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Date: 13 Jun 2006 09:33:03
From: John Crankshaw
Subject: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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I'm a long time lurker, sometimes poster. I learned how to do espresso right
from this group. Thanks. But now a new challenge...
I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
coffee.
Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and put
it over my little Coleman camp stove. Or a large thermal carafe and buy tank
coffee on the road.
Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
solution.
John
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 08:57:41
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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"John Crankshaw" <jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>Without reliable AC power......
Honda has some really great, small, quiet, easily carried generators
that aren't much bugger than a carry-on piece of luggage. Look into
renting one if you can't afford to buy one. They are so quiet that you
can stand next to one and have a normal conversation.
Randy "done it" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 07:01:36
From: Jim_F
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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P.S. (no pun intended) The laxative and diuretic effects of caffeine
aren't a great complement to the the sweet elation of the open road.
Jim_F wrote:
> As much as I like coffee, it's never been
> high on my list of bicycle touring needs.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 05:37:28
From: John S.
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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John Crankshaw wrote:
> I'm a long time lurker, sometimes poster. I learned how to do espresso right
> from this group. Thanks. But now a new challenge...
>
> I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
> cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
> afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
> coffee.
>
> Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and put
> it over my little Coleman camp stove. Or a large thermal carafe and buy tank
> coffee on the road.
>
> Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
> moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
> solution.
>
> John
If this is a group of serious riders you might find that many of them
won't drink coffee on the road. Also, no matter the level of
experience, they will have been using pedal power to negotiate those
hills so a hot drink might be the last thing they want at noon. Might
be worth asking about their wants beforehand. As to quality, unless
this is a Coffee Club Bike Tour I would just depend on McDonalds, 7-11
and the like to keep a thermal jug filled.
Keep plenty of coffee for the sag wagon jockeys tho!
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 13:04:53
From: Randy R
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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"John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote in message
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> As to quality, unless
> this is a Coffee Club Bike Tour I would just depend on McDonalds, 7-11
> and the like to keep a thermal jug filled.
>
Burger King usually has much better coffee than McD, etc because it's made
from concentrate. This is the only coffee I will drink on the road when I
can't find real coffee anywhere.
Randy R
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 20:09:39
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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When I was doing distance riding (centuries or more), one time I made a
dilute concion of water, coffee, sugar and salt. It tasted good but was
terrible for the endurance. CytoMax and Powerbars were all I would normally
eat/drink.
--
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Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
ed at homeroaster dot com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
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"John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote in message
news:1150202248.201339.276910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> If this is a group of serious riders you might find that many of them
> won't drink coffee on the road. Also, no matter the level of
> experience, they will have been using pedal power to negotiate those
> hills so a hot drink might be the last thing they want at noon. Might
> be worth asking about their wants beforehand. As to quality, unless
> this is a Coffee Club Bike Tour I would just depend on McDonalds, 7-11
> and the like to keep a thermal jug filled.
>
> Keep plenty of coffee for the sag wagon jockeys tho!
>
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 05:26:21
From: Jim_F
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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I've been on a lot of bicycle tours, and there's no substitute for
efficiency or simplicity. You'll have plenty to do, including lots that
you're not yet expecting. As much as I like coffee, it's never been
high on my list of bicycle touring needs. Usually a single cup with
breakfast.
For the sake of your sanity, consider going with a thermal server of
some kind and utilize coffee shops or convenience stores where
possible. A more elaborate extraction would be a fun treat, but I can't
imagine you'd want to deal with it for eight straight days.
In the heat of the day, give me cool water, Gatorade, fresh fruit and
oatmeal cookies anytime.
John Crankshaw wrote:
> I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
> cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
> afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
> coffee.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 05:00:29
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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Would it really be a lot more trouble to use a press? I don't use
them, myself, but aren't there some big ones around?
Nearly anything would be better than boiled percolator coffee from a
big aluminum urn.
Will
DavidMLewis wrote:
> John Crankshaw wrote:
> > I'm a long time lurker, sometimes poster. I learned how to do espresso right
> > from this group. Thanks. But now a new challenge...
> >
> > I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
> > cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
> > afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
> > coffee.
