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Date: 14 Jul 2006 11:23:22
From: bernie digman
Subject: Criminal Charge against Me
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Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current business license displayed. In
fact, someone had taken it down and there was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to
get it renewed and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or my
business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I declined after acertaining that
they had no records whatsoever. Went back to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate.
Took it down so she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So after
declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a new business application I
left. Codes officer calls and says I have to fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a
criminal citation and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers office
and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from vacation. I call the codes officer and
say I'll come and pay any back fees and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue
instead of a new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too good, but that
was before caffine was invented I believe.
Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:20:41
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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"bernie digman" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:44b7d30d@nntp.zianet.com...
> Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current
business license displayed. In
> fact, someone had taken it down and there was not one displayed at all. So
I stopped by city hall to
> get it renewed and current. They put in a new computer system and had no
record of me or my
> business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I declined
after acertaining that
> they had no records whatsoever. Went back to my office and dug out a past
reciept and certificate.
> Took it down so she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a
vet clinic. So after
> declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a new
business application I
> left. Codes officer calls and says I have to fix this. I say you fix it.
He says hes gonna give me a
> criminal citation and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I
go to my lawyers office
> and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from vacation. I
call the codes officer and
> say I'll come and pay any back fees and current fees if they just let me
register as a reissue
> instead of a new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee
wasn't too good, but that
> was before caffine was invented I believe.
> Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>
It never rains but it pours.
Here's hoping for a good outcome. Maybe the judge will be able to see
through the red-tape.
Sounds like you were civil with the inspector but couldn't come to an
agreement.
I don't think they'll let you continue business incarcerated so you will
have to make some arrangement to get any decent coffee.I guess you can have
your staff bring you roasted. You do have a roasting understudy. don't you?
I guess that your inderstudy would be able to roast behind closed shop doors
if it wasn't being sold.
Let us all know if there's anything we can do to help.
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:57:38
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Whatever you do, don't dis The Man. The inspector's motto is don't get mad,
get even. So be respectful - these people don't get paid much and they want
to make up the difference in power. And make sure whatever you get is
documented in writing - verbal assurances aren't worth the paper they are
written on, as the old saying goes.
"bernie digman" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:44b7d30d@nntp.zianet.com...
> Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current
> business license displayed. In fact, someone had taken it down and there
> was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to get it renewed
> and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or
> my business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I
> declined after acertaining that they had no records whatsoever. Went back
> to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate. Took it down so
> she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So
> after declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a
> new business application I left. Codes officer calls and says I have to
> fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a criminal citation
> and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers
> office and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from
> vacation. I call the codes officer and say I'll come and pay any back fees
> and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue instead of a
> new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too
> good, but that was before caffine was invented I believe.
> Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:37:24
From: bernie digman
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Jack Denver wrote:
> Whatever you do, don't dis The Man. The inspector's motto is don't get mad,
> get even. So be respectful - these people don't get paid much and they want
> to make up the difference in power. And make sure whatever you get is
> documented in writing - verbal assurances aren't worth the paper they are
> written on, as the old saying goes.
>
>
>
Agreed. When one of the participants offered to "get the process started" if I would bring all my
documentation to them and he promised not to use it to go back and fine me since they didn't have
any records. I declined. Something about self-incrimination as I recall. If they don't have my
records and I do, it seems pointless to show them where I screwed up unless they will give me a
written agreement not to use it against me. They were offended I wouldn't haul all my records to
them to rifle through. The form he wanted me to fill out to "help me" get started in tracing hard
copies is titled "Application for New Vendor". Nope. It's chock full of little boxes to be checked
off by zoning, building codes, electrical, fire, safety, etc. No way am I signing off on that with a
verbal assurance it is just for information for them. All this for a $35 license fee I let lapse.
Bernie (reminding my staff of the times I've bailed them out) D.
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 01:05:54
From: Red Hymen
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Does the government enforce immigration laws? No!
Does the government require illegal immigrants to have a drivers license or
car insurance? Nope!
Does the IRS go after illegals for income taxes? You guessed it, nope again!
