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Date: 15 Jun 2006 20:54:23
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Subject: Coffee Plants
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Straw-poll:
Wondering how many altie folks have a coffee plant.
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I was given a neglected 7 year old plant that
was in a vendor warehouse, largely without light or
water.
Following the instructions from a U-Hawaii Phd candidate
in Coffee Botany: I stumped it back to 1/3 its height
(originally 4.5 feet high) and repotted it with
gourmet flower garden soil.
Now it thrives - so much so that I have taken cuttings
in hopes of growing some babies.
Colin
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 14:28:50
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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I have several and, contrary to what you may hear, they are extremely
easy to grow. At least down in here in Florida.
I get a few cherries but nothing to harvest....
Pretty little plants, though.
Will
rnewell@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> Straw-poll:
>
> Wondering how many altie folks have a coffee plant.
> --------------------------------------------------
> I was given a neglected 7 year old plant that
> was in a vendor warehouse, largely without light or
> water.
> Following the instructions from a U-Hawaii Phd candidate
> in Coffee Botany: I stumped it back to 1/3 its height
> (originally 4.5 feet high) and repotted it with
> gourmet flower garden soil.
>
> Now it thrives - so much so that I have taken cuttings
> in hopes of growing some babies.
>
> Colin
>
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 15:16:37
From:
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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On 15 Jun 2006 14:28:50 -0700, "Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com >
wrote:
>I have several and, contrary to what you may hear, they are extremely
>easy to grow. At least down in here in Florida.
>
>I get a few cherries but nothing to harvest....
>
>Pretty little plants, though.
>
>Will
>
>
>
>rnewell@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
>> Straw-poll:
>
Different coffee plants, and there are lots of varieties, grow
differently. There is one which is practically a house plant that was
discussed here- don't remember its variety though.
Good luck and keep up the good work.
Oh btw, this altie has thousands for that straw poll:)
aloha,
Cea
smithfarms.com
farmers of pure Kona
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 04:13:31
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beans@smithfarms.com wrote:
> Different coffee plants, and there are lots of varieties, grow
> differently. There is one which is practically a house plant that was
> discussed here- don't remember its variety though.
> Good luck and keep up the good work.
For the record, my plant is direct from Costa Rica - Terazzo actually
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 16:30:26
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beans@smithfarms.com wrote:
> Oh btw, this altie has thousands for that straw poll:)
> aloha,
> Cea
Slightly OT: I am looking for a Kona based farm
to spend a few days (or a week) working on during
harvest. Do you know of any farms there that allow
or encourage tourist coffee picking during harvest?
Colin -
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 12:26:07
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:30:26 +0000 (UTC), rnewell@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
>beans@smithfarms.com wrote:
>> Oh btw, this altie has thousands for that straw poll:)
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
>Slightly OT: I am looking for a Kona based farm
>to spend a few days (or a week) working on during
>harvest. Do you know of any farms there that allow
>or encourage tourist coffee picking during harvest?
>
>Colin -
>
>
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No I don't because it is so busy, but perhaps an advertisement in our
daily West Hawaii Paper. I know you are above the average Colin, but
I have gotten 2 notes like that this week and they ramp up as the
season gets closer. Maybe contact one of the huge farms like
Greenwell's or Captain Cook, citing your advanced background.
Or perhaps that coffee buddy at UH might know:).
aloha,
Cea
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 05:00:21
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beans@smithfarms.com wrote:
> Maybe contact one of the huge farms like
> Greenwell's or Captain Cook, citing your advanced background.
> Or perhaps that coffee buddy at UH might know:).
Mahalo Cea - Shawn has put me in touch with a farmer who has
a small estate in Kona and a fully equiped cabin (for rent)
during harvest and processing.
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 22:30:33
From:
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Omniryx@gmail.com <Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote:
> I have several and, contrary to what you may hear, they are extremely
> easy to grow. At least down in here in Florida.
I would imagine, in Florida, that the average coffee
plant would be in 7th-heaven, provided you kept it
out of the direct sun and watered it occasionally.
Mine is at the 49th parallel - (North of Seattle)
and gets about 15 hours of intense, but subdued and indirect,
sunlight every day (provided that it is a bright day to start with).
It averages 1" of vertical growth and 2" of horizontal growth
weekly at the moment. Going (growing) like crazy.
Colin
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 05:04:05
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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Quoth rnewell@vcn.bc.ca:
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 15:55:34
From: AlanM
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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I have one tree, two feet high, on my south Florida balcony. It seems happy
as a clam to be out of Pittsburgh. I may try to give it company. My
Pittsburgh attempts wasted many beans before one finally germinated.
