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Date: 21 Aug 2006 17:16:41
From: abimer
Subject: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Kia ora,
was just in Trade Aid in Auckland and they've started selling fair
trade green beans! They seem to have quite a few origins and said they
can get a few more if there proves to be demand. I saw:
Ethiopia Yirgacheffe
Ethiopia Harrar
Guatemala Huehuetenango
Guatemala Coban
and Mexico, Papua New Guinea, Timor and Sumatra.
They were all $10 for 500gm, so pretty good value for fair trade
coffee. I think they said they're only in the Ponsonby store at the
moment, so if anyone outside of auckland wants beans they might have to
badger their local store...
Its been hard to get fair trade green beans here except for east timor,
so I think this is really good. If anyone's interested I'll post some
thoughts when I've roasted and tasted some...
Paul.
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 19:39:38
From: abimer
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Hmm, it sounds like you're quite familiar with Trade Aid's coffees.
Apparently the fellow from the Ethiopian co-op was involved in a film
about fair trade coffee called black gold, which is meant to be worth a
look.
My imports have been fairly modest, last lot I got was 5 kilos, but it
took 6-7 weeks to get here! I thought it was lost for a while...
Seems to be a small enough order that I've not set off any biosecurity
alarms. I guess you never know when MAF will make something their
business though.
Paul.
Brent wrote:
> Ah, yes Nicaraguan is on their offering sheet (again from memory) that is
> probably the only one they didn't have by the sounds of it. The Ethiopian is
> all from the Oromia co-op, mexican is chiapas from memory. They are the two
> that I have bought. I know they are slowly expanding the offering sheet as
> they track down suitable supplies...
>
> How much are you bringing in at a time? There is a point where MAF and
> everyone want to help, which would be a point to avoid :)
>
> Brent
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 15:07:35
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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> Hmm, it sounds like you're quite familiar with Trade Aid's coffees.
> Apparently the fellow from the Ethiopian co-op was involved in a film
> about fair trade coffee called black gold, which is meant to be worth a
> look.
Yeah, it's worth watching
>
> My imports have been fairly modest, last lot I got was 5 kilos, but it
> took 6-7 weeks to get here! I thought it was lost for a while...
>
> Seems to be a small enough order that I've not set off any biosecurity
> alarms. I guess you never know when MAF will make something their
> business though.
>
I think if it is small and for personal use, you don't get pinged, if you do
get pinged, from memory I was told $150 for the inspection, or appeal that
it was for private use - for a 500 gram / 2 origin sample I was interested
in for me personally. I er passed and told them to destroy the sample, and
found a local sample.
I had the discussion with the MAF guy last week re some coffee I just got -
my question, seeing as this is not raw, rather a processed and effectively
dead seed, with the pulp etc removed, isn't this inspection technically
pointless?
He was cool, he acknowledged my point, and countered with the response "we
still have to check" as he tipped an entire sack out to look at... naturally
they had no means to resew the sack, which I find kind of dissapointing,
still they didn't slash the sack this time :)
I guess he was being consistent - the shipment of soy flour was being opened
as I left - and that was sealed flour bags like in the supermarket!
MAF and customs are unfortunatly necessary evils...
Brent
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:21:43
From: abimer
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Oh okay. I asked and they said they had some other origins that they
might supply. One was nicaraguan, not sure about others.
I just thought this was nice as it's hard to get fair trade green beans
apart from timor. I normally have to import from the US.
Paul.
Brent wrote:
> Off the top of my head that is the entire range they currently import...
>
> Brent
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 13:44:38
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Ah, yes Nicaraguan is on their offering sheet (again from memory) that is
probably the only one they didn't have by the sounds of it. The Ethiopian is
all from the Oromia co-op, mexican is chiapas from memory. They are the two
that I have bought. I know they are slowly expanding the offering sheet as
they track down suitable supplies...
