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Date: 27 Aug 2006 09:38:18
From: bernie digman
Subject: Ebay question for ebayers
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I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One auction is ending today.
Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders with (obviously) no history who seem to be the
high bidders. I find it sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay would
jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp,
3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who
buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
Bernie
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 12:37:13
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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It's impossible to say, given the information provided. It might be a shill
bidder but it might also be someone who is in the coffee business but is not
an ebay regular and has been clued in by a friend, or maybe from reading
about this auction on alt.coffee, which is why I never asked questions about
open auctions I am interested in bidding on on alt.coffee.
"bernie digman" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:44f1bc6e@nntp.zianet.com...
> I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One
> auction is ending today. Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders
> with (obviously) no history who seem to be the high bidders. I find it
> sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay
> would jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not
> everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp, 3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on
> ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who buy regularly
> if this would seem unusual or not.
> Bernie
>
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 08:56:36
From: MOJO
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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bernie digman wrote:
> I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One auction is ending today.
> Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders with (obviously) no history who seem to be the
> high bidders. I find it sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay would
> jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp,
> 3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who
> buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
> Bernie
Just my opinion but yes it seems a little strange. I can't understand
why one might resort to shilling as/verses putting a reserve on the
item or a minimum bid. Just hoping to get you excited I guess.
MOJO
(Senior Skeptics Mate)
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 15:55:46
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:38:18 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com >
wrote:
>I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One auction is ending today.
>Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders with (obviously) no history who seem to be the
>high bidders. I find it sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay would
>jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp,
>3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who
>buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
>Bernie
I'm a regular, Bernie.
I don't want you to miss out on something because of this comment, so
please know that I don't _know_ what's up in this case, but it does
smell like a ringer.
That being said, for me the process is simple; decide what I want to
pay and let eBay bid for me. That will keep one from even worrying
about it.
If I'm willing to pay $299.01 and no more that's my max bid.
I don't care if there is a ringer.
I'm still not going to pay more than $299.01 with eBay bidding for me.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 15:55:21
From: sprsso
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Hey, Bernie,
I'm seeing this more and more. In recent auctions for digital cameras,
I noticed first-time bidders were frequent, and drove the auction
price to significantly more than one would pay at Wallyworld, for
example. I suppose you could look at feedback to see if first-timers
are often winners of a given seller's sales.
Having worked in auction houses for several years, I was surprised at
the number of tricks both buyers and sellers use....al
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:38:18 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com >
wrote:
>I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One auction is ending today.
>Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders with (obviously) no history who seem to be the
>high bidders. I find it sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay would
>jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp,
>3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who
>buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
>Bernie
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:25:55
From: bernie digman
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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sprsso wrote:
> Hey, Bernie,
> I'm seeing this more and more. In recent auctions for digital cameras,
> I noticed first-time bidders were frequent, and drove the auction
> price to significantly more than one would pay at Wallyworld, for
> example. I suppose you could look at feedback to see if first-timers
> are often winners of a given seller's sales.
> Having worked in auction houses for several years, I was surprised at
> the number of tricks both buyers and sellers use....al
>
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:38:18 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One auction is ending today.
>>Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders with (obviously) no history who seem to be the
>>high bidders. I find it sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay would
>>jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp,
>>3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who
>>buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
>>Bernie
>
>
Hmmmm. I did go back and check, al. There is no history at all on this seller, but I was outbid
on a previous grinder. They have an extensive page of how to pay and return policy etc. It seems odd
to me that the previous sale of a grinder like this one was won by a first timer and now doesn't
show up on the feedback or previous listings. It must be me. I must be over-cautious.
Bernie
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 17:16:54
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Hi Bernie,
Shill bidding is not unheard of & it's becoming rampant because it's so easy
for an eBay seller to set up an alternate identity & bid on their own stuff.
