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Date: 06 Oct 2006 05:52:00
From: daveb
Subject: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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from Chris of Chris' Coffee:
"We now offer the Alexia with a PID controller installed. We have
partnered with David Blane for quite some time now doing the PID
controller installs on Silvia machines. When we got the Alexia in, I
sent one to him to perform tests and see what would be involved to
install a PID in the Alexia. I did not want it to be hanging on the
outside of the machine and looking like an add-on so we had to test the
machine to be sure the controller would not be subjected to too much
heat. We also had to figure out how to punch the heavy gauge stainless.
The long and the short of it is this, it looks good, works fine, and
performs well. All sales on these go through David, we simply wholesale
the machines to him and he does the installation, sells the machines to
the customers, and handles the warranty. As I said earlier he has been
doing this with me for over a year now and I have not gotten even one
negative comment from one of his customers who went through us to him.
The price is set by David but if I am not mistaken he will be selling
them with PID controller installed for under $1,000.00. "
unedited.
Dave b
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 20:07:33
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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daveb wrote:
> from Chris of Chris' Coffee:
>
-snip-
That's what we all love about you, Dave - far too shy for your own good.
I hate it.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 20:08:48
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Danny wrote:
> daveb wrote:
>
>> from Chris of Chris' Coffee:
>>
> -snip-
>
> That's what we all love about you, Dave - far too shy for your own good.
>
> I hate it.
>
>
Oh, I forgot - I also dislike your continued use of the group
primarily to advertise your wares whilst putting down almost everyone
who might disagree with your views.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 14:37:43
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4onnt5Ffhk2cU2@individual.net...
>>>
>
> Oh, I forgot - I also dislike your continued use of the group primarily to
> advertise your wares whilst putting down almost everyone who might
> disagree with your views.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
>
Just remember, Danny; you can go back to a.c. the way it was before, by
using the killfile feature of your newsreader.
ken
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 17:03:18
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Done! I can't remember any useful information that I will be missing.
"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:4ont8dFfj2anU1@individual.net...
>
> Just remember, Danny; you can go back to a.c. the way it was before, by
> using the killfile feature of your newsreader.
>
> ken
>
>
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 22:44:37
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Fri, 6 2006 17:03:18 -0500, "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net >
wrote:
> I can't remember any useful information that I will be missing.
Alzheimer's is so cruel <vbg > ...couldn't resist.
Newgroups are a D.I.alog... that means listening as well as talking.
99.9999% of all posts are twaddle, but every so often one is relevant.
I'm always appalled at the readiness to kill file.
"Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those
who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too
presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation."
- Voltaire
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 17:30:40
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:rhmdi2hlsu34hurdjh5ef5id1tihb03k3b@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 6 2006 17:03:18 -0500, "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I can't remember any useful information that I will be missing.
>
> Alzheimer's is so cruel <vbg> ...couldn't resist.
>
> Newgroups are a D.I.alog... that means listening as well as talking.
>
> 99.9999% of all posts are twaddle, but every so often one is relevant.
>
> I'm always appalled at the readiness to kill file.
>
I have only so much time I want to spend reading posts here, and when I can
be 99.7% certain that an individual's posts will either be self-promoting
drivel, or one-two line attacks on other posters, the decision is pretty
easy to make. I have 2 people in my killfile, although the other one has
between 30 to 40 known fake posting identities.
What is astounding to me is how the newsreader can report 27 posts at first
and then it dwindles down to 5 or 8 in a couple of seconds after the KF
kicks in. That says that not only do these people produce clutter, they
produce quite a lot of it.
ken
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 00:12:56
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Fri, 6 2006 17:30:40 -0600, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:
>I have only so much time I want to spend reading posts here,
Ditto.
But, I take a different tack. Over the years I've found that AntiSpam,
AntiAdware, Anti-most-everything takes as much or more effort to
manage than doing it manually.
If a topic is uninteresting, IGNORE gets rid of it.
Ditto if it devolves into a pie fight / flame war.
Admittedly, I'll miss a few nuggets, but on balance, it works.
What gets my dander up is the hypocrysy of flaming a gadfly and
ignoring the monumentally more exasperating eBay and Amazon notices
and other inanities, some of which originate from this IP.
Far too much blood has been shed to give us free speech.
Silencing ones critics is the oppressor's instrument.
Laissez-faire, s'il vous plait.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 19:30:14
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On 2006-10-07, I- >Ian <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
> If a topic is uninteresting, IGNORE gets rid of it.
> Ditto if it devolves into a pie fight / flame war.
Agreed. At one point my score file was so bloated, it was taking
30-40 secs to dwnld new articles. Better to just dwnld them all in a
flash and let my eyeballs make the cut. I know where the sludge is and
a good discussion, like cream, will rise to the top.
nb
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 10:33:34
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I think there's a place for automated tools in extreme cases. When someone
is utterly disgusting, it's better not to see their posts at all...otherwise
it's like a car wreck -- you find yourself compelled to look even though
your better judgment says that you shouldn't. I agree that constant "I'll
put you in my killfile" threats made at the drop of a hat are childish - if
you killfile everyone you disagree with, all you'll be left with yourself
and chorus of yes-men (if any). But the judicious use of a killfile for a
few selected known trolls, anti-social types, etc. is a benefit. I was
ready to give up on alt.coffee at some point (and I know some people who
have) but after blocking a couple of names, the group is readable again.
"notbob" <notbob@nothome.com > wrote in message
news:v42dna8v5-eLaLvYnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> On 2006-10-07, I->Ian <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> If a topic is uninteresting, IGNORE gets rid of it.
>> Ditto if it devolves into a pie fight / flame war.
>
> Agreed. At one point my score file was so bloated, it was taking
> 30-40 secs to dwnld new articles. Better to just dwnld them all in a
> flash and let my eyeballs make the cut. I know where the sludge is and
> a good discussion, like cream, will rise to the top.
>
> nb
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 15:03:17
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote in
news:KJOdndj5-OgiJ7rYnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> I think there's a place for automated tools in extreme cases. When
> someone is utterly disgusting, it's better not to see their posts at
> all...otherwise it's like a car wreck -- you find yourself compelled
> to look even though your better judgment says that you shouldn't. I
> agree that constant "I'll put you in my killfile" threats made at the
> drop of a hat are childish - if you killfile everyone you disagree
> with, all you'll be left with yourself and chorus of yes-men (if any).