Any suggestions for a more positive yield?
AlanM
<rnewell@vcn.bc.ca > wrote in message news:e6shdv$s3$2@luna.vcn.bc.ca...
> Straw-poll:
>
> Wondering how many altie folks have a coffee plant.
> --------------------------------------------------
> I was given a neglected 7 year old plant that
> was in a vendor warehouse, largely without light or
> water.
> Following the instructions from a U-Hawaii Phd candidate
> in Coffee Botany: I stumped it back to 1/3 its height
> (originally 4.5 feet high) and repotted it with
> gourmet flower garden soil.
>
> Now it thrives - so much so that I have taken cuttings
> in hopes of growing some babies.
>
> Colin
>
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> www.coffeecrew.com Colin Newell's Daily Grind
> rnewell AT vcn DOT bc DOT ca
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 23:06:52
From:
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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AlanM <michael1943@comcast.net > wrote:
> I have one tree, two feet high, on my south Florida balcony. It seems happy
> as a clam to be out of Pittsburgh. I may try to give it company. My
> Pittsburgh attempts wasted many beans before one finally germinated.
> Any suggestions for a more positive yield?
Well - I have just taken 3 cuttings. Some are in
potting soil and some are in water with some liquid
plant food. According to the experts, I have a 50-70%
chance of success with my cuttings.
Colin -
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 09:53:14
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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In <e6shdv$s3$2@luna.vcn.bc.ca >, on Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:54:23 +0000
(UTC), rnewell@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> Straw-poll:
>
> Wondering how many altie folks have a coffee plant.
> --------------------------------------------------
How about "had?"
> I was given a neglected 7 year old plant that
> was in a vendor warehouse, largely without light or
> water.
> Following the instructions from a U-Hawaii Phd candidate
> in Coffee Botany: I stumped it back to 1/3 its height
> (originally 4.5 feet high) and repotted it with
> gourmet flower garden soil.
Ours was 6 feet tall and bore fruit after three years.
I don't know if that's extraordinary or not.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 16:28:08
From:
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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Steve Ackman <steve@snip-this.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:
> Ours was 6 feet tall and bore fruit after three years.
> I don't know if that's extraordinary or not.
Very normal -- they usually need 2 years.
According to coffee botanist friend at U/hawaii,
you can actually force them to over-bear in
late fall by underwatering them...
If you stump or train them, once again, the new growth will
take 2 seasons before it will flower.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 12:22:56
From:
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:28:08 +0000 (UTC), rnewell@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
>Steve Ackman <steve@snip-this.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>> Ours was 6 feet tall and bore fruit after three years.
>> I don't know if that's extraordinary or not.
>
>Very normal -- they usually need 2 years.
>According to coffee botanist friend at U/hawaii,
>you can actually force them to over-bear in
>late fall by underwatering them...
>
>If you stump or train them, once again, the new growth will
>take 2 seasons before it will flower.
>
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Hmmm I don't have enough time but I question your UH Botanist on
several points. Who is this person? Sorry Colin. I know of one book
written by the UH but there are many incorrect facts. Well as far as
real farming goes and not test patches.
Force coffee to overbear? We have no water at the time of year
generally.
Whatever growth you have in his season will flower in the next season.
aloha,
Cea
Cea
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 23:05:18
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beans@smithfarms.com wrote:
> Hmmm I don't have enough time but I question your UH Botanist on
> several points. Who is this person? Sorry Colin. I know of one book
> written by the UH but there are many incorrect facts. Well as far as
> real farming goes and not test patches.
I hear you -- it is phd-candidate Shawn S.
and granted, I may be mis-quoting him
So - shoot the messenger... me. ;-)
And yes - there are test patches aplenty at UH.
Me: I am still learning.
Colin
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Date: 20 Jun 2006 00:55:57
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 06:14:59
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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I want one. should grow OK in NC, I would think.
Dave
82 silvias
rnewell@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> Straw-poll:
>
> Wondering how many altie folks have a coffee plant.
> --------------------------------------------------
> I was given a neglected 7 year old plant that
> was in a vendor warehouse, largely without light or
> water.
> Following the instructions from a U-Hawaii Phd candidate
> in Coffee Botany: I stumped it back to 1/3 its height
> (originally 4.5 feet high) and repotted it with
> gourmet flower garden soil.
>
> Now it thrives - so much so that I have taken cuttings
> in hopes of growing some babies.
