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Date: 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
Place filter holder on cup #2.
(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
Done!
Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
few minutes.
Delicious, and almost no fines.
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 18:33:45
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Ken,
Putting a scoop of ice cream is like adding coffee to water. Simple
and fundamental.
Having to use a machine to heat the water and pour it for you through a
filter is the novel and vastly complicated way.
Why don't we take two glass chambers, put the coffee in the top and
water in the bottom? We could call it a 'VACUUM METHOD'. Oooooh!
It is a real chore saver. You don't have to pour. Oh wait, you have
to fill it.
Gosh, can't we invent a machine that opens the freezer, takes out a
scoop of ice cream and flings it across the kitchen in a beautiful arc
so that it lands on you slice of pie? That would be novel idea, and
according to you, necessary.
I'd rather keep things simple and effective.
It is really worth buying
Ken Fox wrote:
> "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote in message
> news:1151270759.590330.263820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Marshall,
> >
> > Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
> > filter when a better method is available?
> >
> > When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
> > important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir all
> > the coffee with the water.
> >
> >
> > Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
>
> If I might answer for Marshall; the implication is that your new method of
> making coffee is as novel as putting a scoop of ice cream on a slice of
> apple pie.
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Date: 01 Jul 2006 05:25:03
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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BoyntonStu wrote:
> I found this method quite accidentally and only wished to discuss it.
And so you have, Stu. And have and have and have.
Lighten up, brother. We're just funnin' wif ya.
Will
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 14:26:04
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Marshall,
Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
filter when a better method is available?
When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir all
the coffee with the water.
Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
Marshall wrote:
> On 25 Jun 2006 13:13:21 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
>
> >Melitta, Stir and steep, and then filter?
> >
> >
> >Marshall wrote:
> >> On 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
> >> >
> >> >Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
> >> >
> >> >When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
> >> >
> >> >Place filter holder on cup #2.
> >> >
> >> >(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
> >> >coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
> >> >
> >> >Done!
> >> >
> >> >Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
> >> >
> >> >It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
> >> >few minutes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Delicious, and almost no fines.
> >>
> >> Congratulations! You've invented the Melitta filter system.
> >>
> >> Marshall
>
> It filters slowly. Knowledgeable users often recommend stirring it a
> bit while it steeps. http://www.coffeereview.com/reference.cfm?ID=169
>
> Marshall
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 14:25:59
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Marshall,
Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
filter when a better method is available?
When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir all
the coffee with the water.
Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
Marshall wrote:
> On 25 Jun 2006 13:13:21 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
>
> >Melitta, Stir and steep, and then filter?
> >
> >
> >Marshall wrote:
> >> On 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
> >> >
> >> >Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
> >> >
> >> >When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
> >> >
> >> >Place filter holder on cup #2.
> >> >
> >> >(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
> >> >coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
> >> >
> >> >Done!
> >> >
> >> >Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
> >> >
> >> >It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
> >> >few minutes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Delicious, and almost no fines.
> >>
> >> Congratulations! You've invented the Melitta filter system.
> >>
> >> Marshall
>
> It filters slowly. Knowledgeable users often recommend stirring it a
> bit while it steeps. http://www.coffeereview.com/reference.cfm?ID=169
>
> Marshall
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 15:50:28
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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"BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com > wrote in message
news:1151270759.590330.263820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Marshall,
>
> Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
> filter when a better method is available?
>
> When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
> important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir all
> the coffee with the water.
>
>
> Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
If I might answer for Marshall; the implication is that your new method of
making coffee is as novel as putting a scoop of ice cream on a slice of
apple pie.
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 18:35:47
From: Mike Garner
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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In article <4g8eonF1lpmplU1@individual.net >,
morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com says...
> > Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
>
> If I might answer for Marshall; the implication is that your new method of
> making coffee is as novel as putting a scoop of ice cream on a slice of
> apple pie.
>
Wait...Let me see if I'm following you...
Ice cream...ON...apple pie?
My God, Ken! You're a visionary!
Mike
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 16:57:05
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Mike Garner <coffee_snood@quar.net > wrote:
>In article <4g8eonF1lpmplU1@individual.net>,
>morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com says...
>> > Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
>>
>> If I might answer for Marshall; the implication is that your new method of
>> making coffee is as novel as putting a scoop of ice cream on a slice of
>> apple pie.
>>
>
>
>Wait...Let me see if I'm following you...
>
>Ice cream...ON...apple pie?
>
>My God, Ken! You're a visionary!
>
It's good... lots of body... But it takes about 22 BAR to get it
through the portafilter basket. And when done you WILL need to
backflush- instructions on my website! ;-D
URL below in case you missed it previously:
Randy " ;-P~ " G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 13:20:20
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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Dan
Thanks. Apparently great minds think alike.
However, I do not claim originality.
Were you mocked two years ago?
You may patent it if you wish (assuming that you are the first).
I found this method quite accidentally and only wished to discuss it.
Stu
Don C. wrote:
> :)
>
> Heck, at this point I'd even sign a legal document saying that to the
> best of my knowledge Stu absolutely positively invented this particular
> method and that I was not doing it two years ago and that it should be
> named "Stu Brew."
>
> Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> > Why do I keep hearing a Monty Python line from "The Meaning of Life"
> >
> > "Gosh, we're really all impressed down here."
> >
> > Will (Who is ready to admit that Stu's method is absolutely,
> > positively, the best, cleanest, easiest, sexiest, tastiest, and most
> > environmentally friendly coffee-brewing method in the whole
> > galaxy....if only he will quit blathering on about it.)
> >
> >
> >
> > BoyntonStu wrote:
> > > Dennis,
> > >
> > >
> > > You appear to be ignorant of my method.
> > >
> > > Let's first examine your claim about twice as much work.
> > >
> > > Both methods require heating the water and pouring it into a rewing
> > > vessel. Equal
> > >
> > > Stir - equal.
> > >
> > > Press down plunger - only in a FP.
> > >
> > > Pour from FP into drinking cup equals pouring from 2C&F through filter
> > > into drinking cup.
> > >
> > > Withdraw FP plunger - extra step.
> > >
> > > Rinse 1C&F compared to rinsing FP deeper vessel and perhaps taking
> > > filter apart to clean.
> > >
> > >
> > > As to a cooler cup, I heat the water in the drinking cup a little too
> > > hot.
> > >
> > > When I pour it into the brewing cup it cools to the correct temp. I
> > > add coffee at this point.
> > >
> > > The drinking cup remains warm until the coffee is served.
> > >
> > > How is your drinking cup pre-warmed?