How much are you bringing in at a time? There is a point where MAF and
everyone want to help, which would be a point to avoid :)
Brent
> Oh okay. I asked and they said they had some other origins that they
> might supply. One was nicaraguan, not sure about others.
>
> I just thought this was nice as it's hard to get fair trade green beans
> apart from timor. I normally have to import from the US.
>
> Paul.
>
>
> Brent wrote:
>> Off the top of my head that is the entire range they currently import...
>>
>> Brent
>
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 09:34:54
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Off the top of my head that is the entire range they currently import...
Brent
> Kia ora,
>
> was just in Trade Aid in Auckland and they've started selling fair
> trade green beans! They seem to have quite a few origins and said they
> can get a few more if there proves to be demand. I saw:
> Ethiopia Yirgacheffe
> Ethiopia Harrar
> Guatemala Huehuetenango
> Guatemala Coban
> and Mexico, Papua New Guinea, Timor and Sumatra.
>
> They were all $10 for 500gm, so pretty good value for fair trade
> coffee. I think they said they're only in the Ponsonby store at the
> moment, so if anyone outside of auckland wants beans they might have to
> badger their local store...
>
> Its been hard to get fair trade green beans here except for east timor,
> so I think this is really good. If anyone's interested I'll post some
> thoughts when I've roasted and tasted some...
>
> Paul.
>
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Date: 14 Oct 2006 12:53:47
From: René van Sint Annaland
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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In article <4l1amhFdkranU1@individual.net >, me@privacy.net says...
> Off the top of my head that is the entire range they currently import...
>
> Brent
>
Uhmm, off the top of my head, there is more on offering from Fair Trade Chch, but you have
to buy it by the bag.
--
René van Sint Annaland
www.justespresso.com
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 17:24:39
From: cubastreet
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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abimer wrote:
> Kia ora,
>
> was just in Trade Aid in Auckland and they've started selling fair
> trade green beans! They seem to have quite a few origins and said they
> can get a few more if there proves to be demand. I saw:
> Ethiopia Yirgacheffe
> Ethiopia Harrar
> Guatemala Huehuetenango
> Guatemala Coban
> and Mexico, Papua New Guinea, Timor and Sumatra.
>
> They were all $10 for 500gm, so pretty good value for fair trade
> coffee. I think they said they're only in the Ponsonby store at the
> moment, so if anyone outside of auckland wants beans they might have to
> badger their local store...
>
> Its been hard to get fair trade green beans here except for east timor,
> so I think this is really good. If anyone's interested I'll post some
> thoughts when I've roasted and tasted some...
>
> Paul.
>
i just got a batch of 9 coffees from havana in wellington. I think one
or two are fairtrade, and they reckon they pay above fair trade prices
for the rest. not sure if i believe that, but how do you know?
nex time i might head down to people's coffee and see if they sell green
beans.
I just upgraded my roaster to have full temperature control instead of
just 2 settings so it'll be interesting to see how i can affect flavour
with roast profile.
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 09:50:16
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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> I just upgraded my roaster to have full temperature control instead of
> just 2 settings so it'll be interesting to see how i can affect flavour
> with roast profile.
on / off does give you full temperature control though!
:)
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 03:14:09
From: Rayh
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Just as an extra place to try, i bought some green beans in NZ via
trademe from another source, not FairTrade, but at $8 per kg for
Arabica I am not complaining, the link to their site is as follows
http://www.classiccoffee.co.nz/
and no I dont work for them etc, I just enjoy roasting my own beans for
my own consumption
Ray
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 09:52:56
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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standing up ready to be corrected - isn't their offering robusta?
certainly that was the impression I got from trade me. Also their shipping
made the effective price higher if my memory serves me correctly.