Ahhhhhhh, but let some shop owner forget to renew a $35 business license and
the government bureaucrats can't get their dicks out fast enough! Fucking
amazing, eh?
Hey, maybe we can give the illegals what's left of Social Security...even
though they never had to pay in.
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 18:05:57
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:23:22 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com >
wrote:
>Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current business license displayed. In
>fact, someone had taken it down and there was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to
>get it renewed and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or my
>business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I declined after acertaining that
>they had no records whatsoever. Went back to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate.
>Took it down so she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So after
>declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a new business application I
>left. Codes officer calls and says I have to fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a
>criminal citation and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers office
>and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from vacation. I call the codes officer and
>say I'll come and pay any back fees and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue
>instead of a new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too good, but that
>was before caffine was invented I believe.
>Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
Look on the bright side: sounds like you're licensed to treat animals
now. It probably pays better than coffee. I just know there's a movie
in this.
Marshall "they've filmed Kafka, too"
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 10:58:16
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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That SUCKS, bernie! GRRRRR!!
(don't you go thinking about guns now)
best of luck to you....
Dave
877 286 2833
bernie digman wrote:
> Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current business license displayed. In
> fact, someone had taken it down and there was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to
> get it renewed and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or my
> business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I declined after acertaining that
> they had no records whatsoever. Went back to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate.
> Took it down so she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So after
> declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a new business application I
> left. Codes officer calls and says I have to fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a
> criminal citation and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers office
> and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from vacation. I call the codes officer and
> say I'll come and pay any back fees and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue
> instead of a new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too good, but that
> was before caffine was invented I believe.
> Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 17:43:51
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Hey Bernie, My 2nd 'ex' liked the warming KY gel. ;)
--
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"bernie digman" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:44b7d30d@nntp.zianet.com...
> Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current
> business license displayed. In fact, someone had taken it down and there
> was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to get it renewed
> and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or
> my business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I
> declined after acertaining that they had no records whatsoever. Went back
> to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate. Took it down so
> she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So
> after declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a
> new business application I left. Codes officer calls and says I have to
> fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a criminal citation
> and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers
> office and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from
> vacation. I call the codes officer and say I'll come and pay any back fees
> and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue instead of a
> new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too
> good, but that was before caffine was invented I believe.
> Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 11:07:24
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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On 2006-07-14, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote:
> Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
Too bad they didn't bust you for failure to wrap (at 72-74 cols).
nb
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 08:10:44
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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notbob wrote:
> On 2006-07-14, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>
>
> Too bad they didn't bust you for failure to wrap (at 72-74 cols).
>
> nb
I have the same problem in Mozilla. It used to wrap at
60/66 and it still does in this reply, but fails to wrap
when the article is posted. I have re-looked at the
setting, and reduced the wrap even further in the hope that
it takes, so we'll see now...
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 09:20:46
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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In <4hu70mF195llU1@individual.net >, on Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:10:44 +0100,
Danny wrote:
>> Too bad they didn't bust you for failure to wrap (at 72-74 cols).
>>
>> nb
>
> I have the same problem in Mozilla. It used to wrap at
> 60/66 and it still does in this reply, but fails to wrap
> when the article is posted. I have re-looked at the
> setting, and reduced the wrap even further in the hope that
> it takes, so we'll see now...
Wraps fine as posted, but in the subsequent post
where you quote this, the wrap seems to have changed.
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:43:55
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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it all wraps fine here, including bernie's original post.
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:20:46 -0400, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:
>In <4hu70mF195llU1@individual.net>, on Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:10:44 +0100,
>Danny wrote:
>>> Too bad they didn't bust you for failure to wrap (at 72-74 cols).
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> I have the same problem in Mozilla. It used to wrap at
>> 60/66 and it still does in this reply, but fails to wrap
>> when the article is posted. I have re-looked at the
>> setting, and reduced the wrap even further in the hope that
>> it takes, so we'll see now...
>
> Wraps fine as posted, but in the subsequent post
>where you quote this, the wrap seems to have changed.
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 17:05:43
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Barry Jarrett wrote:
> it all wraps fine here, including bernie's original post.