> But the judicious use of a killfile for a few selected known trolls,
> anti-social types, etc. is a benefit. I was ready to give up on
> alt.coffee at some point (and I know some people who have) but after
> blocking a couple of names, the group is readable again.
>
>
> "notbob" <notbob@nothome.com> wrote in message
> news:v42dna8v5-eLaLvYnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> On 2006-10-07, I->Ian <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> If a topic is uninteresting, IGNORE gets rid of it.
>>> Ditto if it devolves into a pie fight / flame war.
>>
>> Agreed. At one point my score file was so bloated, it was taking
>> 30-40 secs to dwnld new articles. Better to just dwnld them all in a
>> flash and let my eyeballs make the cut. I know where the sludge is
>> and a good discussion, like cream, will rise to the top.
>>
>> nb
>
>
>
Use of a killfile is warranted for some folks. Like you said it can be like
a car wreck; you look even though you don't want to. I get tired of some of
the negative comments posted here but it's almost always from one or two
regulars and, to be truthful, I miss reading their particular brand of BS
when they're in my killfile.
My kids always thought they were smarter than me, my employees always were
smarter than me, even my grandkids, dogs, & cats figure they can outsmart
me. It's nice once in a while to open a post & be able to say with
sincerity, "What a stupid SOB that jerk is!".
Robert (Smarter than the average troll.) Harmon
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 18:20:23
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:79rdi2tk9h9f1u5ndo5poabr7r016bi0qp@4ax.com...
> >
> What gets my dander up is the hypocrysy of flaming a gadfly and
> ignoring the monumentally more exasperating eBay and Amazon notices
> and other inanities, some of which originate from this IP.
>
> Far too much blood has been shed to give us free speech.
> Silencing ones critics is the oppressor's instrument.
>
> Laissez-faire, s'il vous plait.
Je n'ai pas de temps pour ces choses. Je trouve que cette merde est un
perte de mon temps.
ken
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 00:41:15
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Fri, 6 2006 18:20:23 -0600, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:
>"I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:79rdi2tk9h9f1u5ndo5poabr7r016bi0qp@4ax.com...
>> >
>> What gets my dander up is the hypocrysy of flaming a gadfly and
>> ignoring the monumentally more exasperating eBay and Amazon notices
>> and other inanities, some of which originate from this IP.
>>
>> Far too much blood has been shed to give us free speech.
>> Silencing ones critics is the oppressor's instrument.
>>
>> Laissez-faire, s'il vous plait.
>
>Je n'ai pas de temps pour ces choses. Je trouve que cette merde est un
>perte de mon temps.
>
>ken
>
C'est dommage...
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 19:56:28
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:grtdi25vqud9qudt755vanit2og7h67tgf@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 6 2006 18:20:23 -0600, "Ken Fox"
> <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:79rdi2tk9h9f1u5ndo5poabr7r016bi0qp@4ax.com...
>>> >
>>> What gets my dander up is the hypocrysy of flaming a gadfly and
>>> ignoring the monumentally more exasperating eBay and Amazon notices
>>> and other inanities, some of which originate from this IP.
>>>
>>> Far too much blood has been shed to give us free speech.
>>> Silencing ones critics is the oppressor's instrument.
>>>
>>> Laissez-faire, s'il vous plait.
>>
>>Je n'ai pas de temps pour ces choses. Je trouve que cette merde est un
>>perte de mon temps.
>>
>>ken
>>
>
> C'est dommage...
La vie s'est amelioré sans ces choses.
ken
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 17:58:24
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:4ooa9sFfg5n3U1@individual.net...
> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:79rdi2tk9h9f1u5ndo5poabr7r016bi0qp@4ax.com...
> > >
> > What gets my dander up is the hypocrysy of flaming a gadfly and
> > ignoring the monumentally more exasperating eBay and Amazon notices
> > and other inanities, some of which originate from this IP.
> >
> > Far too much blood has been shed to give us free speech.
> > Silencing ones critics is the oppressor's instrument.
> >
> > Laissez-faire, s'il vous plait.
>
> Je n'ai pas de temps pour ces choses. Je trouve que cette merde est un
> perte de mon temps.
>
> ken
>
>
Les choses ont dit dans le son français tellement plus impressionnant, vous
ne pensez pas ?
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 16:59:06
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Sat, 7 2006 17:58:24 +1000, "Natalie Drest"
<mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au > wrote:
>
>"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4ooa9sFfg5n3U1@individual.net...
>> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:79rdi2tk9h9f1u5ndo5poabr7r016bi0qp@4ax.com...
>> > >
>> > What gets my dander up is the hypocrysy of flaming a gadfly and
>> > ignoring the monumentally more exasperating eBay and Amazon notices
>> > and other inanities, some of which originate from this IP.
>> >
>> > Far too much blood has been shed to give us free speech.
>> > Silencing ones critics is the oppressor's instrument.
>> >
>> > Laissez-faire, s'il vous plait.
>>
>> Je n'ai pas de temps pour ces choses. Je trouve que cette merde est un
>> perte de mon temps.
>>
>> ken
>>
>>
>
>Les choses ont dit dans le son français tellement plus impressionnant, vous
>ne pensez pas ?
>
d'accord
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 11:43:41
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"Natalie Drest" <mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au > wrote in message
news:45275e1b$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>>
> Les choses ont dit dans le son français tellement plus impressionnant,
> vous
> ne pensez pas ?
>
Bien sûr.
Even such things as asking/accusing someone if they farted, comme: Est-ce
que vous vous avez oublié?
ken
;-)
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 22:45:58
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Sat, 7 2006 11:43:41 -0600, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerde@snipThisPleaseHotmail.com > wrote:
>asking/accusing someone if they farted
Doesn't say much for your olfactory system if you have to ask <vbg >
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 19:33:37
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in news:4onnt5Ffhk2cU2
@individual.net:
> Danny wrote:
>> daveb wrote:
>>
>>> from Chris of Chris' Coffee:
>>>
>> -snip-
>>
>> That's what we all love about you, Dave - far too shy for your own good.
>>
>> I hate it.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, I forgot - I also dislike your continued use of the group
> primarily to advertise your wares whilst putting down almost everyone
> who might disagree with your views.
>
Yeah, but other thaan that he's a wonderful person! ;P~
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 13:27:45
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Can't resist establishing my Valley cred.:
Spent summer of '69 in England (Isle of Wight: Dylan, The Who, Cocker)
getting a bit nervous reading "back home" news of Charlie Manson.