I myself have three identities on eBay, but at least their easily identified
as me since they all have pearland in the name; 1) buyers ID, 2) book seller
ID, 3) everything else seller - but mostly coffee related.
I suggest forgetting about bidding on an auction & setting up a bid sniper
account. This way you establish your maximum bid amount & it isn't placed
until seconds before the auction ends. This keeps last second bidders from
topping you. The secret is to determine what an item is worth to you & not
falling in love with it until it's yours. As a seller I love it when two or
three bidders get caught up in competition with each other.
Just don't use this on an item I want, that's all. ;)
--
Robert (eBayer & coffee hobbyist extraordinaire) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"bernie digman" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:44f1bc6e@nntp.zianet.com...
> I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One
> auction is ending today. Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders
> with (obviously) no history who seem to be the high bidders. I find it
> sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay
> would jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not
> everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp, 3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on
> ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who buy regularly
> if this would seem unusual or not.
> Bernie
>
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 12:18:02
From: bernie digman
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Robert Harmon wrote:
> The secret is to determine what an item is worth to you & not
> falling in love with it until it's yours. As a seller I love it when two or
> three bidders get caught up in competition with each other.
>
> Just don't use this on an item I want, that's all. ;)
I've sat in enough oilfield equipment, farm equipment and livestock auctions to have seen the
results of auction fever. I always got a kick out of the stuff that would show up the next week
after some hapless bidder hauled home a hell of a deal on a piece of equipment only to have his wife
remind him that they were raising cattle and didn't have any use for an 8-row cultivator. It is
always the rule that you have to know what the item is worth to you. Just watch the Barrett-Jackson
auto auctions. There is a reason the pretty woman with long hair and striking features seems always
to have her hand on the newbies. The pros who make a living buying and selling can't be persuaded to
save face or win an auction just for the hell of it. It would be interesting to find out how much of
the stuff on ebay is resold because the buy has remorse or can't use it as opposed to how much is
resold because some savvy buyer knows what it was really worth and makes a nifty income doing it. I
did actually snipe a 4-group LM on a Tagex listing. I believe the $450 shipping was more than what I
paid for the machine or close.
Bernie
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 23:44:35
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:18:02 -0600, bernie digman <bdigman@zianet.com >
wrote:
>the stuff on ebay is resold because the buy has remorse or can't use it as opposed to how much is
>resold because some savvy buyer knows what it was really worth and makes a nifty income doing it. I
>did actually snipe a 4-group LM on a Tagex listing. I believe the $450 shipping was more than what I
>paid for the machine or close.
a few of the recent coffee related auctions have had some obvious
shill bidding, or were outright scams. 'tis sad, really. i'm on my
way to kansas city tonight so i can pick up a 4-group LM in the
morning that i won just before leaving for the RG retreat.
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 07:39:57
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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bernie digman wrote:
> I've sat in enough oilfield equipment, farm equipment and livestock
> auctions to have seen the results of auction fever. I always got a kick
> out of the stuff that would show up the next week after some hapless
> bidder hauled home a hell of a deal on a piece of equipment only to have
> his wife remind him that they were raising cattle and didn't have any
> use for an 8-row cultivator. It is always the rule that you have to know
> what the item is worth to you. Just watch the Barrett-Jackson auto
> auctions. There is a reason the pretty woman with long hair and striking
> features seems always to have her hand on the newbies. The pros who make
> a living buying and selling can't be persuaded to save face or win an
> auction just for the hell of it. It would be interesting to find out how
> much of the stuff on ebay is resold because the buy has remorse or can't
> use it as opposed to how much is resold because some savvy buyer knows
> what it was really worth and makes a nifty income doing it. I did
> actually snipe a 4-group LM on a Tagex listing. I believe the $450
> shipping was more than what I paid for the machine or close.
> Bernie
>
My latest Ebay find is a gem (not coffee related):
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170016543465 >
Since the seller wouldn't ship it didn't attract many bids, so we had
an enjoyable drive through North Somerset, past Wooky Hole and Cheddar
Gorge, Glastonbury, the Tors etc.