>
Thanks Barry & Steve. Maybe I should peruse my reader
settings, rather than my posting settings...
Bernies posts don't wrap until the end of the page, but
other posts do.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 08:11:41
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Danny wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2006-07-14, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>>
>>
>>
>> Too bad they didn't bust you for failure to wrap (at 72-74 cols).
>>
>> nb
>
>
> I have the same problem in Mozilla. It used to wrap at 60/66 and it
> still does in this reply, but fails to wrap when the article is posted.
> I have re-looked at the setting, and reduced the wrap even further in
> the hope that it takes, so we'll see now...
>
Wrap set to 60 and still no wrap when posted...(but wraps
correctly as quoted text in this reply...
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 16:33:12
From: bernie digman
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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notbob wrote:
> On 2006-07-14, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>
>
> Too bad they didn't bust you for failure to wrap (at 72-74 cols).
>
> nb
Well, my associates have mentioned I seem to be coming slightly unwrapped. I don't know what it
is, but I'll look at it. The copy is correct on my screen when I type it out.
Bernie
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 18:50:29
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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On 2006-07-16, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote:
> is, but I'll look at it.
I can't ask more than that. And, I won't shut you down if you're
unable to fix it. ;)
nb
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 08:37:46
From:
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Red Hymen wrote:
> Does the government enforce immigration laws? No!
>
> Does the government require illegal immigrants to have a drivers license or
> car insurance? Nope!
>
> Does the IRS go after illegals for income taxes? You guessed it, nope again!
>
> Ahhhhhhh, but let some shop owner forget to renew a $35 business license and
> the government bureaucrats can't get their dicks out fast enough! Fucking
> amazing, eh?
>
> Hey, maybe we can give the illegals what's left of Social Security...even
> though they never had to pay in.
I am so disgusted over the entire matter. We born in the USA Americans
are really getting the shaft, man.
Marty
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 08:34:27
From:
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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bernie digman wrote:
> Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current business license displayed. In
> fact, someone had taken it down and there was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to
> get it renewed and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or my
...snip...
> criminal citation and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers office
> and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from vacation. I call the codes officer and
> say I'll come and pay any back fees and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue
> instead of a new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too good, but that
> was before caffine was invented I believe.
> Bernie (aka Beans to the jail crowd) D.
Bernie,
Don't you just love bureaucrats? They are the biggest pieces of kopi
luwak excrement MINUS the beans on the face of the earth. It is ALWAYS
up to you to fix their problems.
Complete waste of space they are.
Marty
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 07:55:03
From: Dan
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:23:22 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com >
wrote:
[snip}
> I call the codes officer and
>say I'll come and pay any back fees and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue
>instead of a new startup. Nope.
Have you thought of getting your local city councilperson involved?
Or the local TV consumer advocate reporter?
It ain't right what they're putting you through because they had a
system foul-up. On the other hand, if they've required that
*everybody* reapply as new after a license lapsed, then they're not
singling you out. In that case, you may really need your lawyer. But
it still ain't right! Good luck.
--
Regards,
Dan
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Date: 17 Jul 2006 09:15:21
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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It's a balancing act - we got a bad grading after closing the cafe.
Was it worth fighting - no, because it would have put us offside with the
inspector. Was he wrong - possibly, but ultimately he will be right, so we
would be putting of fthe inevitible.
If we fought him, he could have come in with a fine tooth comb looking for
problems. I think the reality is, no matter what your preparation for a
health inspection, problems can be found. Why risk it?
In Bernie's case, he has a glitch in the system to fight, but if he takes
the high ground and wins, you can be sure he will need to keep that high
ground spotless from then on.
Live and let live - sort out the problem with the process, but don't slack
off the guys that inspect you, and somewhere in there they are involved, if
only because they work on the "other side" of the issue.
I get the feeling that it is a case of working out the process to correct
the problem, not a fight.
Brent
> [snip}
>> I call the codes officer and
>>say I'll come and pay any back fees and current fees if they just let me
>>register as a reissue
>>instead of a new startup. Nope.
>
> Have you thought of getting your local city councilperson involved?
> Or the local TV consumer advocate reporter?