Returned to my Box Canyon home to find most things in order.
Martin
Randy G. wrote:
> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >On 9 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "John Frank" <johndfrank@excite.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Ian, I live in Topanga Canyon, and it is in no way a sphincter...
> >>there's clean air, lots of growing things, lots of animals, and stars
> >>at night. LA is a big place and there are pockets of beauty all around
> >>if you know where to look.
> >>
> >>You can get some pretty dang good sushi here, and lots of other great
> >>foods...
> >>
> >>And Caffe Luxxe (I should start getting a commission) in Santa Monica
> >>where I am going after work has extremely good espresso.
> >>
> >>And speaking of work, I'd better get back to it!
> >>
> >>John
> >
> >I live not 10 miles from Topanga Canyon, have a view across Hidden
> >Hills from the top of a hill, a breeze from the ocean every afternoon
> >and abundant wildlife in our natural habitat property.
> >
> >Owensmouth and Sherman Way, about 20 miles from you, has recently
> >become the murder capital of LA. I traverse that area daily as I cycle
> >to the office. I've been shot once and do not relish a review.
> >
>
> Man, it's like a homecoming dance! I graduated from Poly High and LA
> Valley College. I lived in the house on a corner of DeSoto, one block
> south of Saticoy (Ingomer I think, or maybe it was Cohassett),
> kitty-corner/across the street from the church. Later bought a house
> east of DeSoto between Victory and Vanowen. I Use to bicycle (and
> sometimes we took the tandem) over Topanga and loop back into the
> valley through Old Topanga Cyn. I was the asst. sales manager of
> "Cycle World" on Reseda Blvd. for a couple of years. It wasn't so bad
> back then (left in '88) and we actually use to walk to Follow Your
> Heart on Sherman Way near Topanga Cyn.
>
> After the earthquake things changed quite a bit- maybe not the cause,
> but possibly an accelerant. Fortunately for me, I was gone by then.
>
>
> Randy "a good place to be from" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 20:57:28
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On 12 2006 13:27:45 -0700, "Heat + Beans" <heatgunroast@gmail.com >
wrote:
>Can't resist establishing my Valley cred.:
>Spent summer of '69 in England (Isle of Wight: Dylan, The Who, Cocker)
>getting a bit nervous reading "back home" news of Charlie Manson.
>Returned to my Box Canyon home to find most things in order.
>Martin
Van Nuys High '67.
Marshall
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 08:17:38
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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should I quote some of your bad language, harmon?
its all here
dave "124"
Robert Harmon wrote:
It's nice once in a while to open a post & be able to say with
> sincerity, "What a stupid SOB that jerk is!".
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 15:35:46
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in news:1160234258.477446.12940
@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> should I quote some of your bad language, harmon?
>
> its all here
>
> dave "124"
>
>
> Robert Harmon wrote:
>
> It's nice once in a while to open a post & be able to say with
>> sincerity, "What a stupid SOB that jerk is!".
>
>
Sure, but even an ignoramus like you will recognize that it was
intelligently crafted 'bad language'.
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 03:01:37
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I tend to only put down those who disagree with everything I have to
say, just because it is me saying it.
And in this [clearly labeled] post, if you recall, I was QUOTING,
verbatim, the words of another!
however irksome that may be.
> >
>
> Oh, I forgot - I also dislike your continued use of the group
> primarily to advertise your wares whilst putting down almost everyone
> who might disagree with your views.
>
> --
Danny
>
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 21:04:57
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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daveb wrote:
> I tend to only put down those who disagree with everything I have to
> say, just because it is me saying it.
Dave, you dislike anyone who disagress with your point of view, and
your point of view is often at complete odds with the majority of the
group - HX's, backflushing etc, even when people whom you admire in
other posts share the general concensus. You have a narrow band of
belief, and whatever falls outside your belief or comprehension gets a
one line dismissal, usually without any facts to back your views. Not
helpful in a discussion arena.
>
>
>
> And in this [clearly labeled] post, if you recall, I was QUOTING,
> verbatim, the words of another!
Crosspost? from which group was that?
>
> however irksome that may be.
I have many customers who tell me how wonderful my coffee is, and I
receive many emails regarding the content on my site, but I would feel
ashamed to keep recounting the fact to the group - yes, it's irksome
and shows a lack of understanding to keep shoving this stuff in
peoples' faces.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 16:47:26
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I think that you (and Bernie and Barry and the other regulars who are pro's)
have in fact told us a lot about your customers and your product over the
years . And I have to say that you have told it to us in such a charming
and engaging way that when I see one of your "sitting in a field" letters I
can't wait to read it and I'm sorry that its over so soon when I get done -
I want to say, like a little kid - "tell us another story Danny - please,
please." And while these posts are absolutely non-commercial in purpose,
they in fact have great marketing value - post-modern marketing doesn't hit
you head-on like a sledgehammer because we're all immune to that approach
by now, it gets at you thru the back door of your emotions when your guard
is down, just like great modern marketing should. After reading one of your
missives, I wish that your truck was not 4000 miles away - I'd be down for a
shot or two right away if I could.
OTOH, there are some people (I'm not accusing anyone in particular) who
always end biting any hand that is extended to them - they can't tell the
difference between a hand extended in friendship and a hand extended for a
slap. I can't sing a tune on key to save my life or tell you whether a
note is a A or a C - some people have a tin ear for social cues (these are
doubly hard to pick up in the form of pure text) or have learned at an early
age that an extended hand ALWAYS means a slap is coming, so that they can't
help but let the veneer of social courtesy slip and show their fangs at the
merest "provocation". I think we would all do this if we had been raised by
wolves but most of us have been socialized like good dogs and the veneer
will only slip when we've been pushed REALLY hard. I'm somewhat amazed that
this kind of "tin ear" doesn't get in the way of success in business but
there are some people who are quite good at the technical aspects of what
they do and this compensates for their lack of social skills or they are
able to work thru the structured social environment of a business
transaction without tripping over themselves as they do in less formal
settings.
"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4oqfieFfql1oU1@individual.net...
> daveb wrote:
>> I tend to only put down those who disagree with everything I have to
>> say, just because it is me saying it.