£41 for a commercial gas salamander is a bargain (£600 new), and I've
always wanted one, since my cooker doesn't have a grill. It turned
out to be in almost pristine condition, without the heavy soiling
associated with used catering stuff, and even has the later Ceramic
plaque burners. They generate 350 deg of infra-red heat in 5-10
minutes, so I might feel a roaster project coming on.
It weighed a ton (well about 50kg I think) and i had problems finding
suitable wall brackets, but I got it on the wall eventually, and Jeff
(you remember him), came round and soldered the copper gas pipe to it.
The seller was a very nice chap, with a place he described as a lock
up, which was actually a warehouse with at least 7 vintage cars - an
old Rover 3.5 litre coupe, an American Ford station wagon, a '70's
Jeep Cherokee and some other stuff, like a hearse etc.
He also had some commercial microwaves - 2.4kw!, but far too large for
my counters :(
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 09:40:06
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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For those unimpressed with the idea of roasting coffee in a 350 degree
boiler, Danny was speaking in Celcius, which means it is a 650 degree
broiler for us Fahrenheit types.
Yes, it's nice (and unusual) to find a piece of used restaurant equipment
that is not coated in baked-on grease, crud, maggots, etc. Judging from the
cleanliness of used restaurant stuff I've seen, one should never eat in a
restaurant.
"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4lfhddF1jvhcU1@individual.net...
> bernie digman wrote:
>
>> I've sat in enough oilfield equipment, farm equipment and livestock
>> auctions to have seen the results of auction fever. I always got a kick
>> out of the stuff that would show up the next week after some hapless
>> bidder hauled home a hell of a deal on a piece of equipment only to have
>> his wife remind him that they were raising cattle and didn't have any use
>> for an 8-row cultivator. It is always the rule that you have to know what
>> the item is worth to you. Just watch the Barrett-Jackson auto auctions.
>> There is a reason the pretty woman with long hair and striking features
>> seems always to have her hand on the newbies. The pros who make a living
>> buying and selling can't be persuaded to save face or win an auction just
>> for the hell of it. It would be interesting to find out how much of the
>> stuff on ebay is resold because the buy has remorse or can't use it as
>> opposed to how much is resold because some savvy buyer knows what it was
>> really worth and makes a nifty income doing it. I did actually snipe a
>> 4-group LM on a Tagex listing. I believe the $450 shipping was more than
>> what I paid for the machine or close.
>> Bernie
>>
>
> My latest Ebay find is a gem (not coffee related):
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170016543465>
>
> Since the seller wouldn't ship it didn't attract many bids, so we had an
> enjoyable drive through North Somerset, past Wooky Hole and Cheddar Gorge,
> Glastonbury, the Tors etc.
>
> £41 for a commercial gas salamander is a bargain (£600 new), and I've
> always wanted one, since my cooker doesn't have a grill. It turned out to
> be in almost pristine condition, without the heavy soiling associated with
> used catering stuff, and even has the later Ceramic plaque burners. They
> generate 350 deg of infra-red heat in 5-10 minutes, so I might feel a
> roaster project coming on.
>
> It weighed a ton (well about 50kg I think) and i had problems finding
> suitable wall brackets, but I got it on the wall eventually, and Jeff (you
> remember him), came round and soldered the copper gas pipe to it.
>
> The seller was a very nice chap, with a place he described as a lock up,
> which was actually a warehouse with at least 7 vintage cars - an old Rover
> 3.5 litre coupe, an American Ford station wagon, a '70's Jeep Cherokee and
> some other stuff, like a hearse etc.
>
> He also had some commercial microwaves - 2.4kw!, but far too large for my
> counters :(
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
>
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 18:48:52
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Jack Denver wrote:
> For those unimpressed with the idea of roasting coffee in a 350 degree
> boiler, Danny was speaking in Celcius, which means it is a 650 degree
> broiler for us Fahrenheit types.