> >
> > Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and put
> > it over my little Coleman camp stove. Or a large thermal carafe and buy tank
> > coffee on the road.
> >
> > Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
> > moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
> > solution.
> >
> Without AC power, it's going to be rough to deliver any kind of real
> quality, not because of the coffeemaker but because of the grinder. If
> you want to try, and time is of the essence, here's what I'd do:
>
> Pre-grind 20-cup portions of coffee, at a drip grind. Sew them into
> pre-washed pillowcases from the Goodwill, and vacuum pack them
> immediately. At the stop, boil water any way you can in a stainless
> urn. When the bubbling ceases, throw in a pillowcase and stir for about
> four minutes, then remove and squeeze. Serve and run.
>
> Best,
> David
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 04:41:30
From: DavidMLewis
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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John Crankshaw wrote:
> I'm a long time lurker, sometimes poster. I learned how to do espresso right
> from this group. Thanks. But now a new challenge...
>
> I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
> cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
> afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
> coffee.
>
> Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and put
> it over my little Coleman camp stove. Or a large thermal carafe and buy tank
> coffee on the road.
>
> Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
> moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
> solution.
>
Without AC power, it's going to be rough to deliver any kind of real
quality, not because of the coffeemaker but because of the grinder. If
you want to try, and time is of the essence, here's what I'd do:
Pre-grind 20-cup portions of coffee, at a drip grind. Sew them into
pre-washed pillowcases from the Goodwill, and vacuum pack them
immediately. At the stop, boil water any way you can in a stainless
urn. When the bubbling ceases, throw in a pillowcase and stir for about
four minutes, then remove and squeeze. Serve and run.
Best,
David
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 20:05:43
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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I just went through three pounds of coffee in two mornings of camping with
the FOSSILS/LAGERS homebrew clubs annual camping trip. I used a turkey
fryer stove to heat a 20 quart stainless pot of water. I dipped into the
boiling water with a stainless percolator pot, and poured over a Melitta #6
cone/pot setup, and poured the finished brew into a thermos. Next time I
have to make that much, I'll take two Melitta cone/pots and two thermos
jugs. The first way worked fine, but there were a few delays between pots.
Coffee was my homeroast, preground at home.
--
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Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
ed at homeroaster dot com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
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"John Crankshaw" <jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:jDvjg.21402$mF2.9045@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> I'm a long time lurker, sometimes poster. I learned how to do espresso
> right from this group. Thanks. But now a new challenge...
>
> I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
> cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
> afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
> coffee.
>
> Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and
> put it over my little Coleman camp stove. Or a large thermal carafe and
> buy tank coffee on the road.
>
> Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
> moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
> solution.
>
> John
>
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 11:45:32
From: shane
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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Opps, I should have read more thouroghly before typing.
In that case, why not pack a generator? Bring along the espresso
machine and grinder, too.
If one is running a vehicle, could you get enough power with an
inverter to boil water on something?
Shane
Randy G. wrote:
> The OP sated, "I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour
> for 20 adult cyclists..." A sag wagon is a following vehicle that
> carries gear, food, and emergency supplies, and picks up cyclists who
> are unable to complete the ride.
>
> Randy "never needed one" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>
> "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >Just curious, would one want to carry anything even as big as piece of
> >luggage on a bicylce?
> >
> >Shane
> >
> >Randy G. wrote:
> >> "John Crankshaw" <jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Without reliable AC power......
> >>
> >> Honda has some really great, small, quiet, easily carried generators
> >> that aren't much bugger than a carry-on piece of luggage. Look into
> >> renting one if you can't afford to buy one. They are so quiet that you
> >> can stand next to one and have a normal conversation.
> >>
> >>
> >> Randy "done it" G.
> >> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 14:09:33
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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Look below for my reply in your own post!
Randy "at least I read me" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
;-)
"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote:
>
>Opps, I should have read more thouroghly before typing.
>
>In that case, why not pack a generator? Bring along the espresso
>machine and grinder, too.
>If one is running a vehicle, could you get enough power with an
>inverter to boil water on something?
>
>Shane
>
>Randy G. wrote:
>> The OP sated, "I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour
>> for 20 adult cyclists..." A sag wagon is a following vehicle that
>> carries gear, food, and emergency supplies, and picks up cyclists who
>> are unable to complete the ride.