> > >
> > >
> > > You are now informed and you have no reason to remain ignorant.
> > >
> > >
> > > The choice and the taste is individual, and I respect whatever method
> > > that satisfies your taste buds.
> > >
> > > I hope that I have clarified my 2C&F 25th method.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dennis R. wrote:
> > > > In article <1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > stu@aaronj.com says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
> > > > > > I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
> > > > > > difference in taste, at least to my taste.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
> > > > >
> > > > > Stu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Yes. None of us are as ignorant as you think we are. I noticed no
> > > > appreciable difference in the coffee, the temperature dropped when
> > > > transferred to the extra cup, and I had twice as much work to do for
> > > > worse results. You seem to have stumbled on the twenty-fifth way to re-
> > > > invent the wheel, and don't yet realize that everybody else saw Euclides
> > > > jump out of his bath and run down the street shouting "Eureeka" years
> > > > ago. Talk about mono-mania.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 11:37:02
From: Don C.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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I do find it interesting to note that when this exact same thread was
started on CG (by the same author) it got only one response saying
basically, 'been there, done that, was not thrilled, moved on.'
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 11:31:50
From: Don C.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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:)
Heck, at this point I'd even sign a legal document saying that to the
best of my knowledge Stu absolutely positively invented this particular
method and that I was not doing it two years ago and that it should be
named "Stu Brew."
Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> Why do I keep hearing a Monty Python line from "The Meaning of Life"
>
> "Gosh, we're really all impressed down here."
>
> Will (Who is ready to admit that Stu's method is absolutely,
> positively, the best, cleanest, easiest, sexiest, tastiest, and most
> environmentally friendly coffee-brewing method in the whole
> galaxy....if only he will quit blathering on about it.)
>
>
>
> BoyntonStu wrote:
> > Dennis,
> >
> >
> > You appear to be ignorant of my method.
> >
> > Let's first examine your claim about twice as much work.
> >
> > Both methods require heating the water and pouring it into a rewing
> > vessel. Equal
> >
> > Stir - equal.
> >
> > Press down plunger - only in a FP.
> >
> > Pour from FP into drinking cup equals pouring from 2C&F through filter
> > into drinking cup.
> >
> > Withdraw FP plunger - extra step.
> >
> > Rinse 1C&F compared to rinsing FP deeper vessel and perhaps taking
> > filter apart to clean.
> >
> >
> > As to a cooler cup, I heat the water in the drinking cup a little too
> > hot.
> >
> > When I pour it into the brewing cup it cools to the correct temp. I
> > add coffee at this point.
> >
> > The drinking cup remains warm until the coffee is served.
> >
> > How is your drinking cup pre-warmed?
> >
> >
> > You are now informed and you have no reason to remain ignorant.
> >
> >
> > The choice and the taste is individual, and I respect whatever method
> > that satisfies your taste buds.
> >
> > I hope that I have clarified my 2C&F 25th method.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> >
> > Dennis R. wrote:
> > > In article <1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > stu@aaronj.com says...
> > > >
> > > > Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
> > > > > I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
> > > > > difference in taste, at least to my taste.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
> > > >
> > > > Stu
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Yes. None of us are as ignorant as you think we are. I noticed no
> > > appreciable difference in the coffee, the temperature dropped when
> > > transferred to the extra cup, and I had twice as much work to do for
> > > worse results. You seem to have stumbled on the twenty-fifth way to re-
> > > invent the wheel, and don't yet realize that everybody else saw Euclides
> > > jump out of his bath and run down the street shouting "Eureeka" years
> > > ago. Talk about mono-mania.
> > >
> > > Dennis
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 11:21:58
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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Dennis,
Sorry, I wasn't a mind reader.
Up to your post regarding the extra work, all other posts were
extolling the superiority of the FP as the standard,. Each claimed
that the pour-over was a secondary 'away' from the FP method.
I will endeavor to read your mind a little better and will try too not
to confuse you with someone else.
Stu
.
Dennis R. wrote:
> In article <1151666325.661521.35520@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> stu@aaronj.com says...
> > Dennis,
> >
> >
> > You appear to be ignorant of my method.
> >
> > Let's first examine your claim about twice as much work.
> >
> > Both methods require heating the water and pouring it into a rewing
> > vessel. Equal
> >
> > Stir - equal.
> >
> > Press down plunger - only in a FP.
> >
> > Pour from FP into drinking cup equals pouring from 2C&F through filter
> > into drinking cup.
> >
> > Withdraw FP plunger - extra step.
> >
> > Rinse 1C&F compared to rinsing FP deeper vessel and perhaps taking
> > filter apart to clean.
> >
> >
> > As to a cooler cup, I heat the water in the drinking cup a little too
> > hot.
> >
> > When I pour it into the brewing cup it cools to the correct temp. I
> > add coffee at this point.
> >
> > The drinking cup remains warm until the coffee is served.
> >
> > How is your drinking cup pre-warmed?
> >
> >
> > You are now informed and you have no reason to remain ignorant.
> >
> >
> > The choice and the taste is individual, and I respect whatever method
> > that satisfies your taste buds.
> >
> > I hope that I have clarified my 2C&F 25th method.
> >
> > Stu
>
> I was talking about one Melitta filter and 1 cup versus your 1 filter and
> 2 cups. I was not talking about a French Press. That is why I said there
> is twice as much work for no gain to me. Don't confuse me with someone
> else. Of course when I use a FP I have to clean 2 vessels. That was not
> what you were talking about, nor what I was talking about.
>
> Dennis
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 13:21:24
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Martin,
Let's compare an Aeropress vs 2 cups and a filter.
Any filter available vs proprietary filter.
$30 vs $10 cost (I paid 29 cents for the filter holder and $1.00 for
the Norelco gold filter at Goodwill).
Rubber or other plunger seal parts vs none.
Something to wear out vs northing to wear out.
Press or gravity pour.
What does an Aeropress offer with respect to price, ease of use,
cleanup, choice of filters, etc?
Would it make a better cup of coffee or an equal cup?
If you say yes, explain.
Heat + Beans wrote:
> Marshall wrote:
> > On 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
> > >
> > >Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
> > >
> > >When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
> > >
> > >Place filter holder on cup #2.
> > >
> > >(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
> > >coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
> > >
> > >Done!
> > >
> > >Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
> > >
> > >It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
> > >few minutes.
> > >
> > >
> > >Delicious, and almost no fines.
> >
> > Congratulations! You've invented the Melitta filter system.