>
> Yes, it's nice (and unusual) to find a piece of used restaurant equipment
> that is not coated in baked-on grease, crud, maggots, etc. Judging from the
> cleanliness of used restaurant stuff I've seen, one should never eat in a
> restaurant.
>
I can't actually measure the temperature after the plaques have heated
up thoroughly since my cheap TC started to melt. I have some metal
covered probes which I'll use to accurately measure, one day. These
connect to a PID which will display in F and C.
There wasn't one bit of grease on the salamander and the branding
plate looked unused. It helps that it washes very easily, so I've
kept it clean also.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 04:53:01
From: Keith R.
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Bernie, I've given up on ebay being a fair trading auction house. There
are just too many strange things happening like you describe. The only
way I bid on anything anymore is with a snipe (an automated bid that
goes in at the last possible minute). I don't always win, but more
imortantly I don't overpay by getting warpped up in a bidding frenzy.
With a snipe you set the max price you are willing to pay. If you win
the auction it will be for that price or lower. If you loose you move
on to another auction. Sure it's less rewarding than feeling like you
'won' something but I've been through times like yours where you were
outbid by a likely schill and it is frustrating.
I use auctionstealer.com since I don't do a lot of bidding and I don't
mind the 30 or 20 second bid entry times. There are many other sites
(and some client software) that do the job just as well.
Keith R.
Warrenton, VA USA
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 18:45:35
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Keith R. wrote:
> I use auctionstealer.com since I don't do a lot of bidding and I don't
> mind the 30 or 20 second bid entry times. There are many other sites
> (and some client software) that do the job just as well.
>
> Keith R.
> Warrenton, VA USA
>
I've been using Esnipe.com since not long after they started. They
have adjustable buffer times - my bids go in at 6 seconds to the close
of the auction and always get through. It's a help when you're in the
UK and most of Ebay is in the US. My account is grandfathered, so I
pay little or nothing for the bids, if successful.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 19:32:06
From: Brian Colwell
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4lgodfF1r6sdU1@individual.net...
> Keith R. wrote:
>
>> I use auctionstealer.com since I don't do a lot of bidding and I don't
>> mind the 30 or 20 second bid entry times. There are many other sites
>> (and some client software) that do the job just as well.
>>
>> Keith R.
>> Warrenton, VA USA
>>
>
> I've been using Esnipe.com since not long after they started. They have
> adjustable buffer times - my bids go in at 6 seconds to the close of the
> auction and always get through. It's a help when you're in the UK and
> most of Ebay is in the US. My account is grandfathered, so I pay little
> or nothing for the bids, if successful.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
>
Hi Danny,
I have been looking around for some *sniping s/w* You have
found Esnipe, to be pretty reliable ?
I don't do a lot of bidding but the idea of using this type of software,
seems interesting !
Regards,
Brian
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 20:47:08
From: Paul Monaghan
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:32:06 GMT, "Brian Colwell" <bcolwell@shaw.ca >
wrote:
>Hi Danny,
> I have been looking around for some *sniping s/w* You have
>found Esnipe, to be pretty reliable ?
>I don't do a lot of bidding but the idea of using this type of software,
>seems interesting !
>
>Regards,
> Brian
I use "Auction Sentry" and usually set the bid to the last 4 seconds.
Never missed a bid. Works great, and is cheap, with a temporary free
trial.
I have also heard good things about Bidnapper (love the name) but have
never tried it.
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 21:28:06
From: Danny
Subject: OT Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Brian Colwell wrote:
> Hi Danny,
> I have been looking around for some *sniping s/w* You have
> found Esnipe, to be pretty reliable ?
> I don't do a lot of bidding but the idea of using this type of software,
> seems interesting !
>
> Regards,
> Brian
If by sniping software you mean software that runs on your machine,
then Esnipe isn't it - it's website where you place your bid and they
bid for you. In the UK, PC based sniping software isn't feasible,
since I believe the Ebay servers are all in the US (is that correct?)
so the time lag would preclude any automated end of auction sniping
from a local PC in the UK.