>>
>> Randy "never needed one" G.
>> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>>
>>
>>
>> "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Just curious, would one want to carry anything even as big as piece of
>> >luggage on a bicylce?
>> >
>> >Shane
>> >
>> >Randy G. wrote:
>> >> "John Crankshaw" <jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Without reliable AC power......
>> >>VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
>> >> Honda has some really great, small, quiet, easily carried generators
>> >> that aren't much bugger than a carry-on piece of luggage. Look into
>> >> renting one if you can't afford to buy one. They are so quiet that you
>> >> can stand next to one and have a normal conversation.
>> >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>
>> >> Randy "done it" G.
>> >> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 10:42:35
From: shane
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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Just curious, would one want to carry anything even as big as piece of
luggage on a bicylce?
Shane
Randy G. wrote:
> "John Crankshaw" <jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Without reliable AC power......
>
> Honda has some really great, small, quiet, easily carried generators
> that aren't much bugger than a carry-on piece of luggage. Look into
> renting one if you can't afford to buy one. They are so quiet that you
> can stand next to one and have a normal conversation.
>
>
> Randy "done it" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 10:56:29
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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The OP sated, "I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour
for 20 adult cyclists..." A sag wagon is a following vehicle that
carries gear, food, and emergency supplies, and picks up cyclists who
are unable to complete the ride.
Randy "never needed one" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote:
>
>Just curious, would one want to carry anything even as big as piece of
>luggage on a bicylce?
>
>Shane
>
>Randy G. wrote:
>> "John Crankshaw" <jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Without reliable AC power......
>>
>> Honda has some really great, small, quiet, easily carried generators
>> that aren't much bugger than a carry-on piece of luggage. Look into
>> renting one if you can't afford to buy one. They are so quiet that you
>> can stand next to one and have a normal conversation.
>>
>>
>> Randy "done it" G.
>> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 22:46:38
From: ensenadajim
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:33:03 GMT, "John Crankshaw"
<jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>I'm a long time lurker, sometimes poster. I learned how to do espresso right
>from this group. Thanks. But now a new challenge...
>
>I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
>cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
>afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
>coffee.
>
>Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and put
>it over my little Coleman camp stove. Or a large thermal carafe and buy tank
>coffee on the road.
>
>Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
>moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
>solution.
>
> John
>
GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
Although, I agree as a bike rider, that coffee may not be high on the
rider's wants mid-ride.
jim
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 10:57:05
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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In <oe8v829eg1r66tkv47r9mp7sf11f48s2bq@4ax.com >, on Tue, 13 Jun 2006
22:46:38 -0700, ensenadajim wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:33:03 GMT, "John Crankshaw"
><jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
>>moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
>>solution.
>>
>> John
>
> GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
> pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
>
> jim
Given 1000 watt draw for any coffee pot that'll brew
in a decent time frame (or kettle that'll heat in
same) and 90% effeciency of the inverter, you'll need
about 93 amps @ 12VDC. I don't know what a plu is,
but I doubt they come rated for 100 amps. ;-)
This is the sort of situation where you want to
keep your cables as short as possible.
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 19:04:59
From: ensenadajim
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:57:05 -0400, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:
>In <oe8v829eg1r66tkv47r9mp7sf11f48s2bq@4ax.com>, on Tue, 13 Jun 2006
>22:46:38 -0700, ensenadajim wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:33:03 GMT, "John Crankshaw"
>><jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
>>>moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
>>>solution.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
>> pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
>>
>> jim
>
> Given 1000 watt draw for any coffee pot that'll brew
>in a decent time frame (or kettle that'll heat in
>same) and 90% effeciency of the inverter, you'll need
>about 93 amps @ 12VDC. I don't know what a plu is,
>but I doubt they come rated for 100 amps. ;-)
>
> This is the sort of situation where you want to
>keep your cables as short as possible.