> >
> > Marshall
>
> Big deal! I invented the AeroPress System:
> Step One: Buy an AeroPress
> Step Two: Follow directions.
> Start to finish in under 4.5 minutes
> Martin
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 13:13:21
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Melitta, Stir and steep, and then filter?
Marshall wrote:
> On 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
>
> > 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
> >
> >Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
> >
> >When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
> >
> >Place filter holder on cup #2.
> >
> >(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
> >coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
> >
> >Done!
> >
> >Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
> >
> >It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
> >few minutes.
> >
> >
> >Delicious, and almost no fines.
>
> Congratulations! You've invented the Melitta filter system.
>
> Marshall
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 20:28:25
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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On 25 Jun 2006 13:13:21 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com > wrote:
>Melitta, Stir and steep, and then filter?
>
>
>Marshall wrote:
>> On 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
>>
>> > 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
>> >
>> >Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
>> >
>> >When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
>> >
>> >Place filter holder on cup #2.
>> >
>> >(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
>> >coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
>> >
>> >Done!
>> >
>> >Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
>> >
>> >It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
>> >few minutes.
>> >
>> >
>> >Delicious, and almost no fines.
>>
>> Congratulations! You've invented the Melitta filter system.
>>
>> Marshall
It filters slowly. Knowledgeable users often recommend stirring it a
bit while it steeps. http://www.coffeereview.com/reference.cfm?ID=169
Marshall
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 13:11:26
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Marshall wrote:
> On 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
>
> > 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
> >
> >Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
> >
> >When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
> >
> >Place filter holder on cup #2.
> >
> >(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
> >coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
> >
> >Done!
> >
> >Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
> >
> >It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
> >few minutes.
> >
> >
> >Delicious, and almost no fines.
>
> Congratulations! You've invented the Melitta filter system.
>
> Marshall
Big deal! I invented the AeroPress System:
Step One: Buy an AeroPress
Step Two: Follow directions.
Start to finish in under 4.5 minutes
Martin
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Date: 25 Jun 2006 19:58:55
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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On 25 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700, "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com > wrote:
> 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
>
>Cup #1 heat water in microwave ~1:45.
>
>When hot, add ground coffee, stir, and steep to brew ~ 2-3 minutes.
>
>Place filter holder on cup #2.
>
>(I discovered that a gold filter and a felt pre-filter will allow the
>coffee through almost as fast as I can pour.)
>
>Done!
>
>Start to finish in under 5 minutes!
>
>It may be possible to microwave with the gounds in the water to save a
>few minutes.
>
>
>Delicious, and almost no fines.
Congratulations! You've invented the Melitta filter system.
Marshall
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 07:04:34
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Alan,
Careful what you say.
"The reason I use Coffee Syphons to brew in is that they are simply the
best! No other brewer that I have seen can give the same purity of
flavor and lack of bitterness."
I am willing to wager that I can brew a cup of coffee that you could
not distinguish from a Coffee Syphon using my 2 cups and a filter
method.
There is no theoretical obstacle to prevent one from duplicating every
parameter of a CS.
In fact, I could use the same filter should I desire.
I maintain that one does not need a machine to heat the water and to
marry it with the grounds.
In addition a CS does not allow for adjusting temperature, brew time,
and stirring/mixing during the brew steep as does a 2C & a F.
Stu
Coffee for Connoisseurs wrote:
> >Do you drink out of a glass coffee cup?
>
> Yep.
>
> >Which vacuum is 100% glass?
>
> Cona, Cory, Silex, Pyrex and a squillion others. Glass upper & lower bowls,
> glass filter. Bodum Santos original if you use a glass filter. I have ...
> something over a dozen different brands in the house right now, and more at
> work, but the "breakfast" model, and my ultimate cupping tool, is a Cona
> Model A single cup. Look it up.
>
> I also have various filter machines, plungers, biggins, moka pots,
> napoletanas and ibriks, as well as a decent selection of espresso machines.
> And more than a few straight out "steep" coffee pots. I've been at this
> longer than a lot of posters have been alive, but not as long as Don. <G>
>
> I would NEVER stand up and say "This, and this alone, is the ideal coffee
> brewing method". There are just too many people out there whose idea of
> "ideal" is different from mine. I will say, after tasting brews from the
> Clover and Aeropress at SCAA this year, that I've yet to find a brewing
> method with more flavour clarity than vac pot, correctly brewed of course.
> See http://www.coffeeco.com.au/altcof/altcoffeepage8.html .
>
> Alan
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 12:50:08
From: notbob
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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On 2006-06-26, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com > wrote:
>
> There is no theoretical obstacle to prevent one from duplicating every
> parameter of a CS.
Then, if follows the reverse is also true. Fine.
We are all now more than acquainted with your views of the subject.
And I'm sure most folks here welcome an alternate opinion. But, to
continue to argue it as if your method is gospel and you the messiah,
is becoming quite tiresome. In short, give it a freakin' rest!
nb
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 04:54:46
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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Alan,
OK 2 GLASS cups and a gold filter.
(If plastic or ceramic is not acceptable)
Will that do?
Do you drink out of a glass coffee cup?
Which vacuum is 100% glass?
Stu
Coffee for Connoisseurs wrote:
> >Why use a vacuum over 2 cups and a filter? Better coffee? Nah!
>
> Better Coffee? Yah! There are a shitload of other syphons out there, and the
> ESantos' (which is the only 12 cup Bodum) has never been particularly good
> anyway. The whole extraction equation is just so much easier when every
> component is glass, you start with boiling water and there's no flavour loss
> due to oil retention by absorbent filter materials.
>
> Unless you've tasted the majority of brewing methods for comparison, all
> you're saying is "this tastes right for me". And by comparing other brewing
> methods, I mean doing it correctly, using a single coffee, a single water
> supply and the correct temperature.
>
> As far as cups, filters and felt go, look up "coffee biggins" sometime.
>
>
> --
> Alan
>
> alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
> www.coffeeco.com.au
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 12:27:09
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
>Do you drink out of a glass coffee cup?
Yep.
>Which vacuum is 100% glass?
Cona, Cory, Silex, Pyrex and a squillion others. Glass upper & lower bowls,
glass filter. Bodum Santos original if you use a glass filter. I have ...
something over a dozen different brands in the house right now, and more at
work, but the "breakfast" model, and my ultimate cupping tool, is a Cona
Model A single cup. Look it up.
I also have various filter machines, plungers, biggins, moka pots,
napoletanas and ibriks, as well as a decent selection of espresso machines.
