jolly grinder. Ebay special -
$195.00, new burrs - $30, new paint to come. Great grinder! A real
workhorse. There is nothing I dislike about this grinder. I think
you'll be in the same arena with the LaCimballi. That's a nice
machine. Heavy duty also. But I have no direct experiance with it,
just what I've read.

Let us know what you get. In the mean time bring home that Mini and
grind some coffee!




 
Date: 25 Apr 2007 12:53:47
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
"Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:

>Wow, this is the second espresso machine she's got for me. Our new house is
>almost done and I guess she wanted to fill my new "espresso corner" of the
>new kitchen.
>-Tony-
>
That is very cool, indeed. Does your wife offer training classes to
other wives? Do you offer hints and tips to other husbands? If not,
are you up for trades? ;-)

Randy "leaving hints starting today" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com





 
Date: 25 Apr 2007 09:59:05
From: rainchief
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Apr 22, 11:21 pm, "Tony Jester" <nos...@nospam.org > wrote:
> "jim schulman" <jim_schul...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>
> news:an3o23tlvaa4smjsc6et0j3t5kjcq5l4sl@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:42:08 -0700, "Tony Jester" <nos...@nospam.org>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Yes sir. But I didn't think I was obsessing. I'm just curious. Thanks
> for
> > >taking the time to help.
>
> > Sorry to sound cranky, but there really are endless past posts
> > describing the process.
>
> Sorry to make you cranky. I've learned so much from you over the years it
> amazes me.

I've got a Tea, actually it's my second one. I also upgraded from a
Silvia. Yes there is alot of info out there. Almost too much
really. The flushing technique is different from machine to machine.
Good to experiment one afternoon with about 2lbs of beans.

Let me know if I can be of any help.



 
Date: 24 Apr 2007 13:08:23
From:
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Apr 22, 11:21 pm, "Tony Jester" <nos...@nospam.org > wrote:
> "jim schulman" <jim_schul...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>
> news:an3o23tlvaa4smjsc6et0j3t5kjcq5l4sl@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:42:08 -0700, "Tony Jester" <nos...@nospam.org>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Yes sir. But I didn't think I was obsessing. I'm just curious. Thanks
> for
> > >taking the time to help.
>
> > Sorry to sound cranky, but there really are endless past posts
> > describing the process.
>
> Sorry to make you cranky. I've learned so much from you over the years it
> amazes me.




 
Date: 24 Apr 2007 13:06:24
From:
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
You first HX E-61 machine can be a great experiance. Yes, lots of
info on the web. I have a Tea, my second one really. Let me know if
you need help getting started, I'll be glad to help.

I upgraded from a Silvia as well. We have similar backgrounds. But
my wife didn't buy me either one! Lucky you!




  
Date: 24 Apr 2007 23:08:36
From: Tony Jester
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!

<cliffgojkow35@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1177445184.485407.85500@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> You first HX E-61 machine can be a great experiance. Yes, lots of
> info on the web. I have a Tea, my second one really. Let me know if
> you need help getting started, I'll be glad to help.
>
> I upgraded from a Silvia as well. We have similar backgrounds. But
> my wife didn't buy me either one! Lucky you!
>
>

Yea, but just like last time, she forgot the grinder! My Silvia/Mazzer is
at my work, where I need it to get anything done! The Tea is for home - so
I need another grinder. I really don't want another Mazzer Mini. I know
it's a great grinder, but there are a couple of things I don't like about
it. At this point I think I want a Cimbali Jr. What are you using?




 
Date: 21 Apr 2007 16:34:55
From:
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Apr 20, 1:06 pm, "Tony Jester" <nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
Our new house is
> almost done.

If there is still some design flexibility, consider that the typical
counter height may not be optimal for an espresso machine. A lower
counter height is not a problem, but I've recently raised my machine
to 44" above floor level. General workflow has improved, and I wound
up with additional usable space. I enjoyed my Tea for a number of
years. Diff machine now.
Martin



 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 22:20:11
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Apr 21, 12:47 am, "Tony Jester" <nos...@nospam.org > wrote:
> I found a good article about E61s on Coffeegeek. I think I've got it
> figured out enough to start using it (in the morning, it's a little late now
> for coffee). Right now, the pressurestat is set so that the max pressure is
> 1.35. Should I adjust it down?

no.

dave



 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 21:17:16
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:06:53 GMT, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.com >
wrote:

>Could I get some tips for using
>this machine? Thanks!

Just search the alt.coffee archive, CG and HB for "e61," "tea" or "e61
box." By the time you're finished, your grandchildren will be old, and
the Tea a pile of rust.

Not quite as much as on the Silvia, but still more than enough.

HB has the most easily found info in the articles & reviews.


  
Date: 21 Apr 2007 04:47:33
From: Tony Jester
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
I found a good article about E61s on Coffeegeek. I think I've got it
figured out enough to start using it (in the morning, it's a little late now
for coffee). Right now, the pressurestat is set so that the max pressure is
1.35. Should I adjust it down?




   
Date: 21 Apr 2007 02:42:55
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:47:33 GMT, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org >
wrote:

> Right now, the pressurestat is set so that the max pressure is
>1.35. Should I adjust it down?