Plug. You are probably right. I have seen these units power portable
TVs and the like, but nothing like a coffee pot. I'm lucky to know
what the battery looks like.
jim
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 09:07:05
From: GeeDubb
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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"ensenadajim" <ensenadaXXXjim@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:kvf192947p4l49a6bp2d1e05a744pp3ovi@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:57:05 -0400, Steve Ackman
> <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>
>>In <oe8v829eg1r66tkv47r9mp7sf11f48s2bq@4ax.com>, on Tue, 13 Jun 2006
>>22:46:38 -0700, ensenadajim wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:33:03 GMT, "John Crankshaw"
>>><jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
>>>>moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
>>>>solution.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
>>> pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
>>>
>>> jim
>>
>> Given 1000 watt draw for any coffee pot that'll brew
>>in a decent time frame (or kettle that'll heat in
>>same) and 90% effeciency of the inverter, you'll need
>>about 93 amps @ 12VDC. I don't know what a plu is,
>>but I doubt they come rated for 100 amps. ;-)
>>
>> This is the sort of situation where you want to
>>keep your cables as short as possible.
>
>
> Plug. You are probably right. I have seen these units power portable
> TVs and the like, but nothing like a coffee pot. I'm lucky to know
> what the battery looks like.
>
>
> jim
>
>
I've got a 1500 watt inverter in my rv that powers a 1000 watt microwave
oven without any problems (granted, the short time periods the mw run limit
the draw on the system). I've not taken my Sylvia on a trip to see how the
system works yet (but she works just fine on the solar electric system at my
vacation home).
Gary (solar = quiet)
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 09:32:03
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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In <MAfkg.9$ik.641@news.uswest.net >, on Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:07:05 -0700,
GeeDubb wrote:
>
>>>> GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
>>>> pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
>>>>
>>>> jim
>>>
>>> Given 1000 watt draw for any coffee pot that'll brew
>>>in a decent time frame (or kettle that'll heat in
>>>same) and 90% effeciency of the inverter, you'll need
>>>about 93 amps @ 12VDC. I don't know what a plu is,
>>>but I doubt they come rated for 100 amps. ;-)
>>>
>>> This is the sort of situation where you want to
>>>keep your cables as short as possible.
>>
>>
>> Plug. You are probably right. I have seen these units power portable
>> TVs and the like, but nothing like a coffee pot. I'm lucky to know
>> what the battery looks like.
>>
>>
>> jim
>>
>>
>
> I've got a 1500 watt inverter in my rv that powers a 1000 watt microwave
> oven without any problems (granted, the short time periods the mw run limit
> the draw on the system). I've not taken my Sylvia on a trip to see how the
> system works yet (but she works just fine on the solar electric system at my
> vacation home).
>
> Gary (solar = quiet)
Yup. Me too. A 1500 watt inverter. Unfortunately
the DC panel is only rated for 45 amps, so in order to
make full use of the inverter, I have to lug it outside
and attach it directly to the battery. I never did
find a need so bad I actually did that. Since I ended
up taking the the UPS in the trailer, that was all I
needed for the coffee grinder... and gas for heating
the water.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 10:51:53
From: GeeDubb
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrne95cmt.1ucn.steve@wizard.dyndns.org...
> In <MAfkg.9$ik.641@news.uswest.net>, on Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:07:05 -0700,
> GeeDubb wrote:
>>
>>>>> GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
>>>>> pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
>>>>>
>>>>> jim
>>>>
>>>> Given 1000 watt draw for any coffee pot that'll brew
>>>>in a decent time frame (or kettle that'll heat in
>>>>same) and 90% effeciency of the inverter, you'll need
>>>>about 93 amps @ 12VDC. I don't know what a plu is,
>>>>but I doubt they come rated for 100 amps. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> This is the sort of situation where you want to
>>>>keep your cables as short as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Plug. You are probably right. I have seen these units power portable
>>> TVs and the like, but nothing like a coffee pot. I'm lucky to know
>>> what the battery looks like.
>>>
>>>
>>> jim
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've got a 1500 watt inverter in my rv that powers a 1000 watt microwave
>> oven without any problems (granted, the short time periods the mw run
>> limit
>> the draw on the system). I've not taken my Sylvia on a trip to see how
>> the
>> system works yet (but she works just fine on the solar electric system at
>> my
>> vacation home).