And more than a few straight out "steep" coffee pots. I've been at this
longer than a lot of posters have been alive, but not as long as Don. <G >
I would NEVER stand up and say "This, and this alone, is the ideal coffee
brewing method". There are just too many people out there whose idea of
"ideal" is different from mine. I will say, after tasting brews from the
Clover and Aeropress at SCAA this year, that I've yet to find a brewing
method with more flavour clarity than vac pot, correctly brewed of course.
See http://www.coffeeco.com.au/altcof/altcoffeepage8.html .
Alan
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 01:04:01
From:
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
In alt.coffee, Coffee for Connoisseurs <alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au > wrote:
> I also have various filter machines, plungers, biggins, moka pots,
> napoletanas and ibriks, as well as a decent selection of espresso machines.
> And more than a few straight out "steep" coffee pots. I've been at this
> longer than a lot of posters have been alive, but not as long as Don. <G>
> I would NEVER stand up and say "This, and this alone, is the ideal coffee
> brewing method".
I agree. I have more than a half-dozen different sorts of coffee making
devices, and I use them all, depending on my mood. I use my trusty 1938
Silex vac pot every morning, given that it is simple and makes great
coffee. But at other times, I might use a French Press, a single-cup
drip, a Moka Pot, my espresso machine, or whatever strikes my fancy at the
time.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 00:58:42
From:
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
In alt.coffee, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com > wrote:
> Which vacuum is 100% glass?
Mine is, for one.
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 18:19:51
From: dadvocate
Subject: Re: sarcastic and insulting responses -- the usual.
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a=DF wrote:
> and you needed to mention it again because.....?
Probably because KF has continued the behaviour.
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 03:18:17
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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I haven't. URL please.
Jasonian wrote:
> Obviously someone hasn't read the Alternative Brew Methods article in
> Barista Magazine.
> BoyntonStu wrote:
> > Marshall,
> >
> > Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
> > filter when a better method is available?
> >
> > When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
> > important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir all
> > the coffee with the water.
> >
> >
> > Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 20:54:36
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
"BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com > wrote in message
news:1151317097.745362.100500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Jasonian wrote:
> > Obviously someone hasn't read the Alternative Brew Methods article in
> > Barista Magazine.
> > BoyntonStu wrote:
> > > Marshall,
> > >
> > > Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
> > > filter when a better method is available?
> > >
> > > When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
> > > important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir
all
> > > the coffee with the water.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
> I haven't. URL please.
>
>
try
baristamagazine.com
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 03:17:25
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
Jason,
> Okay, now I really have to ask. Have you ever tasted coffee from a
> siphon/vacuum system?
Yes, from a 12 C Bodum Santos.
Not worth the extra expense, effort, time, lack of control, lack of
filters, use of space, and trouble to clean.
A good show though.
Why use a vacuum over 2 cups and a filter? Better coffee? Nah!
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 11:19:52
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
>Why use a vacuum over 2 cups and a filter? Better coffee? Nah!
Better Coffee? Yah! There are a shitload of other syphons out there, and the
ESantos' (which is the only 12 cup Bodum) has never been particularly good
anyway. The whole extraction equation is just so much easier when every
component is glass, you start with boiling water and there's no flavour loss
due to oil retention by absorbent filter materials.
Unless you've tasted the majority of brewing methods for comparison, all
you're saying is "this tastes right for me". And by comparing other brewing
methods, I mean doing it correctly, using a single coffee, a single water
supply and the correct temperature.
As far as cups, filters and felt go, look up "coffee biggins" sometime.
--
Alan
alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 00:54:08
From: Jasonian
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
BoyntonStu wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Putting a scoop of ice cream is like adding coffee to water. Simple
> and fundamental.
>
>
> Having to use a machine to heat the water and pour it for you through a
> filter is the novel and vastly complicated way.
>
> Why don't we take two glass chambers, put the coffee in the top and
> water in the bottom? We could call it a 'VACUUM METHOD'. Oooooh!
>
> It is a real chore saver. You don't have to pour. Oh wait, you have
> to fill it.
>
> Gosh, can't we invent a machine that opens the freezer, takes out a
> scoop of ice cream and flings it across the kitchen in a beautiful arc
> so that it lands on you slice of pie? That would be novel idea, and
> according to you, necessary.
>
>
> I'd rather keep things simple and effective.
>
>
>
>
> It is really worth buying
Okay, now I really have to ask. Have you ever tasted coffee from a
siphon/vacuum system?
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 00:52:08
From: Jasonian
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
Obviously someone hasn't read the Alternative Brew Methods article in
Barista Magazine.
BoyntonStu wrote:
> Marshall,
>
> Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
> filter when a better method is available?
>
> When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
> important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir all
> the coffee with the water.
>
>
> Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 16:45:45
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
Craig,
How do you make the water exactly 195* that hits the grounds?
You have a set amount of water to heat up and to send North.
How do you predict when all the water is North at the correct
temperature?
It must be a little frustrating to do it right.
Is a spirit burner important in making great coffee?
IMHO Not as simple as 1:34 in a microwave.
Perhaps you like to 'play' with your expensive toys.
Stu
Craig Andrews wrote:
> "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote in message
> news:1151352963.401714.76080@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > nb,
> >
> >
> > "Then, if follows the reverse is also true. Fine. "
> >
> >
> > Please explain how you can control brew temperature and time in a
> > vacuum.
> >
> > Stu
> >
>
> I do it all the time. Keeping the flame on my Bodum Santos spirit burner
> as low as possible, or varing the flame., I can control the brew temps
> in my Yama brewer, Bodum manual model #1208 or any vac brewer.
>
> Taking the brewer off the burner @ the time I want, like 3 1/2 minutes &
> a 40 - 45 sec pull down produces a perfectly delicious brew! {:-)
> Cheers!
> Craig.
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 13:16:03
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
nb,
"Then, if follows the reverse is also true. Fine. "
Please explain how you can control brew temperature and time in a
vacuum.
Stu
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 17:34:12
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
"BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com > wrote in message
news:1151352963.401714.76080@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> nb,
>
>
> "Then, if follows the reverse is also true. Fine. "
>
>
> Please explain how you can control brew temperature and time in a
> vacuum.
>
> Stu
>
I do it all the time. Keeping the flame on my Bodum Santos spirit burner
as low as possible, or varing the flame., I can control the brew temps
in my Yama brewer, Bodum manual model #1208 or any vac brewer.
Taking the brewer off the burner @ the time I want, like 3 1/2 minutes &
a 40 - 45 sec pull down produces a perfectly delicious brew! {:-)
Cheers!