>
> It ain't right what they're putting you through because they had a
> system foul-up. On the other hand, if they've required that
> *everybody* reapply as new after a license lapsed, then they're not
> singling you out. In that case, you may really need your lawyer. But
> it still ain't right! Good luck.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Dan
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 23:43:30
From: Randy R
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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"Brent" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:4hvnn2F1gafqU1@individual.net...
> It's a balancing act - we got a bad grading after closing the cafe.
>
> Was it worth fighting - no, because it would have put us offside with the
> inspector. Was he wrong - possibly, but ultimately he will be right, so we
> would be putting of fthe inevitible.
>
What do you mean you got a bad grading after you closed the cafe? Do you
need a food license to roast coffee?
Randy R
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Date: 17 Jul 2006 13:29:59
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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>
> What do you mean you got a bad grading after you closed the cafe? Do you
> need a food license to roast coffee?
>
> Randy R
>
We were still registered as a cafe - different requirements, OK as a
roastery though.
So we wrote a formal letter and said, you guessed it, "We are no longer
operating as a cafe"
So to our knowledge we are OK now.
We got downgraded because we didn't have something no one was sure if we
needed or not (including inspector) who subsequently decided we did. Like I
said we could fight it, but it isn't worth it when we don't want to run as a
cafe. If we change our mind, we know what we have to do.
As far as roasting coffee - yes we need a license (it is food after all) but
the process is fairly simple, so requirements from what I understand are
clean work environment, and somewhere to wash hands.
Brent
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 07:26:13
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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bernie digman wrote:
> Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current
> business license displayed. In fact, someone had taken it down and there
> was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to get it renewed
> and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or
> my business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I
> declined after acertaining that they had no records whatsoever. Went back
> to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate. Took it down so
> she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So
> after declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a
> new business application I left. Codes officer calls and says I have to
> fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a criminal citation
> and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers
> office and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from
> vacation. I call the codes officer and say I'll come and pay any back fees
> and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue instead of a
> new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too
> good, but that was before caffine was invented I believe. Bernie (aka
> Beans to the jail crowd) D.
There's a question in my mind that you didn't address--was the license in
fact lapsed? If not then it's _their_ screw-up and it should be up to them
to fix it, if so then it's _your_ screw-up and like it or not it's up to
you to fix it even if it means jumping through every hoop in the book.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 09:32:01
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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I'm guessing that the license was in fact lapsed or there wouldn't be any
problem at all. But it does not necesssarily follow that the consequence of
letting the license lapse is that you have to be treated as a new startup
business. I don't know what the local ordinances look like but I doubt that
this is correct - just because the bureaucrats have pre-printed forms for
one thing and not for another does not mean that this is the correct legal
path.
"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid > wrote in message
news:e9ajkl011ds@news2.newsguy.com...
> bernie digman wrote:
>
>> Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current
>> business license displayed. In fact, someone had taken it down and there
>> was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to get it renewed
>> and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or
>> my business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I
>> declined after acertaining that they had no records whatsoever. Went back
>> to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate. Took it down so
>> she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So
>> after declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via
>> a
>> new business application I left. Codes officer calls and says I have to
>> fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a criminal citation
>> and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers
>> office and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from
>> vacation. I call the codes officer and say I'll come and pay any back
>> fees
>> and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue instead of a
>> new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too
>> good, but that was before caffine was invented I believe. Bernie (aka
>> Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>
> There's a question in my mind that you didn't address--was the license in
> fact lapsed? If not then it's _their_ screw-up and it should be up to
> them
> to fix it, if so then it's _your_ screw-up and like it or not it's up to
> you to fix it even if it means jumping through every hoop in the book.
>
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 09:57:33
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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> I'm guessing that the license was in fact lapsed or there wouldn't be any
> problem at all. But it does not necesssarily follow that the consequence of
> letting the license lapse is that you have to be treated as a new startup
> business. I don't know what the local ordinances look like but I doubt that
> this is correct - just because the bureaucrats have pre-printed forms for one
> thing and not for another does not mean that this is the correct legal path.