>>
>> Gary (solar = quiet)
>
> Yup. Me too. A 1500 watt inverter. Unfortunately
> the DC panel is only rated for 45 amps, so in order to
> make full use of the inverter, I have to lug it outside
> and attach it directly to the battery. I never did
> find a need so bad I actually did that. Since I ended
> up taking the the UPS in the trailer, that was all I
> needed for the coffee grinder... and gas for heating
> the water.
>
Fortunately the way my rv is set up the batteries are in a compartment
directly below the inverter and charge controller. Short length of cable
and a 100 amp fuse seems to work well so far. It's also nice having a 120
watt solar panel on the roof for charging. Probably overkill for as much as
I ever use the thing. I bought it and gas jumped a dollar a
gallon...........
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 19:41:02
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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In <%cCkg.17$0_.1281@news.uswest.net >, on Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:51:53
-0700, GeeDubb wrote:
>
> Fortunately the way my rv is set up the batteries are in a compartment
> directly below the inverter and charge controller. Short length of cable
> and a 100 amp fuse seems to work well so far.
Very sensible arrangement. I would have to mount
the inverter at the front of the trailer (probably
inside one of the cabinets) and drill out to the
battery. Either that or mount the inverter outside
with suitable weatherproofing, and run the AC through.
> It's also nice having a 120
> watt solar panel on the roof for charging.
What are the physical dimensions of that?
I keep thinking I'd like some PV, but then I look
at the cost of a panel vs. firing up the engine for
awhile, and solar still seems way overpriced for how
often we'd use it... last I looked anyway.
> I bought it and gas jumped a dollar a gallon...........
We just hauled our 30' trailer from NM to NH,
deviating from the most direct route a bit to hit
Little Rock, so something approaching 2700 miles.
Though we saw several stations over $3.00 a gallon,
we never actually paid that the whole trip.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 19:39:20
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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I posted a while back but my post had no responses. Doesn't your RV have a
propane tank as part of the setup? Connect that to a high BTU propane
burner will boil 20 quarts of water in seven minutes. Having enough hot
water to make the coffee is the biggest problem. I don't know how patient
your riders are to wait for small pot after pot of slow auto drip brew, but
a big propane burner and a stainless cookpot of water will allow you to make
drip brew as fast as they can drink it. Two $13 Melitta #6 pourover cones
http://www.melitta.com/search.asp?SKW=MACM and some good coffee will have
everyone on their way in no time. Dipping it with a percolator pot and
using that to pour with made the process seamless. This is not a mind
experiment. I've done this numerous times to take care of coffee duty for
scout leaders (they 'really' need their coffee in the mornings!) and my
latest was for the FOSSILS/LAGERS homebrew campout, with about 120 adults,
and about half of them wanting coffee --Quickly!
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"GeeDubb" <geedubb@qwest.net > wrote in message
news:%cCkg.17$0_.1281@news.uswest.net...
> Fortunately the way my rv is set up the batteries are in a compartment
> directly below the inverter and charge controller. Short length of cable
> and a 100 amp fuse seems to work well so far. It's also nice having a 120
> watt solar panel on the roof for charging. Probably overkill for as much
> as I ever use the thing. I bought it and gas jumped a dollar a
> gallon...........
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 00:16:57
From: ensenadajim
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:07:05 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geedubb@qwest.net >
wrote:
>
>"ensenadajim" <ensenadaXXXjim@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:kvf192947p4l49a6bp2d1e05a744pp3ovi@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:57:05 -0400, Steve Ackman
>> <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In <oe8v829eg1r66tkv47r9mp7sf11f48s2bq@4ax.com>, on Tue, 13 Jun 2006
>>>22:46:38 -0700, ensenadajim wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:33:03 GMT, "John Crankshaw"
>>>><jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
>>>>>moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
>>>>>solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
>>>> pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
>>>>
>>>> jim
>>>
>>> Given 1000 watt draw for any coffee pot that'll brew
>>>in a decent time frame (or kettle that'll heat in
>>>same) and 90% effeciency of the inverter, you'll need
>>>about 93 amps @ 12VDC. I don't know what a plu is,
>>>but I doubt they come rated for 100 amps. ;-)
>>>
>>> This is the sort of situation where you want to
>>>keep your cables as short as possible.