Brent
(read that as haven't actually gotten around to getting a sample yet)
> Just as an extra place to try, i bought some green beans in NZ via
> trademe from another source, not FairTrade, but at $8 per kg for
> Arabica I am not complaining, the link to their site is as follows
> http://www.classiccoffee.co.nz/
>
> and no I dont work for them etc, I just enjoy roasting my own beans for
> my own consumption
>
> Ray
>
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 16:07:17
From: abimer
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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cubastreet wrote:
> i just got a batch of 9 coffees from havana in wellington. I think one
> or two are fairtrade, and they reckon they pay above fair trade prices
> for the rest. not sure if i believe that, but how do you know?
I guess you never know unless it's certified. It'd be a sad old day if
they were dishonest about it though, I'm sure they are a reputable
bunch. We get a bit of their coffee around auckland too.
> I just upgraded my roaster to have full temperature control instead of
> just 2 settings so it'll be interesting to see how i can affect flavour
> with roast profile.
Wow, sounds good.
Paul
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 19:54:33
From: cubastreet
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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abimer wrote:
> I guess you never know unless it's certified. It'd be a sad old day if
> they were dishonest about it though, I'm sure they are a reputable
> bunch. We get a bit of their coffee around auckland too.
can't help being suspicious - i used to tech for a 'reputable' wgtn
roaster who claimed the same even though i knew it wasn't true.
anyway, it's nice to be roasting again. i enjoy coffee a lot more when
i'm not in the business :)
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 15:26:21
From: abimer
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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For sure, that's a very good price. It's gotten quite a bit easier to
get green beans in the last year or so. Personally, I choose to limit
myself to fairly traded coffee, and it's still hard to get a good range
of green beans.
Incidentally, I've been roasting some of the Yirgacheffe I got from
trade aid and its pretty damn good. Fruity!
Paul.
Rayh wrote:
> Just as an extra place to try, i bought some green beans in NZ via
> trademe from another source, not FairTrade, but at $8 per kg for
> Arabica I am not complaining, the link to their site is as follows
> http://www.classiccoffee.co.nz/
>
> and no I dont work for them etc, I just enjoy roasting my own beans for
> my own consumption
>
> Ray
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 20:00:08
From: abimer
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Brent wrote:
> but hold on we have all got it wrong:
>
> >http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Retail-hospitality/Kitchen-equipment-supplies/Coffee-beverage/auction-67719397.htm
>
> Brent
LAVAZZA QUALITA ORO GROUND COFFEE
DO NOT COMPARE WITH ANY OTHER COFFEE
SIMPLY THIS IS THE BEST COFFEE IN THE WORLD
"IF PEOPLE SAYING NZ ROASTED COFFEE IS THE BEST..! I WILL HAVE TO TELL
THEM "DO YOU KNOW THE REAL TAST OF ESPRESSO..?"
Ha ha, if only someone had shouted my ignorance at me before....
Paul.
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 17:42:47
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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yep,
about to quietly slink off to the supermarket and get myself some now to
find out where I went wrong...
Brent
>
> Brent wrote:
>> but hold on we have all got it wrong:
>>
>> >http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Retail-hospitality/Kitchen-equipment-supplies/Coffee-beverage/auction-67719397.htm
>>
>> Brent
>
> LAVAZZA QUALITA ORO GROUND COFFEE
>
> DO NOT COMPARE WITH ANY OTHER COFFEE
> SIMPLY THIS IS THE BEST COFFEE IN THE WORLD
>
> "IF PEOPLE SAYING NZ ROASTED COFFEE IS THE BEST..! I WILL HAVE TO TELL
> THEM "DO YOU KNOW THE REAL TAST OF ESPRESSO..?"
>
>
> Ha ha, if only someone had shouted my ignorance at me before....
>
>
> Paul.
>
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 11:46:16
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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but hold on we have all got it wrong:
>http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Retail-hospitality/Kitchen-equipment-supplies/Coffee-beverage/auction-67719397.htm
Brent
> Kia ora,
>
> was just in Trade Aid in Auckland and they've started selling fair
> trade green beans! They seem to have quite a few origins and said they
> can get a few more if there proves to be demand. I saw:
> Ethiopia Yirgacheffe
> Ethiopia Harrar
> Guatemala Huehuetenango
> Guatemala Coban
> and Mexico, Papua New Guinea, Timor and Sumatra.