>
> Dave, you dislike anyone who disagress with your point of view, and your
> point of view is often at complete odds with the majority of the group -
> HX's, backflushing etc, even when people whom you admire in other posts
> share the general concensus. You have a narrow band of belief, and
> whatever falls outside your belief or comprehension gets a one line
> dismissal, usually without any facts to back your views. Not helpful in a
> discussion arena.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> And in this [clearly labeled] post, if you recall, I was QUOTING,
>> verbatim, the words of another!
>
> Crosspost? from which group was that?
>
>>
>> however irksome that may be.
>
> I have many customers who tell me how wonderful my coffee is, and I
> receive many emails regarding the content on my site, but I would feel
> ashamed to keep recounting the fact to the group - yes, it's irksome and
> shows a lack of understanding to keep shoving this stuff in peoples'
> faces.
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
>
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 23:13:37
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Sat, 7 2006 16:47:26 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
>when I see one of your "sitting in a field" letters I
>can't wait to read it
OTOH, perhaps alt.prose.boring might be a more appropriate forum...
but rather than flame the poster, IGNORE solves the issue.
A little more tolerance would go a long way here
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 10:31:32
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Wait, isn't calling someone's prose boring a form of flame? How can you ask
for tolerance and insult someone at the same time?
"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pscgi2lsc79jck95f4j0vaovk9bfqkik1r@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 7 2006 16:47:26 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>when I see one of your "sitting in a field" letters I
>>can't wait to read it
>
> OTOH, perhaps alt.prose.boring might be a more appropriate forum...
> but rather than flame the poster, IGNORE solves the issue.
>
> A little more tolerance would go a long way here
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 01:55:17
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Sun, 8 2006 10:31:32 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
>Wait, isn't calling someone's prose boring a form of flame? How can you ask
>for tolerance and insult someone at the same time?
If one replied to the post and said something like "post this in
alt.prose.boring", that would be a flame.
To reference a post as an example that one found only obliquely
relevant to the topic of the ng and suggest that one simply ignore it
is not a flame.
If one cannot distinguish such subtlies, then there is little hope for
their espresso. <vbg >
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 22:02:59
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Except that's not what you did....you're the one who made a snarky reference
to alt.prose.boring the first time. You're trying to have it both ways and
you can't.
"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:toaji2p67k07qhuib143jo09bc3i76vqij@4ax.com...
>
> To reference a post as an example that one found only obliquely
> relevant to the topic of the ng and suggest that one simply ignore it
> is not a flame.
>
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 04:54:03
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Sun, 8 2006 22:02:59 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
>Except that's not what you did....you're the one who made a snarky reference
>to alt.prose.boring the first time. You're trying to have it both ways and
>you can't.
>
Mea culpa!!!
I should have said "OTOH, some might consider..." rather than "OTOH,
perhaps" I assure you _ I was not flaming _, but merely using _ your _
referenced post.
I'll try to remember to be more pedantic in future replies.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 16:56:10
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I- >Ian wrote:
> On Sun, 8 2006 10:31:32 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Wait, isn't calling someone's prose boring a form of flame? How can you ask
>>for tolerance and insult someone at the same time?
>
>
> If one replied to the post and said something like "post this in
> alt.prose.boring", that would be a flame.
>
> To reference a post as an example that one found only obliquely
> relevant to the topic of the ng and suggest that one simply ignore it
> is not a flame.
>
> If one cannot distinguish such subtlies, then there is little hope for
> their espresso. <vbg>
I only continued the "sitting in a field" posts as they were requested
many times, here and by email. They are on topic for the group.
Sorry you find them offensive, but you can always ignore them, since
they are always titled as above.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 17:02:06
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
On Mon, 09 2006 16:56:10 +0100, Danny
<danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
>
>I only continued the "sitting in a field" posts as they were requested
>many times, here and by email. They are on topic for the group.
>Sorry you find them offensive, but you can always ignore them, since
>they are always titled as above.
Danny,
I'm not a politician. I leave 'no room deniability'
I actually read the 'sitting in field' posts as there is deep longing
to return to clean air and green grass from this sphincter we call
SmelLA.
The imagery is often nice and the UK slang resonates deeply. Such
terms are lost on the inerudite bugwits that abound in these environs.
We have no clotted cream, just clots.
Sorry I referenced your post to make a point.
PAX
Ian
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 12:11:46
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
Supposedly this was exactly his point (that one should just ignore posts
that you don't like) , but he couldn't help but getting in a little dig at
you at the same time (he says unintentionally but I think it was a clever
little passive-agreessive trick where you insult someone and pretend not to
at the same time, phrasing it in a way where you have just enough room for
deniability).
"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4ov9nuFg7li0U2@individual.net...
but you can always ignore them, since
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 21:56:28
From: John Frank
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Samohi '76
What "locals only" crap at Topanga? I thought that the locals only
thing was all of the west side versus all of the valley.
John
Heat + Beans wrote:
> Sorry, Dave, Pali is "over the hill" and doesn't count for this
> particular line of reminiscence.
>
> Martin (still smarting from all that "locals only" crap down at
> Topanga.)
>
> daveb wrote:
> > Palisades, S '66
> >
> > dave b
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 21:24:23
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
Sorry, Dave, Pali is "over the hill" and doesn't count for this
particular line of reminiscence.
Martin (still smarting from all that "locals only" crap down at
Topanga.)
daveb wrote:
> Palisades, S '66
>
> dave b
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 15:44:04
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Palisades, S '66
dave b
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 17:00:03
From: John Frank
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
I remember those days, Martin (though not as a participant in any
way... somehow I never got into surfing). I wonder if things have
changed? Mindless us-vs-them mentality seems to come very easy to
humans, unfortunately.
I see the surfers off of Topanga Beach almost every morning on the way
to work... and my daughter and I also often spot dolphins or flocks of
pelicans at play in the surf. The view outside my windows right now
look like a beautiful painting right now, too.
Somewhere in this thread the guy who posted the flowery piece about
appreciating one's coffee and not focusing on the cup badmouthed life
in LA and found only bad things to say about this extremely diverse
city in which I feel blessed to live... did anyone else notice the
irony?
There are many aspects about LA that I do not like... and I choose to
focus on the positives, of which there are many. Perhaps the rest of
the huge expatriot community from England might also be doing the
same--it's hard to explain their presence otherwise.
John
Heat + Beans wrote:
> I'm talking about Topanga Beach. In my time, westsiders figured they
> owned everything surfable from Mexico to the Aleutians.