>>
>>
>> Plug. You are probably right. I have seen these units power portable
>> TVs and the like, but nothing like a coffee pot. I'm lucky to know
>> what the battery looks like.
>>
>>
>> jim
>>
>>
>
>I've got a 1500 watt inverter in my rv that powers a 1000 watt microwave
>oven without any problems (granted, the short time periods the mw run limit
>the draw on the system). I've not taken my Sylvia on a trip to see how the
>system works yet (but she works just fine on the solar electric system at my
>vacation home).
>
>Gary (solar = quiet)
Well, that takes care of Steve's information.
jim
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 09:35:44
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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In <ilm4921oh6l5c28ocqj5dsqoh48rkvb0tk@4ax.com >, on Fri, 16 Jun 2006
00:16:57 -0700, ensenadajim wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:07:05 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geedubb@qwest.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"ensenadajim" <ensenadaXXXjim@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:kvf192947p4l49a6bp2d1e05a744pp3ovi@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:57:05 -0400, Steve Ackman
>>> <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In <oe8v829eg1r66tkv47r9mp7sf11f48s2bq@4ax.com>, on Tue, 13 Jun 2006
>>>>22:46:38 -0700, ensenadajim wrote:
>>>>> GO to an RV store and get a unit that converts DC to AC and put a long
>>>>> pigtail plu on it. When you stop, brew.
>>>>>
>>>>> jim
>>>>
>>>> Given 1000 watt draw for any coffee pot that'll brew
>>>>in a decent time frame (or kettle that'll heat in
>>>>same) and 90% effeciency of the inverter, you'll need
>>>>about 93 amps @ 12VDC. I don't know what a plu is,
>>>>but I doubt they come rated for 100 amps. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> This is the sort of situation where you want to
>>>>keep your cables as short as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Plug. You are probably right. I have seen these units power portable
>>> TVs and the like, but nothing like a coffee pot. I'm lucky to know
>>> what the battery looks like.
>>>
>>>
>>> jim
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I've got a 1500 watt inverter in my rv that powers a 1000 watt microwave
>>oven without any problems (granted, the short time periods the mw run limit
>>the draw on the system). I've not taken my Sylvia on a trip to see how the
>>system works yet (but she works just fine on the solar electric system at my
>>vacation home).
>>
>>Gary (solar = quiet)
>
>
> Well, that takes care of Steve's information.
>
>
> jim
I don't follow. Nothing GW wrote contradicted
anything I wrote.
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 13:53:29
From: Paul Monaghan
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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If you are in a location where Dunkin' Donuts is popular (here in CT
you can't go 2 blocks without coming upon one) you could rely on their
"box o' joe," essentially a large insulated box of coffee along with
sugar, aspartame, and sweet n low packets and half-and-half cups plus
cups, lids, stirrers. Very convenient.
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:33:03 GMT, "John Crankshaw"
<jcrankshaw@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>I'm a long time lurker, sometimes poster. I learned how to do espresso right
>from this group. Thanks. But now a new challenge...
>
>I'm to be a SAG or van driver for an 8-day bicycle tour for 20 adult
>cyclists. One of my (many!) responsibilities is organizes morning &
>afternoon breaks and lunch. I assume some cyclists will want (crave?)
>coffee.
>
>Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and put
>it over my little Coleman camp stove. Or a large thermal carafe and buy tank
>coffee on the road.
>
>Any other ideas? I won't have a lot of time during stops to deal with
>moka-pots or presses, so I need a more or less set-it-and-forget-it
>solution.
>
> John
>
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 09:10:53
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Coffee for 20 on bicycle tour?
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> Without reliable AC power, I could get a 20-cup aluminum percolator and put it
> over my little Coleman camp stove.
That's what I'd do. Put the water in the perc the night before so it has a
chance to loss its 55° well temp. Have someone set an alarm to start the stove
first thing in the morning. Have pre-ground, pre-portioned ziplocks ready to
go.
> Or a large thermal carafe and buy tank coffee on the road.
Use this for the crew during the day. You can send a runner to the nearest
coffee shop. If bikers want some they'll have some.
Dan
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