I only remember Esnipe itself not bidding on time once, and that was
due to Ebay changing something at their end. I've placed dozens of
bids with Esnipe, and always won (assuming that my max bid price was
high enough to win). They've actually got better - they used to
recommend a 9 second buffer, now it's 6 seconds.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 21:57:56
From: Brian Colwell
Subject: Re: OT Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4lh1u6F1s87aU1@individual.net...
> Brian Colwell wrote:
>
>> Hi Danny,
>> I have been looking around for some *sniping s/w* You have
>> found Esnipe, to be pretty reliable ?
>> I don't do a lot of bidding but the idea of using this type of software,
>> seems interesting !
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>
> If by sniping software you mean software that runs on your machine, then
> Esnipe isn't it - it's website where you place your bid and they bid for
> you. In the UK, PC based sniping software isn't feasible, since I believe
> the Ebay servers are all in the US (is that correct?) so the time lag
> would preclude any automated end of auction sniping from a local PC in the
> UK.
>
> I only remember Esnipe itself not bidding on time once, and that was due
> to Ebay changing something at their end. I've placed dozens of bids with
> Esnipe, and always won (assuming that my max bid price was high enough to
> win). They've actually got better - they used to recommend a 9 second
> buffer, now it's 6 seconds.
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
>
I guess I didn't express myself too well :-)) I think any of the s/w that
have been mentioned, would be suitable !
On reflection, you are right regarding EBay locations
My thanks to everyone,
Brian
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 05:16:02
From: aß
Subject: Re: OT Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:57:56 GMT, "Brian Colwell" <bcolwell@shaw.ca >
wrote:
>
>"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote in message
>news:4lh1u6F1s87aU1@individual.net...
>> Brian Colwell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Danny,
>>> I have been looking around for some *sniping s/w* You have
>>> found Esnipe, to be pretty reliable ?
>>> I don't do a lot of bidding but the idea of using this type of software,
>>> seems interesting !
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brian
>>
>> If by sniping software you mean software that runs on your machine, then
>> Esnipe isn't it - it's website where you place your bid and they bid for
>> you. In the UK, PC based sniping software isn't feasible, since I believe
>> the Ebay servers are all in the US (is that correct?) so the time lag
>> would preclude any automated end of auction sniping from a local PC in the
>> UK.
>>
>> I only remember Esnipe itself not bidding on time once, and that was due
>> to Ebay changing something at their end. I've placed dozens of bids with
>> Esnipe, and always won (assuming that my max bid price was high enough to
>> win). They've actually got better - they used to recommend a 9 second
>> buffer, now it's 6 seconds.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Danny
>>
>> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
>> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
>>
>I guess I didn't express myself too well :-)) I think any of the s/w that
>have been mentioned, would be suitable !
>
>On reflection, you are right regarding EBay locations
>
>My thanks to everyone,
>
>Brian
>
Esnipe is very good, and also offers the "anti-obsolete" factor, since
from time to time Ebay alters it's software that is involved with
placing bids, so if a 3rd part app attempts to place a bid, it fails
to register it. Esnipe stays current with all Ebay changes, so you do
not have to worry.
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 10:29:11
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: OT Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:16:02 -0700, aß <benthere@dunthat.com > wrote:
>Esnipe is very good, and also offers the "anti-obsolete" factor, since
>from time to time Ebay alters it's software that is involved with
>placing bids, so if a 3rd part app attempts to place a bid, it fails
>to register it. Esnipe stays current with all Ebay changes, so you do
>not have to worry.
So does bidnapper, and it can be much cheaper than esnipe, since it's a flat-fee
service, depending on the values and frequency of your bidding.
-- Larry
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 11:45:09
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: OT Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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In <4lh1u6F1s87aU1@individual.net >, on Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:28:06 +0100,
Danny wrote:
> In the UK, PC based sniping software isn't feasible,
> since I believe the Ebay servers are all in the US (is that correct?)