Just because he may have to register as a new startup (due to computer file
loss) does not necessarily mean that he'll have to go through the entire process
again. They may very well waive that in exchange for a spot inspection.
Dan
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:08:13
From: bernie digman
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Dan Bollinger wrote:
>> I'm guessing that the license was in fact lapsed or there wouldn't be
>> any problem at all. But it does not necesssarily follow that the
>> consequence of letting the license lapse is that you have to be
>> treated as a new startup business. I don't know what the local
>> ordinances look like but I doubt that this is correct - just because
>> the bureaucrats have pre-printed forms for one thing and not for
>> another does not mean that this is the correct legal path.
>
>
> Just because he may have to register as a new startup (due to computer
> file loss) does not necessarily mean that he'll have to go through the
> entire process again. They may very well waive that in exchange for a
> spot inspection.
>
> Dan
That was what I was hoping for as an option. The sticking point is that there is no assurance
that I won't go into the process. And they refuse to put an assurance in writing as they don't have
a form for that one. Once the fire department shows up and wants to do a new business inspection on
a pressurized sprinkler system I'm in violation of a lease clause and have to pay for it myself.
I've repeatedly told them that I'll pay whatever penalty there is for letting a $35 annual fee lapse
but I won't start the process over. So we seem to be at a stalemate.
Bernie
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:14:15
From: bernie digman
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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J. Clarke wrote:
> bernie digman wrote:
>
>
>>Yep. Codes officer walked in Wednesday and I didn't have a current
>>business license displayed. In fact, someone had taken it down and there
>>was not one displayed at all. So I stopped by city hall to get it renewed
>>and current. They put in a new computer system and had no record of me or
>>my business. So the lady wanted me to apply as a new business and I
>>declined after acertaining that they had no records whatsoever. Went back
>>to my office and dug out a past reciept and certificate. Took it down so
>>she could check the number. They had re-assigned it to a vet clinic. So
>>after declining to invite the entire building codes inspection cycle via a
>>new business application I left. Codes officer calls and says I have to
>>fix this. I say you fix it. He says hes gonna give me a criminal citation
>>and haul me before a judge. I say I'll be right down. I go to my lawyers
>>office and get an appointment for next Thursday when he returns from
>>vacation. I call the codes officer and say I'll come and pay any back fees
>>and current fees if they just let me register as a reissue instead of a
>>new startup. Nope. Okay. Last time I was in jail the coffee wasn't too
>>good, but that was before caffine was invented I believe. Bernie (aka
>>Beans to the jail crowd) D.
>
>
> There's a question in my mind that you didn't address--was the license in
> fact lapsed? If not then it's _their_ screw-up and it should be up to them
> to fix it, if so then it's _your_ screw-up and like it or not it's up to
> you to fix it even if it means jumping through every hoop in the book.
>
Actually that isn't correct. If a license is lapsed there is a process of renewal. Mine was
lapsed and I went down to complete the process to renew. They lost my records so I'm unable to
complete a process they have in place. I've offered to pay the penalty to renew a lapsed license.
Their position is that since they lost the records of my prior licenses in the conversion to a new
system that it is my responsibility to now conform to their error. Added to that is they reissued my
licence number to another business so when I did show up again with a copy of the license they
couldn't complete the renewal process. Thats where we get stuck. I'm the guy that showed up with the
checkbook to pay up and get my license current. The city are the ones who have a broken computer
system and can't find my records and let me complete a process that is in place.
Bernie
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 19:57:31
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:14:15 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com >
wrote:
>Their position is that since they lost the records of my prior licenses in the conversion to a new
>system that it is my responsibility to now conform to their error. Added to that is they reissued my
>licence number to another business so when I did show up again with a copy of the license they
>couldn't complete the renewal process. Thats where we get stuck. I'm the guy that showed up with the
>checkbook to pay up and get my license current. The city are the ones who have a broken computer
>system and can't find my records and let me complete a process that is in place.
can you get your lawyer to go before a judge with all this info and
get a declaratory judgement?
marshall? jack?