Depends. That'll give you great steaming, but you'll need to flush the
group a bit longer to get the shot temperature down. Just remember to
take out the PF and run water out of the group 2 to 6 seconds past the
point it stops boiling (2 seconds for very hot - 205F, 6 for quite
cool - 195F; this is SOP for almost all HX machines). You'll end up
running around 6 to 7 ounces if the new Tea has the same thermosyphon
jetting as the old one.


    
Date: 21 Apr 2007 21:30:21
From: Tony Jester
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
"jim schulman" <jim_schulman@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:gsfj2394ntjfds64abkkpef06j7clkd582@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:47:33 GMT, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Right now, the pressurestat is set so that the max pressure is
> >1.35. Should I adjust it down?
>
> Depends. That'll give you great steaming,

I don't use any milk in my espresso. Well, maybe I will now with the new
machine. For my wife. *IF* I can make her a cappucino as good as David
Schomer made for her when she visisted Seattle :-)

>but you'll need to flush the
> group a bit longer to get the shot temperature down. Just remember to
> take out the PF and run water out of the group 2 to 6 seconds past the
> point it stops boiling (2 seconds for very hot - 205F, 6 for quite
> cool - 195F; this is SOP for almost all HX machines).

After that, how long do I have to get the PF filled and tamped, etc?




     
Date: 22 Apr 2007 00:57:01
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:30:21 GMT, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org >
wrote:

>
>>but you'll need to flush the
>> group a bit longer to get the shot temperature down. Just remember to
>> take out the PF and run water out of the group 2 to 6 seconds past the
>> point it stops boiling (2 seconds for very hot - 205F, 6 for quite
>> cool - 195F; this is SOP for almost all HX machines).
>
>After that, how long do I have to get the PF filled and tamped, etc?

um, try starting as you start grinding.


      
Date: 22 Apr 2007 21:23:19
From: Tony Jester
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
"jim schulman" <jim_schulman@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:c7ul23553u34m21ao5odh1358o2e8mpdt4@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:30:21 GMT, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >>but you'll need to flush the
> >> group a bit longer to get the shot temperature down. Just remember to
> >> take out the PF and run water out of the group 2 to 6 seconds past the
> >> point it stops boiling (2 seconds for very hot - 205F, 6 for quite
> >> cool - 195F; this is SOP for almost all HX machines).
> >
> >After that, how long do I have to get the PF filled and tamped, etc?
>
> um, try starting as you start grinding.

No, I mean how long after I flush do I have before the group overheats
again, or how much time do I have after flushing to actually start the shot?




       
Date: 22 Apr 2007 16:52:33
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:23:19 GMT, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org >
wrote:

>No, I mean how long after I flush do I have before the group overheats
>again, or how much time do I have after flushing to actually start the shot?

Your good for about 45 secoonds. After that the group will actually
drop in temperature for a while (the thermosyphon stops due to a lack
of temp difference) After the water in the HX heats up again, the
thermosyphon starts, usually in two minutes or so. You're overheated
in about 10 minutes on the old Tea.

All these figures depend on the exact details of the thermosyphon
restrictores and HX size. So please stop obsessing, and just flush
till the boiling stops, pull shots, and figure it out for yourself.


        
Date: 22 Apr 2007 17:42:08
From: Tony Jester
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
"jim schulman" <jim_schulman@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:a3mn23pu82ca8llkv17ktqsih9bv937j6b@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:23:19 GMT, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org>
> wrote:
>
> >No, I mean how long after I flush do I have before the group overheats
> >again, or how much time do I have after flushing to actually start the
shot?
>
> Your good for about 45 secoonds. After that the group will actually
> drop in temperature for a while (the thermosyphon stops due to a lack
> of temp difference) After the water in the HX heats up again, the
> thermosyphon starts, usually in two minutes or so. You're overheated
> in about 10 minutes on the old Tea.
>
> All these figures depend on the exact details of the thermosyphon
> restrictores and HX size. So please stop obsessing, and just flush
> till the boiling stops, pull shots, and figure it out for yourself.

Yes sir. But I didn't think I was obsessing. I'm just curious. Thanks for
taking the time to help.




         
Date: 22 Apr 2007 20:42:45
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:42:08 -0700, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org >
wrote:

>Yes sir. But I didn't think I was obsessing. I'm just curious. Thanks for
>taking the time to help.

Sorry to sound cranky, but there really are endless past posts
describing the process.


          
Date: 23 Apr 2007 03:21:57
From: Tony Jester
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
"jim schulman" <jim_schulman@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:an3o23tlvaa4smjsc6et0j3t5kjcq5l4sl@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:42:08 -0700, "Tony Jester" <nospam@nospam.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes sir. But I didn't think I was obsessing. I'm just curious. Thanks
for
> >taking the time to help.
>
> Sorry to sound cranky, but there really are endless past posts
> describing the process.

Sorry to make you cranky. I've learned so much from you over the years it
amazes me.




 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 16:42:14
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Wife just bought me a new Isomac Tea II!
On 2007-04-20, Tony Jester <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:
> Wow, this is the second espresso machine she's got for me.

Congrats, Tony. Enjoy and give us a detailed update when you get up
to speed.

nb