>
> Martin
>
> John Frank wrote:
> > Samohi '76
> >
> > What "locals only" crap at Topanga? I thought that the locals only
> > thing was all of the west side versus all of the valley.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > Heat + Beans wrote:
> > > Sorry, Dave, Pali is "over the hill" and doesn't count for this
> > > particular line of reminiscence.
> > >
> > > Martin (still smarting from all that "locals only" crap down at
> > > Topanga.)
> > >
> > > daveb wrote:
> > > > Palisades, S '66
> > > >
> > > > dave b
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 16:28:51
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I'm talking about Topanga Beach. In my time, westsiders figured they
owned everything surfable from Mexico to the Aleutians.
Martin
John Frank wrote:
> Samohi '76
>
> What "locals only" crap at Topanga? I thought that the locals only
> thing was all of the west side versus all of the valley.
>
> John
>
>
> Heat + Beans wrote:
> > Sorry, Dave, Pali is "over the hill" and doesn't count for this
> > particular line of reminiscence.
> >
> > Martin (still smarting from all that "locals only" crap down at
> > Topanga.)
> >
> > daveb wrote:
> > > Palisades, S '66
> > >
> > > dave b
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Date: 14 Oct 2006 07:51:23
From: John Frank
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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You moved back to "canyon life"? Which canyon?
I plan things to avoid getting stuck in traffic, that's definitely the
biggest negative about living in LA. Now that I am 20 minutes from
either Woodland Hills or Santa Monica, though, I almost always choose
Woodland Hills if I need to buy something.
John
Heat + Beans wrote:
> After my "land-side" place (breath taking view) burned in Malibu in
> '93, we "fell into" a lease at the beach. A "wet-beach" meaning that
> at higher tides waves broke under the house. Couldn't rebuild on the
> hillside after trying for a year and a half, so we moved back to canyon
> life. When I'm home, I can't think of any place in the universe I'd
> rather be. Helps me survive trying to drive "anywhere" on the Westside
> on a Friday afternoon. At least the commute on PCH offers good stuff
> to look at when you are sitting still.
> Martin
>
>
>
> John Frank wrote:
> > I remember those days, Martin (though not as a participant in any
> > way... somehow I never got into surfing). I wonder if things have
> > changed? Mindless us-vs-them mentality seems to come very easy to
> > humans, unfortunately.
> >
> > I see the surfers off of Topanga Beach almost every morning on the way
> > to work... and my daughter and I also often spot dolphins or flocks of
> > pelicans at play in the surf. The view outside my windows right now
> > look like a beautiful painting right now, too.
> >
> > Somewhere in this thread the guy who posted the flowery piece about
> > appreciating one's coffee and not focusing on the cup badmouthed life
> > in LA and found only bad things to say about this extremely diverse
> > city in which I feel blessed to live... did anyone else notice the
> > irony?
> >
> > There are many aspects about LA that I do not like... and I choose to
> > focus on the positives, of which there are many. Perhaps the rest of
> > the huge expatriot community from England might also be doing the
> > same--it's hard to explain their presence otherwise.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Heat + Beans wrote:
> > > I'm talking about Topanga Beach. In my time, westsiders figured they
> > > owned everything surfable from Mexico to the Aleutians.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > John Frank wrote:
> > > > Samohi '76
> > > >
> > > > What "locals only" crap at Topanga? I thought that the locals only
> > > > thing was all of the west side versus all of the valley.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Heat + Beans wrote:
> > > > > Sorry, Dave, Pali is "over the hill" and doesn't count for this
> > > > > particular line of reminiscence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin (still smarting from all that "locals only" crap down at
> > > > > Topanga.)
> > > > >
> > > > > daveb wrote:
> > > > > > Palisades, S '66
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dave b
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 22:22:34
From: Heat + Beans
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
After my "land-side" place (breath taking view) burned in Malibu in
'93, we "fell into" a lease at the beach. A "wet-beach" meaning that
at higher tides waves broke under the house. Couldn't rebuild on the
hillside after trying for a year and a half, so we moved back to canyon
life. When I'm home, I can't think of any place in the universe I'd
rather be. Helps me survive trying to drive "anywhere" on the Westside
on a Friday afternoon. At least the commute on PCH offers good stuff
to look at when you are sitting still.
Martin
John Frank wrote:
> I remember those days, Martin (though not as a participant in any
> way... somehow I never got into surfing). I wonder if things have
> changed? Mindless us-vs-them mentality seems to come very easy to
> humans, unfortunately.
>
> I see the surfers off of Topanga Beach almost every morning on the way
> to work... and my daughter and I also often spot dolphins or flocks of
> pelicans at play in the surf. The view outside my windows right now
> look like a beautiful painting right now, too.
>
> Somewhere in this thread the guy who posted the flowery piece about
> appreciating one's coffee and not focusing on the cup badmouthed life
> in LA and found only bad things to say about this extremely diverse
> city in which I feel blessed to live... did anyone else notice the
> irony?
>
> There are many aspects about LA that I do not like... and I choose to
> focus on the positives, of which there are many. Perhaps the rest of
> the huge expatriot community from England might also be doing the
> same--it's hard to explain their presence otherwise.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> Heat + Beans wrote:
> > I'm talking about Topanga Beach. In my time, westsiders figured they
> > owned everything surfable from Mexico to the Aleutians.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > John Frank wrote:
> > > Samohi '76
> > >
> > > What "locals only" crap at Topanga? I thought that the locals only
> > > thing was all of the west side versus all of the valley.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > Heat + Beans wrote:
> > > > Sorry, Dave, Pali is "over the hill" and doesn't count for this
> > > > particular line of reminiscence.
> > > >
> > > > Martin (still smarting from all that "locals only" crap down at
> > > > Topanga.)
> > > >
> > > > daveb wrote:
> > > > > Palisades, S '66
> > > > >
> > > > > dave b
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 02:33:27
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia -- Quelle dommage!
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Quelle dommage!
Dave "124"
> > morceaudemerde
> ken
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 14:35:54
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from Home barista
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I'm sure your coffee is great. I'd love to be able to come over and
have some, sometime. You have many skills and experiences that exceed
mune by wide measure.
All I learned about usenets I learned right here, Danny. The vitriol
that was heaped on when I witlessly spammed the group,oh almost 2 years
ago, was so excessive and over the top, I responded in kind. and will
continue as appropriate.
There is a coterie of users here that persist in lecturing me,
insulting and name calling.