Craig.
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 06:57:34
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
Dave,
I am attempting to have a sane, friendly discussion about the theory
and practice of brewing the best cofffee possible.
To that end, I described what I consider the fundamental and the
simplist approach possible.
When I give reasons, it is I who they attack, not the reasons.
Can't we all get along and discuss the brew and not the crew?
Stu
daveb wrote:
> MAN oh MAN!
>
> All the pomposity and sarcasm! All too typical I am afraid
>
> what a nice WELCOMING discussion group! [sarcasm]
>
>
> peee yewww!
>
> Dave
> www.hitechespresso.com
>
>
> Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> > C'mon, folks. Stu is convinced that he is onto something new and
> > different and better. It is obviously important to him to defend it
> > not only against criticisms but against comparisons. So let him do it.
> > Then we can move on.
> >
> > Will
> > "The human capacity to really, really, really need to have the last
> > word is nearly boundless."
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 10:04:45
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
BoyntonStu wrote to dave:
> I am attempting to have a sane, friendly discussion about the theory
> and practice of brewing the best cofffee possible.
>
> To that end, I described what I consider the fundamental and the
> simplist approach possible.
You've made your point.
--
St. John
Love and scandal are the best sweeteners of coffee.
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 20:12:23
From: Dennis R.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
BoyntonStu wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I am attempting to have a sane, friendly discussion about the theory
> and practice of brewing the best cofffee possible.
>
> To that end, I described what I consider the fundamental and the
> simplist approach possible.
>
> When I give reasons, it is I who they attack, not the reasons.
>
> Can't we all get along and discuss the brew and not the crew?
>
> Stu
It is your opinion only that your method tastes better than something
even more simple than one cup, one Melitta, and one filter. If I want
French Press, I will make French Press. If I am going to use a Melitta,
I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
difference in taste, at least to my taste. I will clean a Moka Pot, and
I would love to clean a vacuum pot if I had one. The point is, if I want
to use a Melitta, I can see and notice no improvement using your method,
and only have more work to do after.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and everybody seems to agree
that if it floats your boat, that's fine. They also seem to agree that
no one method is the "best".
Dennis
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 06:40:28
From: daveb
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
MAN oh MAN!
All the pomposity and sarcasm! All too typical I am afraid
what a nice WELCOMING discussion group! [sarcasm]
peee yewww!
Dave
www.hitechespresso.com
Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> C'mon, folks. Stu is convinced that he is onto something new and
> different and better. It is obviously important to him to defend it
> not only against criticisms but against comparisons. So let him do it.
> Then we can move on.
>
> Will
> "The human capacity to really, really, really need to have the last
> word is nearly boundless."
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 05:17:32
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
C'mon, folks. Stu is convinced that he is onto something new and
different and better. It is obviously important to him to defend it
not only against criticisms but against comparisons. So let him do it.
Then we can move on.
Will
"The human capacity to really, really, really need to have the last
word is nearly boundless."
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 04:41:51
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
OK According to you, we have a Cory, a 100% glass vacuum maker.
Can it control time, temperature, stirring, and does it offer
alternative filters?
If not, why use it instead of using 2 cups and a filter?
Coffee for Connoisseurs wrote:
> >Are the seals glass?
>
> Actually, if you're talking about Cory, they are.
>
>
> --
> Alan
>
> alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
> www.coffeeco.com.au
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 09:34:17
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
“A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.”
-Winston Churchill
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 12:13:24
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
>OK According to you, we have a Cory, a 100% glass vacuum maker.
>
>Can it control time, temperature, stirring, and does it offer
>alternative filters?
>
>If not, why use it instead of using 2 cups and a filter?
The point is, who cares? I've tasted coffee brewed at least 100 different
ways, especially if you count the "10 second restaurant espresso gusher
method" seen in Barry's post below.
http://www.coffeeprojects.com/images/esp006.jpg .
Some were good, some were great, some were vile. EVERY SINGLE BREWING METHOD
was different, and EVERY SINGLE BREWING METHOD had at least one supporter
who thought it was the best.
NONE of them were right.
The best coffee brewing method is the one that tastes best to the person
that's paying for the coffee. End of story.
--
Alan
alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 03:54:10
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In alt.coffee, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
>
> > Which vacuum is 100% glass?
>
>
> Mine is, for one.
Are the seals glass?
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 13:20:34
From:
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
In alt.coffee, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com > wrote:
> EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > In alt.coffee, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Which vacuum is 100% glass?
> >
> >
> > Mine is, for one.
> Are the seals glass?
No, but the coffee does not touch the seals, so I took that as irrelevant.
BTW, the handle is Bakelite, and is held in place with metal pieces.
But the parts that touch the coffee are all glass.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 11:05:40
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
|
>Are the seals glass?
Actually, if you're talking about Cory, they are.
--
Alan
alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 18:52:22
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
> I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
> difference in taste, at least to my taste.
Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
Stu
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 20:21:33
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
"BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com > wrote in message
news:1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
>> I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
>> difference in taste, at least to my taste.
>
>
> Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
>
> Stu
>
I just put dirty water in there; do you have a new method for that as well?
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 22:32:50
From: Dennis R.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
In article <1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
stu@aaronj.com says...
>
> Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
> > I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
> > difference in taste, at least to my taste.
>
>
> Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
>
> Stu
>
>
Yes. None of us are as ignorant as you think we are. I noticed no
appreciable difference in the coffee, the temperature dropped when
transferred to the extra cup, and I had twice as much work to do for
worse results. You seem to have stumbled on the twenty-fifth way to re-
invent the wheel, and don't yet realize that everybody else saw Euclides
jump out of his bath and run down the street shouting "Eureeka" years
ago. Talk about mono-mania.
Dennis
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 17:19:35
From: daveb
Subject: Re: mean and insulting responses - from foxyken
|
<< your new method of making coffee is as novel as putting a scoop of
ice cream on a slice of apple pie. >>
Now there's a idiotic, insulting remark from "Dr. Junior" -- foxyken
toward niceness, please.
BoyntonStu wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I am attempting to have a sane, friendly discussion about the theory
> and practice of brewing the best cofffee possible.
>
> To that end, I described what I consider the fundamental and the
> simplist approach possible.
>
> When I give reasons, it is I who they attack, not the reasons.
>
> Can't we all get along and discuss the brew and not the crew?
>
> Stu
>
>
> daveb wrote:
> > MAN oh MAN!
> >
> > All the pomposity and sarcasm! All too typical I am afraid
> >
> > what a nice WELCOMING discussion group! [sarcasm]
> >
> >
> > peee yewww!
