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Date: 18 Aug 2006 15:19:57
From: Steve
Subject: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401223&in_page_id=1770
Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 09:42:33
From: daveb
Subject: Re: actor labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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yeah, Starbucks is SO opressive, hires illegals, and is the #1 conduit
for Chinese crap entering this country.
not.
why are you quoting 'actors' anyway?
Dave
Steve wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401223&in_page_id=1770
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> Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 09:42:22
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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yeah, Starbucks is SO opressive, hires illegals, and is the #1 conduit
for Chinese crap entering this country.
not.
why are you quoting 'actors' anyway?
Dave
Steve wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401223&in_page_id=1770
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> Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 10:24:18
From: Tim Blue
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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Personally I find peoples complaint with places like Walmart to be a
bit misguided.
I always hear people complain that they do not want them in their
neighborhood because they will kill off all of the local businesses.
It is not Walmart that kills off the businesses; it is the same people
that were so concerned about the Walmart to begin with.
If people still shopped at the local area businesses then they would
continue to stay open, but eventually almost everyone seems to go to
Walmart.
It is also frustrating that people always want bigger and "better", but
not too big. Our society praises growth and stability in business, but
only to a point. Once you get beyond a particular point you stop
winning growth awards, and get labeled a cancer.
Just my $0.02
~Tim
Steve wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401223&in_page_id=1770
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> Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 19:32:05
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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No, what killed them off is racism like this,
http://www.blackcommentator.com/173/173_cover_andy_young.html, followed by
more of the same like this,
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/15300931.htm.
To the degree that Wal-Mart employees more people of color than these "mom &
pop" stores they are very good for the communities they serve. That their
prices are also lower than the "mom & pop" stores is just one more benefit
of having Wal-Mart in the neighborhood.
Having a Starbucks in the hood is actually good for "mom & pop" coffee
shops. They establish a market for specialty coffee drinks & as the palates
of the consumer is educated they'll move on to more sophisticated specialty
coffee shops. Just in my immediate community there are now eight upscale
coffee shops whereas before BS (before Starbucks) there was one. First comes
Starbucks, then come customers, then comes the specialists, and that's where
the 'real' money is to be made.
--
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"Tim Blue" <tim@timothyblue.com > wrote in message
news:1155921858.040317.21780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Personally I find peoples complaint with places like Walmart to be a
> bit misguided.
>
> I always hear people complain that they do not want them in their
> neighborhood because they will kill off all of the local businesses.
>
> It is not Walmart that kills off the businesses; it is the same people
> that were so concerned about the Walmart to begin with.
>
> If people still shopped at the local area businesses then they would
> continue to stay open, but eventually almost everyone seems to go to
> Walmart.
>
> It is also frustrating that people always want bigger and "better", but
> not too big. Our society praises growth and stability in business, but
> only to a point. Once you get beyond a particular point you stop
> winning growth awards, and get labeled a cancer.
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> ~Tim
>
> Steve wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401223&in_page_id=1770
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>>
>> Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 20:34:38
From: bizbee
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:32:05 GMT in
<VAoFg.9401$xp2.5439@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net >, "Robert
Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > graced the world with this thought:
>Having a Starbucks in the hood is actually good for "mom & pop" coffee
>shops.
I don't see how having two Starbucks in a shopping center, or across
the street from each other, could possibly be good for independants,
particularly when people are brainwashed into bypassing a dozen
independants to get to a Starbucks "because they're terrific."
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 16:14:29
From: DougW
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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bizbee wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:32:05 GMT in
> "Robert> Harmon" graced the world with this thought:
>
>> Having a Starbucks in the hood is actually good for "mom & pop"
>> coffee shops.
>
> I don't see how having two Starbucks in a shopping center, or across
> the street from each other, could possibly be good for independants,
> particularly when people are brainwashed into bypassing a dozen
> independants to get to a Starbucks "because they're terrific."
It's the predatory contracts *$ signs to exclude competition.
Thankfully the good coffee houses around here are owner-operator
so they can't be pushed out.
--
DougW
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:39:34
From:
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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In alt.coffee, bizbee <tuberoo@earthlink.net > wrote:
> I don't see how having two Starbucks in a shopping center, or across
> the street from each other, could possibly be good for independants,
> particularly when people are brainwashed into bypassing a dozen
> independants to get to a Starbucks "because they're terrific."
It is entirely true that you can fool some of the people all of the time.
And at first, anyways, you can fool all of the people some of the time.
But eventually, most folks see through the bullshit, because you can't
fool all of the people all of the time.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 02:33:15
From: JavaGonzo
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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And all 8 of these coffee shops serve a better product both in content as
well as context?
Meaning, does the end-consumer actually benefit or not?