All very amusing. Even more amusing that they continue, month after
month, year after year, without making any real progress.
the cross posting was from Home Barista.com
And things I say here are from my own direct experiences with hx,
backflushing, using and repairing hundreds of home espresso machines
and etc.; selling scores of silvias and other machines and answering
questions -- email and voice -- with people all over the world.
So if your goal is to amuse me, well done.
And if you want, I guess I could dig up all sorts of compliments from
my customers [besides those that are on ebay for the world to see.]
sorry I don't conform, Danny.
Dave
125
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 11:37:40
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost piefight
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back and forth goes the pie fight.
Jack Denver wrote:
> Wait, isn't calling someone's prose boring a form of flame? How can you ask
> for tolerance and insult someone at the same time?
>
>
>
> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:pscgi2lsc79jck95f4j0vaovk9bfqkik1r@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 7 2006 16:47:26 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> > <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> >>when I see one of your "sitting in a field" letters I
> >>can't wait to read it
> >
> > OTOH, perhaps alt.prose.boring might be a more appropriate forum...
> > but rather than flame the poster, IGNORE solves the issue.
> >
> > A little more tolerance would go a long way here
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 11:22:37
From: John Frank
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Ian, I live in Topanga Canyon, and it is in no way a sphincter...
there's clean air, lots of growing things, lots of animals, and stars
at night. LA is a big place and there are pockets of beauty all around
if you know where to look.
You can get some pretty dang good sushi here, and lots of other great
foods...
And Caffe Luxxe (I should start getting a commission) in Santa Monica
where I am going after work has extremely good espresso.
And speaking of work, I'd better get back to it!
John
> I actually read the 'sitting in field' posts as there is deep longing
> to return to clean air and green grass from this sphincter we call
> SmelLA.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 19:19:30
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
On 9 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "John Frank" <johndfrank@excite.com >
wrote:
>Ian, I live in Topanga Canyon, and it is in no way a sphincter...
>there's clean air, lots of growing things, lots of animals, and stars
>at night. LA is a big place and there are pockets of beauty all around
>if you know where to look.
>
>You can get some pretty dang good sushi here, and lots of other great
>foods...
>
>And Caffe Luxxe (I should start getting a commission) in Santa Monica
>where I am going after work has extremely good espresso.
>
>And speaking of work, I'd better get back to it!
>
>John
I live not 10 miles from Topanga Canyon, have a view across Hidden
Hills from the top of a hill, a breeze from the ocean every afternoon
and abundant wildlife in our natural habitat property.
Six 9's of the stars are invisible due to light and air pollution.
We recently rode the Orange / Red / Blue Line from the West San
Fernando Valley to Long Beach and back. There are areas of such
extreme decay that it is unfathomable that people could live in such
squalor.
Owensmouth and Sherman Way, about 20 miles from you, has recently
become the murder capital of LA. I traverse that area daily as I cycle
to the office. I've been shot once and do not relish a review.
When compared to where I lived near Skipton, Yorkshire, and where I
would often stop on the tops just to marvel at the sheer beauty of the
landscape, the soubriquet stands.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 17:47:02
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
I can see for a Brit that LA would look nowhere as green as the English
countryside - actually LA is built in a desert and is much more lush than it
has any right to be, courtesy of oodles of water transported over vast
distances. As for crime, there are parts of London, Manchester, etc. where
your odds of being a crime victim are no better than in some parts of LA,
the difference being that they'll probably stab you instead of shoot you.
I confess that LA is not my favorite city but because of its overall low
density (most of it is more like a giant sprawling suburb than a city, at
least to the eyes of someone raised around the older cities of the
Northeast) and its topography with mountains and hills too steep to build
on all around, it actually has more unbuilt (if not always green) areas than
most large cities. If you are used to seeing the concrete jungle of North
Philadelphia with its rowhouses, factories and rubble strewn vacant lots or
the Bronx with its endless tenement buildings, the worst parts of East LA
look (deceptively) bucolic with cute little bungalows with neat green little
patches of lawn in every front yard. And you can (if you're not stuck in
freeway traffic) be in a genuine wilderness much faster than you can in the
East.
Of course light pollution in any large city means you're not going to see a
lot of stars - ditto London. But a little driving (again if you're not stuck
in a jam) will get you out to some areas where the sky is pretty dark.
"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:lq6li29nq43o0rdcuv9eqqtiovh8g3b3j8@4ax.com...
> On 9 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "John Frank" <johndfrank@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Ian, I live in Topanga Canyon, and it is in no way a sphincter...
>>there's clean air, lots of growing things, lots of animals, and stars
>>at night. LA is a big place and there are pockets of beauty all around
>>if you know where to look.
>>
>>You can get some pretty dang good sushi here, and lots of other great
>>foods...
>>
>>And Caffe Luxxe (I should start getting a commission) in Santa Monica
>>where I am going after work has extremely good espresso.
>>
>>And speaking of work, I'd better get back to it!
>>
>>John
>
> I live not 10 miles from Topanga Canyon, have a view across Hidden
> Hills from the top of a hill, a breeze from the ocean every afternoon
> and abundant wildlife in our natural habitat property.
>
> Six 9's of the stars are invisible due to light and air pollution.
>
> We recently rode the Orange / Red / Blue Line from the West San
> Fernando Valley to Long Beach and back. There are areas of such
> extreme decay that it is unfathomable that people could live in such
> squalor.
>
> Owensmouth and Sherman Way, about 20 miles from you, has recently
> become the murder capital of LA. I traverse that area daily as I cycle
> to the office. I've been shot once and do not relish a review.
>
> When compared to where I lived near Skipton, Yorkshire, and where I
> would often stop on the tops just to marvel at the sheer beauty of the
> landscape, the soubriquet stands.
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 03:06:57
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
|
On Mon, 9 2006 17:47:02 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
>I can see for a Brit that LA would look nowhere as green as the English
>countryside - actually LA is built in a desert and is much more lush than it
>has any right to be, courtesy of oodles of water transported over vast
>distances. As for crime, there are parts of London, Manchester, etc. where
>your odds of being a crime victim are no better than in some parts of LA,
>the difference being that they'll probably stab you instead of shoot you.
I don't really understand this thread. Why would anyone compare a
major city to the most bucolic parts of the English countryside?
Should I start a thread comparing Big Sur to Brixton? No one with an
ounce of sense bicycles down Sherman Way. It's called "street smarts."
My daughter loved her term at UCL and loves London, nothwithstanding
that she was robbed of her purse in her first week and had to make her
way through crowds of crack whores between her residence hall and her
classes.