> >
> > Dave
> > www.hitechespresso.com
> >
> >
> > Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> > > C'mon, folks. Stu is convinced that he is onto something new and
> > > different and better. It is obviously important to him to defend it
> > > not only against criticisms but against comparisons. So let him do it.
> > > Then we can move on.
> > >
> > > Will
> > > "The human capacity to really, really, really need to have the last
> > > word is nearly boundless."
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 15:04:20
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
Oh bosh, Stu. You don't get to be a victim until you've been
victimized, which isn't yet. Neither StJ nor I "attacked" you and
saying so will not make it so.
My own POV is that you've said about all there is to be said on this
topic and so my suggestion--which stands--is that everyone let you say
anything else you want/need to say and then we'll move on.
Will
BoyntonStu wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I am attempting to have a sane, friendly discussion about the theory
> and practice of brewing the best cofffee possible.
>
> To that end, I described what I consider the fundamental and the
> simplist approach possible.
>
> When I give reasons, it is I who they attack, not the reasons.
>
> Can't we all get along and discuss the brew and not the crew?
>
> Stu
>
>
> daveb wrote:
> > MAN oh MAN!
> >
> > All the pomposity and sarcasm! All too typical I am afraid
> >
> > what a nice WELCOMING discussion group! [sarcasm]
> >
> >
> > peee yewww!
> >
> > Dave
> > www.hitechespresso.com
> >
> >
> > Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> > > C'mon, folks. Stu is convinced that he is onto something new and
> > > different and better. It is obviously important to him to defend it
> > > not only against criticisms but against comparisons. So let him do it.
> > > Then we can move on.
> > >
> > > Will
> > > "The human capacity to really, really, really need to have the last
> > > word is nearly boundless."
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 09:57:11
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
Ken,
Very interesting. Before I replace the glass on my 2 broken FFs,
please explain how you use a standard paper filter in your FP.
Is it as easy as just dropping it in?
Perhaps my Bodums are designed differently than your FP?
Also, how would you use a gold filter in combination with a polyester
filter?
In my situation, I just place the felt disk into the Norelco Gold cup
filter.
Cleanup is a 10 second rinse.
EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In alt.coffee, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com> wrote:
>
> > Ken Fox wrote: > > "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote in message > >
>
> > Almost. A FP is my starting point model of excellence. They are
> > terrific but they cost more than $1 and are fragille and harder to
> > clean.
>
> I rinse mine out and put it in the dishwasher. As easy as anything (and
> MUCH easier than cleaning some kind of felt or other cloth filter like you
> do).
>
>
> > Can you interchange filters easily in a FP?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Use standard filters? Multiple filters?
>
> Yes.
>
>
>
> --
> A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
> --Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 17:56:44
From:
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
In alt.coffee, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com > wrote:
> Cleanup is a 10 second rinse.
With a FP, the cleanup is a 1 second rinse and a 1 second insertion into
the dishwasher.
There are a variety of commercially-available and homemade-kludge filter
choices.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 07:36:06
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
|
Ken Fox wrote:
> "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote in message
> news:1151491269.070167.204350@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Sorry, I guess you could not understand my question.
> >
> > I will rephrase.
> >
> > Have you ever brewed first and then filtered in order to compare to to
> > a pourover, (hence dirtying a second cup)?
> >
> > Stu
> >
>
> Stu,
>
> That is what a French press does.
Almost. A FP is my starting point model of excellence. They are
terrific but they cost more than $1 and are fragille and harder to
clean.
Can you interchange filters easily in a FP?
Use standard filters? Multiple filters?
Stu
>
> ken
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 15:00:37
From:
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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In alt.coffee, BoyntonStu <stu@aaronj.com > wrote:
> Ken Fox wrote: > > "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote in message > >
> Almost. A FP is my starting point model of excellence. They are
> terrific but they cost more than $1 and are fragille and harder to
> clean.
I rinse mine out and put it in the dishwasher. As easy as anything (and
MUCH easier than cleaning some kind of felt or other cloth filter like you
do).
> Can you interchange filters easily in a FP?
Yes.
> Use standard filters? Multiple filters?
Yes.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 04:37:00
From: daveb
Subject: sarcastic and insulting responses -- the usual.
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more sarcasm from fox -- who wants respect, --
but does not give it.
Dave
Ken Fox wrote:
> "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote in message
> news:1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
> >> I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
> >> difference in taste, at least to my taste.
> >
> >
> > Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
> >
> > Stu
> >
>
> I just put dirty water in there; do you have a new method for that as well?
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 07:16:54
From: aß
Subject: Re: sarcastic and insulting responses -- the usual.
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On 28 Jun 2006 04:37:00 -0700, "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:
>more sarcasm from fox -- who wants respect, --
> but does not give it.
>
>Dave
>
>Ken Fox wrote:
>> "BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com> wrote in message
>> news:1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
>> >> I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
>> >> difference in taste, at least to my taste.
>> >
>> >
>> > Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
>> >
>> > Stu
>> >
>>
>> I just put dirty water in there; do you have a new method for that as well?
and you needed to mention it again because.....?
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 23:38:36
From: Rob van Loenhout
Subject: Re: sarcastic and insulting responses -- the usual.
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"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
> more sarcasm from fox -- who wants respect, --
> but does not give it.
>
> Dave
>
Quoting Dave in a previous post-
<<<I pledge not to go after rg and fox, juvenile on my part. >>>
So Dave do you make new years resolutions? I didn't see any conditions
attached to your pledge. If you're going to "behave" then do so because
you're above the crap, perceived or otherwise. Why do you feel the need to
respond to posters that aren't interested. Ignore them and they will ignore
you. You have advice to offer that is worth listening to, but the signal to
noise ratio is variable.
Your use of the word juvenile is accurate, a few weeks ago I started to
believe many of the posts here were authored by 14 year olds. This was I
might add after reading some of the exchanges between you and RH.
I don't do toll calls.
Been reading and occasionally posting to alt.coffee for around 6 years,
about ready to give it away.
Rob vL
NZ
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 03:41:09
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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Ken,
Sorry, I guess you could not understand my question.
I will rephrase.
Have you ever brewed first and then filtered in order to compare to to
a pourover, (hence dirtying a second cup)?
Stu
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 08:02:41
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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"BoyntonStu" <stu@aaronj.com > wrote in message
news:1151491269.070167.204350@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ken,
>
> Sorry, I guess you could not understand my question.
>
> I will rephrase.