> so the time lag would preclude any automated end of auction sniping
> from a local PC in the UK.
Time lag really isn't relevant in this context. I
just did a ping from California to btinternet.co.uk
that returned in an average of 157 milliseconds
(10 packets; min 153, max 168).
Then a ping from CA to malabargold.co.uk which
averaged 65 ms (10 packets; min 64, max 68)
From my machine on the east coast, that last ping is
about 10 ms slower. It's the route rather than
physical proximity that counts.
I just manually sniped a slide rule last night.
Auction end time: 19:42:52 PDT
Date of Bid: 19:42:52 PDT
Time of bid is when they receive the packets you send,
not the time when the updated page is finally rendered
on your screen. With this ol' 750Mhz machine, I click
the "confirm bid" button and don't see anything for at
least 4 or 5 seconds. Database access and program
execution on their end, then transmission of the page
to your machine is all after the bid is recorded, and
is where all that "lag" is perceived.
> I only remember Esnipe itself not bidding on time once, and that was
> due to Ebay changing something at their end. I've placed dozens of
> bids with Esnipe, and always won (assuming that my max bid price was
> high enough to win). They've actually got better - they used to
> recommend a 9 second buffer, now it's 6 seconds.
I generally shoot for a 1 or 2 second buffer. Last
night I cut it a little closer. ;-)
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 12:15:14
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: OT Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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That's what I was thinking. Unless you had a really crappy or unreliable
connection. Of course if you are on dial up (not everyone has broadband)
"real time" sniping from a local connection is a pain - you have to
establish the connection well in advance of the snipe. And not everyone
keeps their computer turned on 24/7. I use the "Auction Sentry" program
which snipes from your local computer - worst case you could just add the
necessary # of seconds of advance snipe need to insure your snipe would
arrive on time. The remote server based systems have the advantage that
you don't have to have your PC turned on and connected to snipe. Right now
I'm having line problems and my connection goes in and out, so I'd be
screwed if I were using a local PC based system.
"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnef8o81.p4.steve@wizard.dyndns.org...
> In <4lh1u6F1s87aU1@individual.net>, on Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:28:06 +0100,
> Danny wrote:
>
>> In the UK, PC based sniping software isn't feasible,
>> since I believe the Ebay servers are all in the US (is that correct?)
>> so the time lag would preclude any automated end of auction sniping
>> from a local PC in the UK.
>
> Time lag really isn't relevant in this context. I
> just did a ping from California to btinternet.co.uk
> that returned in an average of 157 milliseconds
> (10 packets; min 153, max 168).
>
> Then a ping from CA to malabargold.co.uk which
> averaged 65 ms (10 packets; min 64, max 68)
> From my machine on the east coast, that last ping is
> about 10 ms slower. It's the route rather than
> physical proximity that counts.
>
> I just manually sniped a slide rule last night.
> Auction end time: 19:42:52 PDT
> Date of Bid: 19:42:52 PDT
>
> Time of bid is when they receive the packets you send,
> not the time when the updated page is finally rendered
> on your screen. With this ol' 750Mhz machine, I click
> the "confirm bid" button and don't see anything for at
> least 4 or 5 seconds. Database access and program
> execution on their end, then transmission of the page
> to your machine is all after the bid is recorded, and
> is where all that "lag" is perceived.
>
>> I only remember Esnipe itself not bidding on time once, and that was
>> due to Ebay changing something at their end. I've placed dozens of
>> bids with Esnipe, and always won (assuming that my max bid price was
>> high enough to win). They've actually got better - they used to
>> recommend a 9 second buffer, now it's 6 seconds.
