| |
Main
Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:02:36
From: fpsoft
Subject: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
I have Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia MDF grinder. If i use Illy beans, i can't
have a good coffee, too "liquid" and no cream. I grind at 5 or 4 with MDF.
Using another coffee (Saicaf - it costs 1/5 of Illy) everything is fine. Any
hint, tip, clue?
|
|
| |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 08:25:35
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
You may also like Lavazza.
Dave "s7hm" b
fpsoft wrote:
> "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote...
> > Saicaf probably has robusta so it gives lots of crema.
>
> Confirmed.
|
| |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 10:55:47
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
Saicaf probably has robusta so it gives lots of crema.
"fpsoft" <fpsoft1NOSPAM@hotmail.it > wrote in message
news:e9asi0$rli$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>I have Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia MDF grinder. If i use Illy beans, i can't
> have a good coffee, too "liquid" and no cream. I grind at 5 or 4 with MDF.
> Using another coffee (Saicaf - it costs 1/5 of Illy) everything is fine.
> Any
> hint, tip, clue?
>
>
>
|
| | |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 17:08:00
From: fpsoft
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote...
> Saicaf probably has robusta so it gives lots of crema.
Confirmed.
|
| |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 10:35:50
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
fpsoft wrote:
> I have Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia MDF grinder. If i use Illy beans, i can't
> have a good coffee, too "liquid" and no cream. I grind at 5 or 4 with MDF.
> Using another coffee (Saicaf - it costs 1/5 of Illy) everything is fine. Any
> hint, tip, clue?
Patient to dor:
"It hurts when I do this."
Dor:
"Don't do that."
--
St. John
I used to work in a fire hydrant factory. You couldn't park anywhere
near the place.
-Steven Wright
|
| | |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:47:17
From: fpsoft
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
"St. John Smythe" <sinjen@n4vu.com > wrote...
> fpsoft wrote:
>> If i use Illy beans, i can't
>> have a good coffee, too "liquid" and no cream.
>
> Patient to dor:
> "It hurts when I do this."
>
> Dor:
> "Don't do that."
Received ;-)
|
| | |
Date: 16 Jul 2006 07:43:14
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
"St. John Smythe" <sinjen@n4vu.com > wrote:
>Patient to dor:
>"It hurts when I do this."
>
>Dor:
>"Don't do that."
PATIENT: "After the operation will I be able to make good espresso
with Illy beans?"
DOR: "Sure. I do not see why not."
PATIENT: "That's funny. I couldn't make good espresso with Illy beans
_BEFORE_ the operation."
Randy "try the tofu" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
|
| |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 07:24:39
From: daveb
Subject: Re: stale Illy beans
|
In my experience w/ Illy, it is just too stale to get a decent result.
It is MONTHS old by the time it gets here, and after opening REALLY
stales fast. Switch to your other brand!
NOTHING wrong with your equipment.
regards
DAve "ft567h" b
www.hitechespresso.com
fpsoft wrote:
> I have Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia MDF grinder. If i use Illy beans, i can't
> have a good coffee, too "liquid" and no cream. I grind at 5 or 4 with MDF.
> Using another coffee (Saicaf - it costs 1/5 of Illy) everything is fine. Any
> hint, tip, clue?
|
| | |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:52:47
From: fpsoft
Subject: Re: stale Illy beans
|
"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote...
> In my experience w/ Illy, it is just too stale to get a decent result.
> It is MONTHS old by the time it gets here, and after opening REALLY
> stales fast. Switch to your other brand!
Surprising, i live in Italy and Illy beans should be fresh. Anyway,
understood
and thanks.
|
| | | |
Date: 16 Jul 2006 06:44:57
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: stale Illy beans
|
"fpsoft" <fpsoft1NOSPAM@hotmail.it > wrote:
|
| | | | |
Date: 16 Jul 2006 09:18:20
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: stale Illy beans
|
Not "stores" but "ages", like wine, if you ask Illy. They are aged/stored in
an inert gas environment so they don't stale. This must cost them no small
amount of $ to do and Illy swears up and down that it is beneficial to
flavor.
What has not been studied, or at least Illy hasn't told us, is what happens
to such beans once the are taken out of the inert environment. I suspect
that like a very old wine, for some reason the oxidation (staling) reaction
proceeds much more quickly than for recently roasted beans. For Illy's
primary (bar) market, this probably makes no difference - ideally from the
time one of Illy's grinder top tins is opened until the time it is gone is
only a few hours in a busy bar. But for home use it seems to present a
problem.
"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:44b9df2d.3669536@localhost...
> "fpsoft" <fpsoft1NOSPAM@hotmail.it> wrote:
>
>
|
| | | | | |
Date: 16 Jul 2006 21:00:46
From: Ivo van der Putten
Subject: Re: stale Illy beans
|
Jack Denver schreef:
> Not "stores" but "ages", like wine, if you ask Illy. They are aged/stored in
> an inert gas environment so they don't stale. This must cost them no small
> amount of $ to do and Illy swears up and down that it is beneficial to
> flavor.
>
> What has not been studied, or at least Illy hasn't told us, is what happens
> to such beans once the are taken out of the inert environment. I suspect
> that like a very old wine, for some reason the oxidation (staling) reaction
> proceeds much more quickly than for recently roasted beans. For Illy's
> primary (bar) market, this probably makes no difference - ideally from the
> time one of Illy's grinder top tins is opened until the time it is gone is
> only a few hours in a busy bar. But for home use it seems to present a
> problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> "D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
> news:44b9df2d.3669536@localhost...
>> "fpsoft" <fpsoft1NOSPAM@hotmail.it> wrote:
>>
>>
|
| |
Date: 15 Jul 2006 20:03:42
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
fpsoft wrote:
> I have Gaggia Espresso and Gaggia MDF grinder. If i use Illy beans, i can't
> have a good coffee, too "liquid" and no cream. I grind at 5 or 4 with MDF.
> Using another coffee (Saicaf - it costs 1/5 of Illy) everything is fine. Any
> hint, tip, clue?
>
>
>
Grind finer, aiming for 2fl oz in 20-30 seconds for a double, if the
shot is too fast. Ensure the machine is heated properly etc. If your
other blend has more Robusta, it will be more forgiving and will
produce a better looking shot with less effort.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
|
| |
Date: 16 Jul 2006 04:34:34
From: razmoo
Subject: Re: stale Illy beans
|
> Even in Italy, Illy beans are stale - the company intentionally stores them
> for something like 8 months before distributing them.
@_@ thats insane
|
| |
Date: 17 Jul 2006 14:35:43
From: Dan
Subject: Re: Can't make a good coffee with Illy beans
|
Danny wrote:
> Alex_chef2000 wrote:
>
> Not so, in my experience. I've run out of coffee in the
> trailer and had to dash to the supermarket for emergency
> suuplies, where Illy (red) tins were all that was available.
> They produced a good looking shot (plenty of crema etc) on
> my commercial lever machines, but didn't have the taste etc.
>
A couple of years ago, I rather liked illy and kept a can or 2 for
"emergemcies", My tastes seem to have changed, and I find something
like caffe nero bags of undeerminable age give a better tasting cup
(but my home roast is da best!)
|
|