>
> Have you ever brewed first and then filtered in order to compare to to
> a pourover, (hence dirtying a second cup)?
>
> Stu
>
Stu,
That is what a French press does.
ken
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 03:09:34
From: Jasonian
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter method. Instant brew.
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BoyntonStu wrote:
> Marshall,
>
> Isn't a little silly to stir while the water is dripping through the
> filter when a better method is available?
>
> When you combine the water with the coffee the grind size becomes less
> important, the time can be controlled, and it is easier to mix/stir all
> the coffee with the water.
>
>
> Why wouldn't you choose to do it this way?
I'm not Marshall, but I'll answer anyway.
Isn't it silly to NOT stir if mixing the coffee and water in another
vessel? If you're going to be stirring anyway, why bother to add an
extra step, and an extra vessel which will leach heat from the mixture?
If the vessel itself does not lower the temperature, the added
exposure to air will.
Having used the Melitta system in a commercial environment, I can say
that grind size and manual stirring give excellent control over brew
time. I have tried the separate vessel method, in the shop, right next
to a cup made with the traditional Melitta pourover method. The
traditional method was better, by far. And before you ask, yes, I did
pre-heat the cups. Heat retention was still a major issue, that was
quite noticable in the final cup. The other issue (to make matters
worse) was extraction time. It came out over-extracted.. fairly
consistently. (I had another barista try it as well).
I am glad you found a coffee revelation. We all need them... at least
once. Just realize that it's not new. Also realize that even though
you had a revelation from it, it's not necessarily the best case
scenario for brewing parameters.
regard,
Jason
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 18:51:23
From: Don C.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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BoyntonStu wrote:
> Don,
>
> Please, a link or two to commercial/homemade FP filters and adaptors.
I use a bodum from the box with the nylon filter insert that Sweet
Maria's offers.
> Oil on top. OK Know I understand the talk on CG about an inverted
> AeroPress.
I have an Aeropress and like it but I have drifted back to FP almost
exclusively. It just works for me. Inverted helps but if you use the
paper you still lose some (too much for my taste.)
>
> One possible solution is to pour about 1 0z. oily top directly into the
> drinking cup and filtering the rest.
I actually tried that once. I let the cup sit for a minute after
stirring to give the grounds a chance to settle and then gently spooned
the bloom into my drinking cup. Very chewy cup but it did actually
work to a degree.
>
> I really like this method because it appears insensitive to grind.size
> and for me it is very fast and efficient.
>
I am of the school that grinder quality is as important for FP as it is
for espresso. Pick up a Solis Maestro Plus and see if you don't start
preferring FP.
Don
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 14:19:09
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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Don,
Please, a link or two to commercial/homemade FP filters and adaptors.
Oil on top. OK Know I understand the talk on CG about an inverted
AeroPress.
One possible solution is to pour about 1 0z. oily top directly into the
drinking cup and filtering the rest.
I really like this method because it appears insensitive to grind.size
and for me it is very fast and efficient.
Some folks like chocolate....
Stu
Don C. wrote:
> BoyntonStu wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > Very interesting. Before I replace the glass on my 2 broken FFs,
> > please explain how you use a standard paper filter in your FP.
>
> Why would you possibly want to use a paper filter in a FP. I use a FP
> to avoid paper filters. Paper leeches essential oils from the finished
> cup.
>
>
> > Perhaps my Bodums are designed differently than your FP?
> >
> > Also, how would you use a gold filter in combination with a polyester
> > filter?
>
> Again, why double filter? The swissgold filter is a fine filter on its
> own and is the only pourover solution which in my opinion comes close
> to the quality of a properly prepared FP. My problem with this and any
> pourover method is that as the coffee filters down the grounds
> themselves will trap some of the oils. The reason for this is that the
> oil is very buoyant and will quickly collect at the top of the
> solution. Look at the grounds in the pourover cone after brewing. They
> have a sheen that you do not see in the grounds of French Press. With a
> FP that oil is the first thing through the filter and ends up adorning
> the top of my beautiful cup of coffee instead of the top of the
> grounds.
>
> That said, I think one point that has been lost on Stu is that most of
> us on this site have explored many many different ways of brewing
> coffee, including, and this is the important point, including a
> pre-mixed pourover. I think Stu is assuming that we are dismissing his
> technique untested when in reality we have found the technique in
> question less than ideal and have simply moved on to our own vision of
> the ideal brew method.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I like the method of pre-mixed pourover. It makes
> a very good cup of coffee and I actually use the method often when I am
> trapped away from home with no FP. I do hate to see that shiny foam
> sitting on top of the grounds before I dump the filter though. On the
> other hand many see the FP as less than ideal because of the sludge
> that they find at the bottom of the cup. I was actually in that school
> of people before I got myself a high quality grinder that eliminated
> nearly all of that sludge.
>
> Don
>
> Trying very hard not to add more rancor to what seems to be very a
> contentious forum of late.
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 11:25:57
From: Don C.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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BoyntonStu wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Very interesting. Before I replace the glass on my 2 broken FFs,
> please explain how you use a standard paper filter in your FP.
Why would you possibly want to use a paper filter in a FP. I use a FP
to avoid paper filters. Paper leeches essential oils from the finished
cup.
> Perhaps my Bodums are designed differently than your FP?
>
> Also, how would you use a gold filter in combination with a polyester
> filter?
Again, why double filter? The swissgold filter is a fine filter on its
own and is the only pourover solution which in my opinion comes close
to the quality of a properly prepared FP. My problem with this and any
pourover method is that as the coffee filters down the grounds
themselves will trap some of the oils. The reason for this is that the
oil is very buoyant and will quickly collect at the top of the
solution. Look at the grounds in the pourover cone after brewing. They
have a sheen that you do not see in the grounds of French Press. With a
FP that oil is the first thing through the filter and ends up adorning
the top of my beautiful cup of coffee instead of the top of the
grounds.
That said, I think one point that has been lost on Stu is that most of
us on this site have explored many many different ways of brewing
coffee, including, and this is the important point, including a
pre-mixed pourover. I think Stu is assuming that we are dismissing his
technique untested when in reality we have found the technique in
question less than ideal and have simply moved on to our own vision of
the ideal brew method.
Don't get me wrong. I like the method of pre-mixed pourover. It makes
a very good cup of coffee and I actually use the method often when I am
trapped away from home with no FP. I do hate to see that shiny foam
sitting on top of the grounds before I dump the filter though. On the
other hand many see the FP as less than ideal because of the sludge
that they find at the bottom of the cup. I was actually in that school
of people before I got myself a high quality grinder that eliminated
nearly all of that sludge.
