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Date: 25 Sep 2006 21:59:33
From: James R. Lewis
Subject: Zach & Dani's roasting outdoors/Cold weather
I just got a Zach & Dani's roaster. Overall I'm very satisfied with the end
results. However I live in an apartment w/o an exhaust fan, even with the Z
& D's I still get enough smoke/fumes to set off my smoke alarms. So I just
started using the roaster outdoors. Does anyone have an idea just how cold
it can get outdoors and the roaster will still perform adequately. I live in
Wisconsin so it's going to get cold soon!
Thanks! Jim






 
Date: 27 Sep 2006 11:52:29
From: CQ
Subject: Re: Zach & Dani's roasting outdoors/Cold weather

notbob wrote:
> On 2006-09-25, James R. Lewis <jlewis103@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Wisconsin so it's going to get cold soon!
>
> All fluid bed coffee roasters pull air at ambient temperatures into
> the roaster. If the ambient air is cold, the roaster is going to have
> to work that much harder to warm the cold air. Most f/b home roasters
> don't have the heating power to overcome very cold air. I know my
> Poppery sure doesn't.

I have a "Toastmaster" popper and I've roasted outdoors down to at
least 20 degrres F. I had to put it in a partially open cardboard box
to do it , but it worked very well this way last winter.

In fact, i think it improved my roast. In the summer, they can be too
short - less than 5 minutes to the middle of 2nd crack. In the winter,
I can get the roast a little slower. I think I ran about 8 minutes when
the temp was in the mid 20s.

Plus the snow drifts are excellent for setting my cooling pans on!

I know these poppers are pretty variable, so I don't know if it is just
mine or whether the Toastmasters have a more powerful heating element.



  
Date: 27 Sep 2006 15:02:58
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Zach & Dani's roasting outdoors/Cold weather
On 2006-09-27, CQ <charmed_quark@n2mail.com > wrote:


> mine or whether the Toastmasters have a more powerful heating element.

Must have. My PopperyII is pretty much useless under 60 deg F. It
won't reach 2nd crack, ever. That's when I have to come indoors and
roast on the stove, under the exhaust hood. Besides, I don't mind
smelling up the house with roast coffee. It's better than Airwick.

nb



 
Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:29:28
From: AlanM
Subject: Re: Zach & Dani's roasting outdoors/Cold weather
James, I might suggest going a different way. When I lived in Pittsburgh
(I have since escaped from that section of purgatory and now live in
South Florida), but enough about my good fortune; I used a Z & D for
more than two years, in the kitchen, without an exhaust fan. Only one of
the many smoke alarms ever went off. I just got into the habit of taking
down the offending, or offended, smoke alarm for the duration of the roast.

I have since replaced the Z & D with the original iRoast which for me
works like a charm. I set it on the balcony of my condo and follow the
philosophy of What Me Worry.

James R. Lewis wrote:
> I just got a Zach & Dani's roaster. Overall I'm very satisfied with the end
> results. However I live in an apartment w/o an exhaust fan, even with the Z
> & D's I still get enough smoke/fumes to set off my smoke alarms. So I just
> started using the roaster outdoors. Does anyone have an idea just how cold
> it can get outdoors and the roaster will still perform adequately. I live in
> Wisconsin so it's going to get cold soon!
> Thanks! Jim
>
>


 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 17:30:50
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Zach & Dani's roasting outdoors/Cold weather
On 2006-09-25, James R. Lewis <jlewis103@wi.rr.com > wrote:

> Wisconsin so it's going to get cold soon!

All fluid bed coffee roasters pull air at ambient temperatures into
the roaster. If the ambient air is cold, the roaster is going to have
to work that much harder to warm the cold air. Most f/b home roasters
don't have the heating power to overcome very cold air. I know my
Poppery sure doesn't. If it gets too cold outside, the beans will
never get roasted and I must move inside. I imagine the Z&D is in
this catagory.

There are some tricks you can try. I put my roaster in a large stock
pot (no lid), which keeps it out of the wind and radient and exhaust
heat somewhat warms the air inside the stock pot before it is finally
drawn into the roaster's intake. But, this is for minor temp drops in
the evening. I'm sure when temps drop below zero, this approach will
be useless. You might try running a hair dryer (or whatever) into a
box then putting the roaster in the box or somehow ducting the dryer
to the Z&D's intake. How is your oven vented? Can you put it on low
and put the roaster in the oven? As a last resort, roast on your
stovetop and let the smoke do it's thing. Then, put a fan in the
window to vent the smoke. Ask if a friend with a garage or vent in
the kitchen will let you roast at their house in trade for some fresh
roasted coffee. Use your imagination. Be ster than the tool. ;)

nb


 
Date: 25 Sep 2006 22:14:09
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Zach & Dani's roasting outdoors/Cold weather
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:59:33 GMT, "James R. Lewis"
<jlewis103@wi.rr.com > wrote:

>I just got a Zach & Dani's roaster. Overall I'm very satisfied with the end
>results. However I live in an apartment w/o an exhaust fan, even with the Z
>& D's I still get enough smoke/fumes to set off my smoke alarms. So I just
>started using the roaster outdoors. Does anyone have an idea just how cold
>it can get outdoors and the roaster will still perform adequately. I live in
>Wisconsin so it's going to get cold soon!
>Thanks! Jim

No way that is going to work in a Wisconsin winter. Your best best is
a DIY indoor exhaust kit. Here is Jim Schulman's rig in his Chicago
apartment:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/jim_schulman/Ventilatedroastersetup-lowres.jpg

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