For those of us who can afford it, Los Angeles can be a lovely place
to live. But the social disparities here are truly cruel, as in most
cities.
Marshall
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 13:10:36
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I agree with what you say.
The other day I parked on Walnut St. near Rittenhouse Square in
Philadelphia where there is a stretch of upscale shops - boutiques, etc.
while my wife returned something to a store. This block would not be
impressive in Beverly Hills but still it attracts the kind of shoppers who
have the disposable income to spend several hundred $ on a pair of shoes or
$100+ on a pair of "designer jeans". I happened to park next to a trash
can. While my wife was in the store (no longer than 15 minutes) no fewer
than 3 (what I assume are) homeless people visited the trash can in search
of food or drink. One left empty handed, the other found a 1/2 full bottle
of juice which he consumed with apparent enjoyment. But the third was my
favorite - he picked up a Starbucks cup, took a sip and then discarded it
with a great theatrical show of disgust. Perhaps he was an alt.coffee
reader in his better days.
All humor aside, the contrast between the wealthy shoppers and the homeless
people foraging in trash cans (as you say a scene that could probably be
duplicated in almost any big city) was mind boggling, especially for someone
raised in semi-rural America such as me, where pretty much everyone shopped
at W.T. Grant and Bradlees (these were the days before Walmart) and there
were neither $100 blue jean wearers nor dumpster divers to be seen, let
alone brushing elbows with each other.
"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:r63mi2dllno6aduhep871ckce2k4egvl05@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 9 2006 17:47:02 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> For those of us who can afford it, Los Angeles can be a lovely place
> to live. But the social disparities here are truly cruel, as in most
> cities.
>
> Marshall
>
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 13:35:59
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On 2006-10-10, Jack Denver <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
> with a great theatrical show of disgust. Perhaps he was an alt.coffee
> reader in his better days.
LOL....
> at W.T. Grant....
Mmmm.... an egg salad sandwich and a Coca-Cola at the WT Grant lunch
counter. (snugly warm memories)
> were neither $100 blue jean wearers nor dumpster divers to be seen, let
> alone brushing elbows with each other.
Such is the case when intentional govt apathy allows economic
terrorism to exist in the form of unchecked illegal immegration which
guts the livelihood of the middle class in favor of insanely
disproportional wealth for big business. One of those homeless people
may have been a former master carpenter who used to work hard to earn
a good living and had a family and his own home in a nice
neighborhood, but lost it all because an "illegal" (note the quote on
illegal) worker would do a less competent, job for $10 less per hour,
despite the fact the price of the house being built are going for ever
higher and higher prices. And that's ok, because the contractor
doesn't give a goodgoddamn if the house is a piece of crap as long as
he makes a lot of money off it. It's called concentration of wealth,
and it's destroying our country.
Don't get me wrong. I'm no socialist. I figure we ...any one of
us... deserve only what we earn. And, I don't begrudge the illegals
for trying to get some of it. Let's face it, we've got a lot. But,
it's the hight of hypocrisy for the wealthy to expect protection and
favors from govt while denyng the same for what was a strong middle
class, the middle class that made this country the great nation it
once was. But, that's the way it is, isn't it. The golden rule.
They who have the gold, rule. OK, I've vented. Address any replies
to my therapist. I need an Irish Coffee. ;)
nb
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 15:50:11
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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We're getting way OT, but I had the feeling that none of those homeless
people were master carpenters who had lost their job to Mexicans. Rather
they looked to me like people who probably had mental illness or substance
abuse problems. The assembly line worker who has lost his job is working at
Wal-mart for a lower hourly wage, not dumpster diving.
OTOH if I were an employer in search of unskilled labor to mop the floors
of my shop I might have had to put up with George, who shows up drunk or
not at all some days when the voices in his head were louder than usual if
he was the only one I could find, but now I can hire Jose' who is reliable
and works very hard for the same wage - it's a no brainer as to which one I
will hire. Right now there is a farm labor crisis in Cal. because of
increased border security - fruit is going unpicked because there are no
Americans who want to do this kind of unpleasant work at any price.
This kind of large disparity between rich and poor was the norm for most of
history and remains so today in many 3rd world countries (Brasil, India,
etc.) - the US achieved a brief middle class nirvana in the post-war period
due to a unique alignment of a bunch of factors (e.g. the industrial base of
much of the world was in rubble, ours was in great shape and at the cutting
edge due to all the wartime research and spending, a progressive income tax
system and a social consensus that made it prudent not to flaunt wealth,
reduced labor pool due to all the young men who were killed in the war or in
uniform fighting the cold war, a period when the gates of immigration were
effectively locked, etc.) but I don't think we are going back to that
situation any time soon (or maybe we are if N. Korea "gets busy" dropping
nukes all around E. Asia). There's no doubt though that the middle class is
being hollowed out and we are living in a society where incomes are being
increasingly clustered between a group of high income "haves" who have
benefitted from globalization and a larger group of "have nots" who have
been hurt by it. Overall though we are a much richer society and
globalization has cut the price of consumer goods so that even the relative
"have-nots" have luxuries such as dishwashers, microwaves,(espresso
machines) etc. that were the exclusive domain of the rich when we were
growing up. The bad news is that the ex-auto worker is working at Walmart -
the good news is that he can still afford a $79 microwave oven.
"notbob" <notbob@nothome.com > wrote in message
news:vK6dnU_HENWSdbbYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Such is the case when intentional govt apathy allows economic
> terrorism to exist in the form of unchecked illegal immegration which
> guts the livelihood of the middle class in favor of insanely
> disproportional wealth for big business. One of those homeless people
> may have been a former master carpenter who used to work hard to earn
> a good living and had a family and his own home in a nice
> neighborhood, but lost it all because an "illegal" (note the quote on
> illegal) worker would do a less competent, job for $10 less per hour,
> despite the fact the price of the house being built are going for ever
> higher and higher prices. And that's ok, because the contractor
> doesn't give a goodgoddamn if the house is a piece of crap as long as
> he makes a lot of money off it. It's called concentration of wealth,
> and it's destroying our country.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I'm no socialist. I figure we ...any one of
> us... deserve only what we earn. And, I don't begrudge the illegals
> for trying to get some of it. Let's face it, we've got a lot. But,
> it's the hight of hypocrisy for the wealthy to expect protection and
> favors from govt while denyng the same for what was a strong middle
> class, the middle class that made this country the great nation it
> once was. But, that's the way it is, isn't it. The golden rule.