>
> Colin
>
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> www.coffeecrew.com Colin Newell's Daily Grind
> rnewell AT vcn DOT bc DOT ca
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 05:02:37
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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For the record, my plants begin as a single reject from Lowe's Home
Center that I picked up for a buck ninety nine. The rest were
propagated effortlessly. But as to what variety, I haven't a clue.
Just a pretty, ornamental plant.
Oh, and I agree with the previous writer. Don't worry that new plants
look tall and spindly. That's normal, so far as I can tell. They fill
out.
Will
Donn Cave wrote:
> Quoth rnewell@vcn.bc.ca:
> ...
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 05:44:19
From: wascher@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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I visited a couple of plantations in Australia during a vacation last
year.
Normally coffee plants bear year round, so any plant has buds, flowers,
green cherries, ripe cherries at the same time. That translates into a
lot of labor as workers have to pick year round, and they have to
choose just the ripe berries.
Farms that use automation to pick the berries force the plants to bear
all at once, in late fall. The machinery picks all of the berries, it
can't just choose the ripe ones. They withold water for months, as you
described. Then they irrigate, and the plants respond to the stress by
blooming all at once. This way the cherries ripen at about the same
time. The cherrries are picked, they discard the green fruit, but they
leave the overripe fruit in (it seems it adds "character" to the
coffee).
So I'm not sure that the plants overbear, rather they bear the entire
crop at once.
--MikeW
rnewell@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> Steve Ackman <steve@snip-this.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
> > Ours was 6 feet tall and bore fruit after three years.
> > I don't know if that's extraordinary or not.
>
> Very normal -- they usually need 2 years.
> According to coffee botanist friend at U/hawaii,
> you can actually force them to over-bear in
> late fall by underwatering them...
>
> If you stump or train them, once again, the new growth will
> take 2 seasons before it will flower.
>
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 02:07:29
From:
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wascher@gmail.com <wascher@gmail.com > wrote:
> They withold water for months, as you
> described. Then they irrigate, and the plants respond to the stress by
> blooming all at once. This way the cherries ripen at about the same
> time. The cherrries are picked, they discard the green fruit, but they
> leave the overripe fruit in (it seems it adds "character" to the
> coffee).
> So I'm not sure that the plants overbear, rather they bear the entire
> crop at once.
That sounds more like it - thanks!
Colin
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 05:34:21
From: Filmdave
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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I have two, both about 5 foot tall and 5 or 6 years old. They were
really touch and go for the first 3 years, dropping all their leaves
and looking almost dead, but my wife managed to bring them back. They
seemed to have some sort of scale that we fought off and on the whole
time. Got our first flowers this year, no cherries yet. At this rate
I'll have pound for Barry to roast about 2030. Hey Bar, can you put me
on your calendar?
Dave
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 02:57:49
From:
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Picked up a 'new' coffee plant at a local general
store --
photos here: http://tinyurl.com/kdtpa
$1.99 reduced from $4.99 - totally neglected.
Watch its progress online. ;-)
Colin
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 19:48:26
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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Donn Cave asks:
> By the way, what is the wood like, anyone ever try to work it?
> Portafilter handles, for example?
Les makes things from it, including tampers. He also makes portafilter
handles ...
http://thortamper.com
Felix
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Date: 20 Jun 2006 12:39:33
From: prosenfe@atl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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Will the green beans I use for roasting germinate if I plant them?
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Date: 20 Jun 2006 17:22:46
From: AlanM
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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I went through several dozen beans, of all verities, before one finally
germinated. The only one ever to germinate for me.
Now that it sits on the balcony in south Florida it is happy as a clam. Its
first three years in Pittsburgh were less than joyous.
The tree is 18" tall and about that wide. Not a sign of a flower yet, but
hope spring eternal.
AlanM
<prosenfe@atl.lmco.com > wrote in message
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> Will the green beans I use for roasting germinate if I plant them?
>
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Date: 22 Jun 2006 22:34:40
From:
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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I have been working on a $1.99 special
I found at a local garden centre a week ago.
Considering that my big plant, "Juan de Fuca"
grows about 1/2" a week, this little one
looks like it is either in shock or suspended animation.
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Date: 20 Jun 2006 13:55:41
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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<prosenfe@atl.lmco.com > wrote in message
news:1150832372.951877.214420@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
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> Will the green beans I use for roasting germinate if I plant them?
>
Maybe.
Let us know how many do :-)
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Date: 21 Jun 2006 04:51:52
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: Coffee Plants
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Quoth "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com >:
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