-b
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Date: 15 Jul 2006 19:43:24
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Going to court is not the preferred route in a case like this. What you
want is to hire the guy who is say the former head of licenses and
inspections and is good buddies with the current head - whoever is the boss
of the pencil pusher that is giving Bernie a hard time. Whatever the
structure of the town - Mr. Pencil Pusher has a boss even if his boss is the
mayor. When Mr. Pencil Pusher's boss calls him up and asks him "can't you
make this go away?" it will go away.
"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:9qhib294lu9ifpraf0nmhpsvtejj914j0s@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:14:15 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Their position is that since they lost the records of my prior licenses
> >in the conversion to a new
> >system that it is my responsibility to now conform to their error. Added
> >to that is they reissued my
> >licence number to another business so when I did show up again with a
> >copy of the license they
> >couldn't complete the renewal process. Thats where we get stuck. I'm the
> >guy that showed up with the
> >checkbook to pay up and get my license current. The city are the ones who
> >have a broken computer
> >system and can't find my records and let me complete a process that is in
> >place.
>
> can you get your lawyer to go before a judge with all this info and
> get a declaratory judgement?
>
> marshall? jack?
>
> -b
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 16:31:41
From: bernie digman
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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Jack Denver wrote:
> Going to court is not the preferred route in a case like this. What you
> want is to hire the guy who is say the former head of licenses and
> inspections and is good buddies with the current head - whoever is the boss
> of the pencil pusher that is giving Bernie a hard time. Whatever the
> structure of the town - Mr. Pencil Pusher has a boss even if his boss is the
> mayor. When Mr. Pencil Pusher's boss calls him up and asks him "can't you
> make this go away?" it will go away.
>
>
>
>
> "Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com> wrote in message
> news:9qhib294lu9ifpraf0nmhpsvtejj914j0s@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:14:15 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>can you get your lawyer to go before a judge with all this info and
>>get a declaratory judgement?
>>
>>marshall? jack?
>>
>>-b
>
>
>
I'm using a lawyer who keeps a blind dog in his offices. I'm not sure if it is a metaphor or he's
just used to having the dog around. Anyway, his position always seems to be to let me cool my heels
for a while until the blood cools. Then he asks me just exactly what outcome I need. Then he writes
a letter and sends it certified-return reciept requested. Then he sends me a bill with the desired
results. It must be the blind dog.
Bernie
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Date: 17 Jul 2006 13:31:14
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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> Jack Denver wrote:
>> Going to court is not the preferred route in a case like this. What you
>> want is to hire the guy who is say the former head of licenses and
>> inspections and is good buddies with the current head - whoever is the
>> boss of the pencil pusher that is giving Bernie a hard time. Whatever
>> the structure of the town - Mr. Pencil Pusher has a boss even if his boss
>> is the mayor. When Mr. Pencil Pusher's boss calls him up and asks him
>> "can't you make this go away?" it will go away.
>>
>>>can you get your lawyer to go before a judge with all this info and
>>>get a declaratory judgement?
>>>
>>>marshall? jack?
>>>
>>>-b
> I'm using a lawyer who keeps a blind dog in his offices. I'm not sure if
> it is a metaphor or he's just used to having the dog around. Anyway, his
> position always seems to be to let me cool my heels for a while until the
> blood cools. Then he asks me just exactly what outcome I need. Then he
> writes a letter and sends it certified-return reciept requested. Then he
> sends me a bill with the desired results. It must be the blind dog.
> Bernie
>
Sounds like the best course - hpe it goes well
Brent
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Date: 18 Jul 2006 18:14:14
From: Paul Vojta
Subject: Re: Criminal Charge against Me
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In article <44b93e89@nntp.zianet.com >,
bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote:
> Actually that isn't correct. If a license is lapsed there is a
> process of renewal. Mine was lapsed and I went down to complete the
> process to renew. They lost my records so I'm unable to complete a
> process they have in place. I've offered to pay the penalty to renew a
> lapsed license. Their position is that since they lost the records of
> my prior licenses in the conversion to a new system that it is my
> responsibility to now conform to their error. Added to that is they
> reissued my licence number to another business so when I did show up
> again with a copy of the license they couldn't complete the renewal
> process.
Be sure to check that you're within any time limits on renewals.
--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu
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