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Date: 01 Aug 2006 15:17:47
From: bernie
Subject: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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After failing to get the city to see the error of their ways and finding
out my attorney is the case hearing officer for these matters I decided
to fight paper with paper. I wrote out a check for the license renewal
fee and included the $10 for late fees. Then I filled out a "renewal"
application and used my old certificate number (the one they gave
away)and sent it all certified mail. I made copies of it and posted it
where the bidness certificate used to hang. I've done all I can to
appease the paper gods. Lets see what happens. I haven't heard from them
and it's been over a week since they would have recieved it.
Bernie (having learned paper warfare in the Army)
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 22:23:00
From: Bertie Doe
Subject: Re: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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"bernie" wrote in message
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> Bernie (having learned paper warfare in the Army)
Well, let's hope it proves your Salvation. -)
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:22:18
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0600, bernie <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote:
>After failing to get the city to see the error of their ways and finding
>out my attorney is the case hearing officer for these matters I decided
>to fight paper with paper. I wrote out a check for the license renewal
>fee and included the $10 for late fees. Then I filled out a "renewal"
>application and used my old certificate number (the one they gave
>away)and sent it all certified mail. I made copies of it and posted it
>where the bidness certificate used to hang. I've done all I can to
>appease the paper gods. Lets see what happens. I haven't heard from them
>and it's been over a week since they would have recieved it.
>Bernie (having learned paper warfare in the Army)
Just make sure you don't disappear like Tuttle in Brazil...
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 11:44:45
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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First, FTWGAS is a new acronym for me and even all knowing Google was no
help. What does it mean?
2nd, if your attny represents the city as the hearing officer, I assume he
disqualified himself when you went to see him for advice. He probably has to
disqualify himself if it comes to an actual hearing as well.
Good luck with your approach, but I have no confidence that it will bear
fruit. They will probably just mail it back with "wrong certificate #" or
"certificate expired" rubber stamped on it and you will be back where you
started.
My earlier advice stands - find out who was the hearing officer before your
attorney had that job, or the last guy who was the chief inspector and hire
him to represent you before the bureaucracy - they will treat their old
friend a lot differently than they treat you. Or work your local connections
from the top down - contact the mayor or your council person, etc. and have
them try to untangle the mess.
"bernie" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:44cfc4fd$1@nntp.zianet.com...
> After failing to get the city to see the error of their ways and finding
> out my attorney is the case hearing officer for these matters I decided to
> fight paper with paper. I wrote out a check for the license renewal fee
> and included the $10 for late fees. Then I filled out a "renewal"
> application and used my old certificate number (the one they gave away)and
> sent it all certified mail. I made copies of it and posted it where the
> bidness certificate used to hang. I've done all I can to appease the paper
> gods. Lets see what happens. I haven't heard from them and it's been over
> a week since they would have recieved it.
> Bernie (having learned paper warfare in the Army)
>
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:58:12
From: bernie
Subject: Re: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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Jack Denver wrote:
> First, FTWGAS is a new acronym for me and even all knowing Google was no
> help. What does it mean?
For those who give a *hit.
>
> 2nd, if your attny represents the city as the hearing officer, I assume he
> disqualified himself when you went to see him for advice. He probably has to
> disqualify himself if it comes to an actual hearing as well.
Yep on both counts. Actually he was on vacation and his secretary
forgot he was the hearing officer so made the appointment which she
later cancelled.
>
> Good luck with your approach, but I have no confidence that it will bear
> fruit. They will probably just mail it back with "wrong certificate #" or
> "certificate expired" rubber stamped on it and you will be back where you
> started.
Probably right, Jack.
>
> My earlier advice stands - find out who was the hearing officer before your
> attorney had that job, or the last guy who was the chief inspector and hire
> him to represent you before the bureaucracy - they will treat their old
> friend a lot differently than they treat you. Or work your local connections
> from the top down - contact the mayor or your council person, etc. and have
> them try to untangle the mess.
I'm counting on the inherent laziness I observed in the staff when I
went down twice to get it paid and re-issued. Will it be easier to take
my money and issue a new number to me (fine by me) or will it be more
work in the long run for them to return it to me and continue the
silliness?
Bernie
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:55:11
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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bernie <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote:
> I'm counting on the inherent laziness I observed in the staff when I
>went down twice to get it paid and re-issued. Will it be easier to take
>my money and issue a new number to me (fine by me) or will it be more
>work in the long run for them to return it to me and continue the
>silliness?
>
Try to get them to make copies of all your records. That might
motivate them to make things easy on everyone... or not.. just might
piss them off completely..
Randy "usually works for me that way" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 17:02:16
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:44:45 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
>First, FTWGAS is a new acronym for me and even all knowing Google was no
>help. What does it mean?
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For Those Who Give A Shit?
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:53:11
From: bernie
Subject: Re: Bidness Certificate Update FTWGAS
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Barry Jarrett wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:44:45 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
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> >First, FTWGAS is a new acronym for me and even all knowing Google was no
> >help. What does it mean?
> >
>
>
> For Those Who Give A Shit?
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>
Ding Ding Ding. Somedays that doesn't even include me.
Bernie
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