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Date: 05 Jul 2006 21:21:59
From: Cordo
Subject: Got the sleeve out of the Giotto
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Took me about ten hours or something. One of the trickiest things I've ever
done. Many times I'd lose the thing and have to start over. But it's done.
Now I'm gonna's do a power descaling while I have the thing open, and then
see if I can reassemble it.
Stay tuned,
Cordo
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 22:06:14
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Got the sleeve out of the Giotto
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"Cordo" <cordoveroRemoveThis@RemoveThisyahoo.com > wrote:
>Took me about ten hours or something. One of the trickiest things I've ever
>done. Many times I'd lose the thing and have to start over. But it's done.
>
YESSSSS! :-D
>Now I'm gonna's do a power descaling while I have the thing open, and then
>see if I can reassemble it.
>
NOoooooooooooooo!!!
;-)
>Stay tuned,
>
Someone dial 9 - 1 - and then hold your finger over the 1 ... ;-)
But seriously, how did you finally accomplish the removal of the
sleeve? And the response should also be posted in te original thread
so folks can more easily find the resolution of the problem in the
future.
Randy "even I feel relieved hearing that" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 14:33:08
From: Cordo
Subject: Re: Got the sleeve out of the Giotto
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> But seriously, how did you finally accomplish the removal of the
> sleeve? And the response should also be posted in te original thread
> so folks can more easily find the resolution of the problem in the
> future.
Truth be told, were I to do it again, I would have focused all my efforts
into unscrewing the pressure relief valve so I'd have two openings to work
with. The $5 snake LED flashlight was a boon, too.
C
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 01:07:36
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Got the sleeve out of the Giotto
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"Cordo" <cordoveroRemoveThis@RemoveThisyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:e8i356$i4u$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> Took me about ten hours or something. One of the trickiest things
> I've ever done. Many times I'd lose the thing and have to start over.
> But it's done.
>
> Now I'm gonna's do a power descaling while I have the thing open, and
> then see if I can reassemble it.
>
> Stay tuned,
> Cordo
>
Out of all the tips from people here on how to extract the sleeve, how &
what did you use that worked for ya Cordo?
Craig.
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 23:56:36
From: Cordo
Subject: Re: Got the sleeve out of the Giotto
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> Out of all the tips from people here on how to extract the sleeve, how &
> what did you use that worked for ya Cordo?
I wish I came up with something clever, but I didn't. I got the paper clip
out using the most magnetic screwdriver I could find at Home Depot. One
thing that amazed me is how much bigger the boiler is than it looks! It
kept fooling me. I'd think I'd have a screwdriver or other tool that could
reach the bottom, but then it wouldn't. Anyway, the magnetic tipped
screwdriver got the paper clip out quickly, though the angle was tricky.
(I had, by this time, emptied the boiler, first by using a turkey baster and
then by turning the machine upside down on a towel. I could not believe how
much water was in there. I had thought because the hot water tap gave off
so much steam that my water level was chronically low, but pints of the
stuff came out.)
Okay, that darned teflon sleeve. It's really long! That made it almost
impossible to get it out of the tiny water-level-refill sensor hole. You
can't just pull it up by anything but the very end, and in such a way as to
stretch it out exactly perpendicular. BTW, I tried, clumsily, to get one of
the other openings open, but it was too difficult. You guys must really
have the right tools. I'd get the ratchet on something, but have no room to
maneauver because of other things.
More than once the long teflon sleeve got caught in the heating coil. I did
a ton of shaking of the machine in all directions and in all orientations.
It's funny: before, I thought of the 60 pound behemoth as a huge weight --
just moving it out of the way to clean I considered a big deal. By the 7th
hour, I was tossing the entire unit around, doing the shimmy, the twist,
jolly green giant dance... I'm sure my toddler nieces would have thought
Barney was on crack. I was determined to disengage that teflon thing.
Anyway, I bought the claw thing Barry recommended at Big Lots for 99 cents.
It grabbed onto the sleeve but there was never any way to get it out of the
hole since the claw filled the hole -- that was when I tried to use the
paper clip to blindly hook it from the claw...
Then I got an extra long and thin pair of tweezers, but it still was very
unwieldy to be effective because of the tiny opening and because of the need
to orient the sleeve.
I guess my big break was that I saw a small LED flashlight with a snakey
flexible shaft at Home Depot for 26 bucks. That didn't help much until I
saw the identical thing at Walgreens for 5 bucks. That almost helped, until
the one I bought turned out to be defective and I had to drive across town
again to return it and get another one.
But this really changed things. I could stick this into the boiler and move
it around and still have enough clearance to get a view of the inside of the
boiler. I managed to track down the teflon sleeve, which had been hiding
for some time, somehow sticking to an upper side of the boiler, even though
vigorous shaking had not dislodged it.
I used some wire -- the kind you use for hanging paintings/pictures from the
wall-- to pull it off the side, and then I spent a couple of hours
maneauvering it so that it was sitting right in front of the hole, with the
machine turned so that the hole was the front-bottom (like a keg). My plan
was to use two wires I could bend into shapes to make the orientation
perpendicular, and then use the long tweezers to snag the end and pull out
(since the tweezers could now be effective, with the end only a centimeter
from the hole). But, I tried first to take one of your suggestions and use
the wire to hook the tube by sticking the wire in one end. It took some
time but it worked, and then I managed to ever so carefully pull the tube
out. Anybody remember the game Operation? That pretty much describes it.
SO THE SHORT ANSWER: use a wire to hook it in one end. Just be prepared to
spend a lot of time before this works!
Frankly, there must be a million better ways. One thing is for sure: I
HATE THIS DESIGN. An inner teflon sleeve that can easily fall into the
boiler if you try to pull out the water-refill probe? NOT SMART!
I'm pretty worried I broke something like gaskets or something along the way
of all this throwing the machine around, but we'll see!
Cordo
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