Don
Trying very hard not to add more rancor to what seems to be very a
contentious forum of late.
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 06:20:57
From: daveb
Subject: Re: sarcastic and insulting responses -- the usual.
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New Zealand would be a heavy toll, indeed.
Rob van Loenhout wrote:
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> > more sarcasm from fox -- who wants respect, --
> > but does not give it.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
> Quoting Dave in a previous post-
>
> <<<I pledge not to go after rg and fox, juvenile on my part.>>>
>
> So Dave do you make new years resolutions? I didn't see any conditions
> attached to your pledge. If you're going to "behave" then do so because
> you're above the crap, perceived or otherwise. Why do you feel the need to
> respond to posters that aren't interested. Ignore them and they will ignore
> you. You have advice to offer that is worth listening to, but the signal to
> noise ratio is variable.
>
> Your use of the word juvenile is accurate, a few weeks ago I started to
> believe many of the posts here were authored by 14 year olds. This was I
> might add after reading some of the exchanges between you and RH.
>
> I don't do toll calls.
>
> Been reading and occasionally posting to alt.coffee for around 6 years,
> about ready to give it away.
>
> Rob vL
> NZ
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 05:50:05
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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Why do I keep hearing a Monty Python line from "The Meaning of Life"
"Gosh, we're really all impressed down here."
Will (Who is ready to admit that Stu's method is absolutely,
positively, the best, cleanest, easiest, sexiest, tastiest, and most
environmentally friendly coffee-brewing method in the whole
galaxy....if only he will quit blathering on about it.)
BoyntonStu wrote:
> Dennis,
>
>
> You appear to be ignorant of my method.
>
> Let's first examine your claim about twice as much work.
>
> Both methods require heating the water and pouring it into a rewing
> vessel. Equal
>
> Stir - equal.
>
> Press down plunger - only in a FP.
>
> Pour from FP into drinking cup equals pouring from 2C&F through filter
> into drinking cup.
>
> Withdraw FP plunger - extra step.
>
> Rinse 1C&F compared to rinsing FP deeper vessel and perhaps taking
> filter apart to clean.
>
>
> As to a cooler cup, I heat the water in the drinking cup a little too
> hot.
>
> When I pour it into the brewing cup it cools to the correct temp. I
> add coffee at this point.
>
> The drinking cup remains warm until the coffee is served.
>
> How is your drinking cup pre-warmed?
>
>
> You are now informed and you have no reason to remain ignorant.
>
>
> The choice and the taste is individual, and I respect whatever method
> that satisfies your taste buds.
>
> I hope that I have clarified my 2C&F 25th method.
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Dennis R. wrote:
> > In article <1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > stu@aaronj.com says...
> > >
> > > Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
> > > > I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
> > > > difference in taste, at least to my taste.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > >
> > Yes. None of us are as ignorant as you think we are. I noticed no
> > appreciable difference in the coffee, the temperature dropped when
> > transferred to the extra cup, and I had twice as much work to do for
> > worse results. You seem to have stumbled on the twenty-fifth way to re-
> > invent the wheel, and don't yet realize that everybody else saw Euclides
> > jump out of his bath and run down the street shouting "Eureeka" years
> > ago. Talk about mono-mania.
> >
> > Dennis
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 04:18:45
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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Dennis,
You appear to be ignorant of my method.
Let's first examine your claim about twice as much work.
Both methods require heating the water and pouring it into a rewing
vessel. Equal
Stir - equal.
Press down plunger - only in a FP.
Pour from FP into drinking cup equals pouring from 2C&F through filter
into drinking cup.
Withdraw FP plunger - extra step.
Rinse 1C&F compared to rinsing FP deeper vessel and perhaps taking
filter apart to clean.
As to a cooler cup, I heat the water in the drinking cup a little too
hot.
When I pour it into the brewing cup it cools to the correct temp. I
add coffee at this point.
The drinking cup remains warm until the coffee is served.
How is your drinking cup pre-warmed?
You are now informed and you have no reason to remain ignorant.
The choice and the taste is individual, and I respect whatever method
that satisfies your taste buds.
I hope that I have clarified my 2C&F 25th method.
Stu
Dennis R. wrote:
> In article <1151459542.414390.122010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> stu@aaronj.com says...
> >
> > Dennis R. wrote: If I am going to use a Melitta,
> > > I can't see the point in dirtying an extra cup for no noticeable
> > > difference in taste, at least to my taste.
> >
> >
> > Have you tried dirtying an extra cup?
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> Yes. None of us are as ignorant as you think we are. I noticed no
> appreciable difference in the coffee, the temperature dropped when
> transferred to the extra cup, and I had twice as much work to do for
> worse results. You seem to have stumbled on the twenty-fifth way to re-
> invent the wheel, and don't yet realize that everybody else saw Euclides
> jump out of his bath and run down the street shouting "Eureeka" years
> ago. Talk about mono-mania.
>
> Dennis
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 13:33:07
From: Dennis R.
Subject: Re: 2 Cups and a Filter -- mean and insulting responses!
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In article <1151666325.661521.35520@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
stu@aaronj.com says...
> Dennis,
>
>
> You appear to be ignorant of my method.
>
> Let's first examine your claim about twice as much work.
>
> Both methods require heating the water and pouring it into a rewing
> vessel. Equal
>
> Stir - equal.
>
> Press down plunger - only in a FP.
>
> Pour from FP into drinking cup equals pouring from 2C&F through filter
> into drinking cup.
>
> Withdraw FP plunger - extra step.
>
> Rinse 1C&F compared to rinsing FP deeper vessel and perhaps taking
> filter apart to clean.
>
>
> As to a cooler cup, I heat the water in the drinking cup a little too
> hot.
>
> When I pour it into the brewing cup it cools to the correct temp. I
> add coffee at this point.
>
> The drinking cup remains warm until the coffee is served.
>
> How is your drinking cup pre-warmed?
>
>
> You are now informed and you have no reason to remain ignorant.
>
>
> The choice and the taste is individual, and I respect whatever method
> that satisfies your taste buds.
>
> I hope that I have clarified my 2C&F 25th method.
>
> Stu
I was talking about one Melitta filter and 1 cup versus your 1 filter and
2 cups. I was not talking about a French Press. That is why I said there
is twice as much work for no gain to me. Don't confuse me with someone
else. Of course when I use a FP I have to clean 2 vessels. That was not
what you were talking about, nor what I was talking about.
Dennis
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