>
> I generally shoot for a 1 or 2 second buffer. Last
> night I cut it a little closer. ;-)
>
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 11:47:27
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: OT Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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In <yPSdnSSvwL6O9WnZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com >, on Tue, 29 Aug 2006
12:15:14 -0400, Jack Denver wrote:
> That's what I was thinking. Unless you had a really crappy or unreliable
> connection. Of course if you are on dial up (not everyone has broadband)
> "real time" sniping from a local connection is a pain - you have to
> establish the connection well in advance of the snipe.
Yeah, I used to do it in MN via 19.2 kbps dialup.
Had to allow a lot more time for "getting there,"
but still only bid 3 seconds before end of auction.
> And not everyone
> keeps their computer turned on 24/7. I use the "Auction Sentry" program
> which snipes from your local computer -
I have esniper installed, but haven't tried it yet.
I suppose if there was some exotic one-of-a-kind thing
ending at 3 in the morning that I just had to have, I'd
give 'er a whirl.
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 19:41:59
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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I use http://www.justsnipe.com/, recommended by PC Magazine. It has free &
subscription service.
--
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"Brian Colwell" <bcolwell@shaw.ca > wrote in message
news:WwHIg.489895$IK3.217555@pd7tw1no...
>
> "Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote in message
> news:4lgodfF1r6sdU1@individual.net...
>> Keith R. wrote:
>>
>>> I use auctionstealer.com since I don't do a lot of bidding and I don't
>>> mind the 30 or 20 second bid entry times. There are many other sites
>>> (and some client software) that do the job just as well.
>>>
>>> Keith R.
>>> Warrenton, VA USA
>>>
>>
>> I've been using Esnipe.com since not long after they started. They have
>> adjustable buffer times - my bids go in at 6 seconds to the close of the
>> auction and always get through. It's a help when you're in the UK and
>> most of Ebay is in the US. My account is grandfathered, so I pay little
>> or nothing for the bids, if successful.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Danny
>>
>> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
>> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
>>
> Hi Danny,
> I have been looking around for some *sniping s/w* You have
> found Esnipe, to be pretty reliable ?
> I don't do a lot of bidding but the idea of using this type of software,
> seems interesting !
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 04:34:20
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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or auctionsniper.com -- very good.
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 04:32:24
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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NOT unusual -- at all.
dave
powerseller
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 00:24:40
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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"daveb" wrote
> NOT unusual -- at all.
>
> dave
> powerseller
I really love quoteless replies. They're so intriguing. Although, of
course, one wonders just WTF he considers to be "NOT unusual -- at all", one
has to admit that the phrase by itself has a certain surreal verity to it .
. .
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 20:11:02
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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On 2006-08-31, Alan <in_flagrante@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I really love quoteless replies. They're so intriguing.
Dave operates on the precepts of exasperation enterprise. He figures
if he pisses enough people off, and for long enough, one of them is
bound to snap and unexpectedly do business with him. It's a risky
strategy, requiring nerves of jello, but one has to admire his dogged
perseverance.
nb
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 16:52:50
From: CrackAddict
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Certainly looks suspicious. The seller has no feedback, sells an
expensive grinder to a buyer who also has no feedback and who
registered the day of the sale. Then, a few days later, the same
grinder (at least the same pix and description) get sold yet again to
another buyer (one could suspect the first buyer did not actually
exist) and the bids are bid up by other recently-registered,
no-feedback users toward the end of the biddng. Just out of curiosity,
check back and see if feedback is ever left for the first "sale".
BTW - are these things really 220V/15A 3-phase? That's almost enough
juice to run an elevator.
bernie digman wrote:
> I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One auction is ending today.
> Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders with (obviously) no history who seem to be the
> high bidders. I find it sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay would
> jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp,
> 3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who
> buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
> Bernie
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 02:46:04
From: Randy R
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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"CrackAddict" <smppix@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1156981969.988275.246830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Certainly looks suspicious. The seller has no feedback, sells an
> expensive grinder to a buyer who also has no feedback and who
> registered the day of the sale. Then, a few days later, the same
> grinder (at least the same pix and description) get sold yet again to
> another buyer (one could suspect the first buyer did not actually
> exist) and the bids are bid up by other recently-registered,
> no-feedback users toward the end of the biddng. Just out of curiosity,
> check back and see if feedback is ever left for the first "sale".