> They who have the gold, rule. OK, I've vented. Address any replies
> to my therapist. I need an Irish Coffee. ;)
>
> nb
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 20:19:43
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Tue, 10 2006 15:50:11 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
>Right now there is a farm labor crisis in Cal. because of
>increased border security - fruit is going unpicked because there are no
>Americans who want to do this kind of unpleasant work at any price.
More correctly :
There are no Americans who _ HAVE _ to do this kind of [...] work at
any price
As a child, there was fierce competetion to get summer jobs picking
fruit. If you weren't damned good at it there was some else to take
your place.
As far as unpleasant, outdoors, fresh air, competition to see who
could pick the most. We could earn REAL Money, far more than the
minimum wage. There was INCENTIVE !!
Dad's cut the lawn.
Hustling kids cut lawns for pensioner for $2 a week. Want a new
skateboard? Earn it.
The reason the fruit is unpicked is due to :
1 - welfare state
2 - expanded credit
> he can still afford a $79 microwave oven
But he may have to purchase several Crap Made in China models over the
same lifetime as a Litton made in the US in the 1970s
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 09:16:59
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I- >Ian wrote:
-snip-
> But he may have to purchase several Crap Made in China models over the
> same lifetime as a Litton made in the US in the 1970s
I'm actually surprised at the longevity of some things. I bought a
£39.00 microwave / combination grill (800w/1200w) from Tesco.
Stainless Steel, probably Chinese, but it has taken a battering in the
trailer. It's stowed away each night, driven round, got out every
morning, used 10-12 times a day for 3:30 each time (heating stuff).
It's a year old and still looks like new, and performs the same. If
it broke next week I'd buy another one, since less than £1 week is
good value...it's just a shame it'd go to landfill. I also had a 16
year old Hitachi that is still giving good service to the person I
gave it to when I upgraded.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 15:19:05
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On 2006-10-10, Jack Denver <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:
> growing up. The bad news is that the ex-auto worker is working at Walmart -
> the good news is that he can still afford a $79 microwave oven.
Ahh... leave it to ol' JD to calm the waters with a rational well
balanced spin. Good on ya', Jack. Even I am soothed by your
measuring of the human condition against time everlasting. I can now
settle for the status quo unembittered, knowing it is hopeless to
aspire to better and that mankind is doomed to never evolve to a
higher plane. No problem. At this rate we'll all be extinct by
Thursday.
Jay-sus, what's in this CoE #17!? ...besides the brandy. ;)
nb
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 17:38:17
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Tue, 10 2006 03:06:57 GMT, Marshall
<mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
>No one with an
>ounce of sense bicycles down Sherman Way. It's called "street smarts."
Someday we'll have to compare girth, blood pressure and resting heart
rates. <vbg >
A tank of petrol lasts me well over a month... I'm not a contributor
to the smog, but a victim.
>For those of us who can afford it, Los Angeles can be a lovely place
>to live.
Let's see, two houses, no mortgage on either, no debt... People who
visit always say "I had no idea one could find a place like this in
LA. It's just like being in the country."
The only way I could call LA 'lovely' is if I'd been born and raised
in Tijuana or a Mexico City slum... and before too long, LA will be
indistinguishable from either.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 21:16:19
From: Danny
Subject: OT:Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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I- >Ian wrote:
-snip-
> When compared to where I lived near Skipton, Yorkshire, and where I
> would often stop on the tops just to marvel at the sheer beauty of the
> landscape, the soubriquet stands.
I used to go hang gliding on Baildon Moor, near Shipley (unfortunately
the home of Harry Ramsden's famous fish & chips) and was quite happy
if gliding was cancelled due to the weather, since I could just sit on
the moors and enjoy the scenery. I know live quite near the New
Forest (Hampshire) and enjoy the area, and Dorset to the west.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 20:25:22
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: OT:Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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On Mon, 09 2006 21:16:19 +0100, Danny
<danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
>home of Harry Ramsden's famous fish & chips
Never had those, but Walker's near Scarborough was always a favorite.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:32:17
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 9 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "John Frank" <johndfrank@excite.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Ian, I live in Topanga Canyon, and it is in no way a sphincter...
>>there's clean air, lots of growing things, lots of animals, and stars
>>at night. LA is a big place and there are pockets of beauty all around
>>if you know where to look.
>>
>>You can get some pretty dang good sushi here, and lots of other great
>>foods...
>>
>>And Caffe Luxxe (I should start getting a commission) in Santa Monica
>>where I am going after work has extremely good espresso.
>>
>>And speaking of work, I'd better get back to it!
>>
>>John
>
>I live not 10 miles from Topanga Canyon, have a view across Hidden
>Hills from the top of a hill, a breeze from the ocean every afternoon
>and abundant wildlife in our natural habitat property.
>
>Owensmouth and Sherman Way, about 20 miles from you, has recently
>become the murder capital of LA. I traverse that area daily as I cycle
>to the office. I've been shot once and do not relish a review.
>
Man, it's like a homecoming dance! I graduated from Poly High and LA
Valley College. I lived in the house on a corner of DeSoto, one block
south of Saticoy (Ingomer I think, or maybe it was Cohassett),
kitty-corner/across the street from the church. Later bought a house
east of DeSoto between Victory and Vanowen. I Use to bicycle (and
sometimes we took the tandem) over Topanga and loop back into the
valley through Old Topanga Cyn. I was the asst. sales manager of
"Cycle World" on Reseda Blvd. for a couple of years. It wasn't so bad
back then (left in '88) and we actually use to walk to Follow Your
Heart on Sherman Way near Topanga Cyn.
After the earthquake things changed quite a bit- maybe not the cause,
but possibly an accelerant. Fortunately for me, I was gone by then.
Randy "a good place to be from" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 10:22:02
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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Danny wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > hjghjfhjghjhj
>
> Hardly worth the effor of replying, other than to look silly. Nothing
> serious to say?
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 08:05:49
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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hjghjfhjghjhj
Danny wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > from Chris of Chris' Coffee:
> >
> -snip-
>
> That's what we all love about you, Dave - far too shy for your own good.
>
> I hate it.
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 17:45:48
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Crosspost of note from HB re: Quickmill Alexia
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daveb wrote:
> hjghjfhjghjhj
Hardly worth the effor of replying, other than to look silly. Nothing
serious to say?
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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