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:VAoFg.9401$xp2.5439@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> Having a Starbucks in the hood is actually good for "mom & pop" coffee
> shops. They establish a market for specialty coffee drinks & as the
palates
> of the consumer is educated they'll move on to more sophisticated
specialty
> coffee shops. Just in my immediate community there are now eight upscale
> coffee shops whereas before BS (before Starbucks) there was one. First
comes
> Starbucks, then come customers, then comes the specialists, and that's
where
> the 'real' money is to be made.
> --
> Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 02:53:05
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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Who cares? If the customer chooses to drink horse piss the wise manager will
make sure they can buy it at their shop. The benefits to the consumer
results from having more choices, not fewer. Starbucks is now only one of
eight in my community. That's great!
--
Robert (pro choice, for coffee houses) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"JavaGonzo" <javagonzo@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:LX8Gg.9611$%j7.6465@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> And all 8 of these coffee shops serve a better product both in content as
> well as context?
> Meaning, does the end-consumer actually benefit or not?
>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:VAoFg.9401$xp2.5439@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> Having a Starbucks in the hood is actually good for "mom & pop" coffee
>> shops. They establish a market for specialty coffee drinks & as the
> palates
>> of the consumer is educated they'll move on to more sophisticated
> specialty
>> coffee shops. Just in my immediate community there are now eight upscale
>> coffee shops whereas before BS (before Starbucks) there was one. First
> comes
>> Starbucks, then come customers, then comes the specialists, and that's
> where
>> the 'real' money is to be made.
>> --
>> Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
>
>
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:36:49
From:
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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In alt.coffee, Tim Blue <tim@timothyblue.com > wrote:
> It is also frustrating that people always want bigger and "better", but
> not too big.
Everyone loves a winner. Except for everyone else, who loves the
underdog.
It is no different than when folks run for office. They are all
"outsiders", even those who have been in office for decades.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 21:17:45
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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On 2006-08-18, Steve <not@use.net > wrote:
> Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
Reason for hope. If a twit who gets 3rd billing behind Jason
Alexander and monkey has a clue, that can't be bad.
nb
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 15:32:54
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:17:45 -0500, notbob <notbob@nothome.com > wrote:
>On 2006-08-18, Steve <not@use.net> wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
>
>Reason for hope. If a twit who gets 3rd billing behind Jason
>Alexander and monkey has a clue, that can't be bad.
>
>nb
That's the point.
Almost anywhere I travel in the U.S. I can find the identical
pseudo-Tuscan-architecture shopping center with the same 6 retailers.
I'm hoping for a revolt...or earthquake.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 11:48:34
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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On 2006-08-20, Steve <not@use.net > wrote:
> That's the point.
> Almost anywhere I travel in the U.S. I can find the identical
> pseudo-Tuscan-architecture shopping center with the same 6 retailers.
I call it the hundred yard boulevard. It's gotten so you can't what
town you're in.
> I'm hoping for a revolt...or earthquake.
What we're getting is fall and decline.
nb
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 18:10:04
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:48:34 -0500, notbob <notbob@nothome.com > wrote:
>What we're getting is fall and decline.
Let's hope it's simply the poor taste and self-centered myopia of an
adolescent culture.
Uh, wait a minute, I see your point :-)
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 07:07:38
From: Robster
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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On 20-Aug-2006, the Robster wrote:
> >On 2006-08-18, Steve <not@use.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
> >
> >Reason for hope. If a twit who gets 3rd billing behind Jason
> >Alexander and monkey has a clue, that can't be bad.
> >
> >nb
>
> That's the point.
> Almost anywhere I travel in the U.S. I can find the identical
> pseudo-Tuscan-architecture shopping center with the same 6 retailers.
> I'm hoping for a revolt...or earthquake.
Welcome to the United States of "Generica"
I moved from Texas to California. In Texas, when you leave a town,
you drive for awhile and then you arrive at another town.
In the Bay Area, when you leave a town you drive to the next
traffic light and you are in another town.
And you see the same strip malls with Chucky Cheese, Starbucks,
Blockbuster and a 24 hour Fitness Center.
Sheesh....
~Robt~
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 09:49:16
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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Steve <not@use.net > wrote:
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 14:02:47
From: George Max
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:19:57 GMT, Steve <not@use.net > wrote:
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401223&in_page_id=1770
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>Hmmmm, is this getting to be like Walmart backlash?
As if anything any actor has to say is of any more importance than the
average joe.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 22:43:25
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: Actor Everett labels Starbucks a 'cancer'
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Walmart provides health care for a fraction of its workers, and does what it
can to avoid it for the rest.
Starbucks has one of the best health care plans for ALL of its workers of
any corporation in America.
Not the same thing,
C
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