>
> They were all $10 for 500gm, so pretty good value for fair trade
> coffee. I think they said they're only in the Ponsonby store at the
> moment, so if anyone outside of auckland wants beans they might have to
> badger their local store...
>
> Its been hard to get fair trade green beans here except for east timor,
> so I think this is really good. If anyone's interested I'll post some
> thoughts when I've roasted and tasted some...
>
> Paul.
>
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 03:50:28
From: Rayh
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Yes they do Robusta, but also have Arabica green beans also, I have
been doing a mix of about 10% robusta and the remainder Arabic, which
was their recommendation, does give quite a nice crema
Have been doing it in my Iroast with a profile I found on a news site,
quite different to the profiles given by I Roast, is hotter but for
shorter time and seems to work very well, although I have found the
result is very " air temp critical " , ie, if its cold outside I have
to roast indooors and vent all the smoke
Brent wrote:
> standing up ready to be corrected - isn't their offering robusta?
>
> certainly that was the impression I got from trade me. Also their shipping
> made the effective price higher if my memory serves me correctly.
>
> Brent
> (read that as haven't actually gotten around to getting a sample yet)
>
>
> > Just as an extra place to try, i bought some green beans in NZ via
> > trademe from another source, not FairTrade, but at $8 per kg for
> > Arabica I am not complaining, the link to their site is as follows
> > http://www.classiccoffee.co.nz/
> >
> > and no I dont work for them etc, I just enjoy roasting my own beans for
> > my own consumption
> >
> > Ray
> >
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 18:33:25
From: abimer
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Brent wrote:
> Was that the guy dumping 20 tonnes of robusta?
>
> brent
No, don't reckon so. It was arabica, and on the cheap, but not quite
*that* cheap. I'm sure anyone with that much robusta should probably be
talking to Nescafe, who could probably find a home for it in their
authentic "short black" drink.
Paul.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 15:11:14
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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There was someone down south trying to offload robusta, that was allegedly
organic and fair trade.
On enquiring, those claims vapourised...
Brent
> Brent wrote:
>> Was that the guy dumping 20 tonnes of robusta?
>>
>> brent
>
> No, don't reckon so. It was arabica, and on the cheap, but not quite
> *that* cheap. I'm sure anyone with that much robusta should probably be
> talking to Nescafe, who could probably find a home for it in their
> authentic "short black" drink.
>
> Paul.
>
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 17:35:05
From: abimer
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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cubastreet wrote:
> can't help being suspicious - i used to tech for a 'reputable' wgtn
> roaster who claimed the same even though i knew it wasn't true.
That is pretty shameless and dirty. I remember contacting a trademe
seller who claimed to have fair trade beans and asked who had certified
them. the seller had no idea, so whether they were legitimate or not,
who knows?
now i stick to retailers who are certified and have relationships with
the growers/coops, like trade aid or dean's beans in the US.
Oh, and the Harrar and Huehue from trade aid i've tried so far have
been ace...
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 13:39:43
From: Brent
Subject: Re: For New Zealand homeroasters
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Was that the guy dumping 20 tonnes of robusta?
brent
> cubastreet wrote:
>
>> can't help being suspicious - i used to tech for a 'reputable' wgtn
>> roaster who claimed the same even though i knew it wasn't true.
>
> That is pretty shameless and dirty. I remember contacting a trademe
> seller who claimed to have fair trade beans and asked who had certified
> them. the seller had no idea, so whether they were legitimate or not,
> who knows?
>
> now i stick to retailers who are certified and have relationships with
> the growers/coops, like trade aid or dean's beans in the US.
>
> Oh, and the Harrar and Huehue from trade aid i've tried so far have
> been ace...
>
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