>
If the same item is sold again by the same seller, then you should complain
to send to Ebay, because this sounds like fraud to me.
Randy R
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 08:47:40
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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well, thank you!
and who is starting this "old" rumour?
:)
Dave
www.hitechespresso.com
Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Aww...c'mon now. Dave's just a cranky old bastard like a lot of us.
> He's happy with his sales so why should he give a damn about whether or
> not you approve of his approach. I find his broad sarcasm wearing at
> times but at other times he has some good insights.
>
> Will
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 07:47:20
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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notbob wrote:
> On 2006-08-31, Alan <in_flagrante@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I really love quoteless replies. They're so intriguing.
>
> Dave operates on the precepts of exasperation enterprise. He figures
> if he pisses enough people off, and for long enough, one of them is
> bound to snap and unexpectedly do business with him. It's a risky
> strategy, requiring nerves of jello, but one has to admire his dogged
> perseverance.
>
> nb
Aww...c'mon now. Dave's just a cranky old bastard like a lot of us.
He's happy with his sales so why should he give a damn about whether or
not you approve of his approach. I find his broad sarcasm wearing at
times but at other times he has some good insights.
Will
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 05:02:16
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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<<so I'm asking those of you who
buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
Bernie >>
NOT unusual, at all. with over 150 MILLION users why be suspicious?
dave
bernie digman wrote:
> I've bid on two of the big Ditting 1403 grinders recently on ebay. One auction is ending today.
> Oddly, in both instances it is first-time bidders with (obviously) no history who seem to be the
> high bidders. I find it sort of odd that someone who has never purchased any equipment on ebay would
> jump into a very specialized auction for their first purchase. Not everyone needs a 230volt, 15amp,
> 3phase grinder. I haven't bought much on ebay, only coffee equipment, so I'm asking those of you who
> buy regularly if this would seem unusual or not.
> Bernie
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 05:00:43
From: daveb
Subject: Re: antagonism from "bob"
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And just what is your problem, bob or notbob or whatever?
and BTW, I have 8 (eight) new silvias in here, this minute, getting
the mod done. so,
1) not every one reads this ng.
OR
2) they are not (as) annoyed like you by things I write
OR
3) you are just wrong, "notbob"
flaming people you have never spoken to.
tsk tsk.
Dave
877 286 2833
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 11:40:23
From: notbob
Subject: Re: antagonism from "bob"
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On 2006-08-31, daveb <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:
> And just what is your problem, bob or notbob or whatever?
Note to self:
add "no sense of humor"
nb
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 13:59:22
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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220 volt 3 phase? for a grinder?
it had better be bolted to the floor.
back and see if feedback is ever left for the first "sale".
>
> BTW - are these things really 220V/15A 3-phase? That's almost enough
> juice to run an elevator.
>
>
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 11:07:22
From: Carmen
Subject: Re: Ebay question for ebayers
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Alan wrote:
> "daveb" wrote
> > NOT unusual -- at all.
> >
> > dave
> > powerseller
>
> I really love quoteless replies. They're so intriguing. Although, of
> course, one wonders just WTF he considers to be "NOT unusual -- at all", one
> has to admit that the phrase by itself has a certain surreal verity to it .
> . .
It can no longer be blamed on Google. The problem with using Google
used to be that one had to use the "Reply" button on the top list of
options in order to get the text of the message one was replying to
inserted into the reply screen. If one merely hit the "Reply" button
on the bottom of the screen all you got was a blank screen, resulting
in the quoteless reply problem. I lost count of how many people didn't
know that little difference until I told them.
Google has fixed that problem. In order to do a quoteless reply using
that service, one now has to deliberately delete the text of the
message one is replying to.
Carmen
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