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Date: 12 Aug 2006 04:58:32
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Subject: Gout and Caffeine (Purine)
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Are there people out there who know or believe
their gout was caused by caffeine?
I found Theobromide listed as a purine in goutpal.com and so I went looking
Caffeine 1,3,7-trimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[8]H[10]N[4]O[2]
Theobromine 3,7-dimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
Theophyline 1,3-dimethyl-7H-PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
I've been taking 1gm caffeine (coffee, tea, gurana, vivarin,
nodoz, red bull, you name it) a day from age 22-44.
This is the "official" definition of gout:
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section5/chapter55/55a.jsp
This is a "support group" for gout:
http://www.goutpal.com/
Ironically, I've seen web sites claiming
caffeine and/or guarana helps gout.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 15:11:26
From: werty
Subject: Re: Gout and Caffeine (Purine)
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If the pain is enough , you may want to learn to
fast . I and many have used it to stop problems .
1) brain will create more pain for you are starving the body .
At least thats what the simple "protection" brain thinks .
But when you tell it " My stomach lining is now touching
itself and my blood sugar is normal and i did this glucose
on 1/2 glass O.J. and 1/2 slice of white bread a day ....
2) the big one that i dont like is after you go so low
you start burning fat . That hurts bad ,.
Most recent , 2004 i curred upper ulcers . Looking back
it was so stupid of me to overeat and raise the acid/food
level to a part of the stom' that can't tolerate food ( your
stomach must NEVER be full ) .
In 48 hours i could eat / drink anything , pain gone !
Colds /Bacterial infections respond to fasting , your body
does not need food to combat these .....
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> Are there people out there who know or believe
> their gout was caused by caffeine?
>
> I found Theobromide listed as a purine in goutpal.com and so I went looking
>
> Caffeine 1,3,7-trimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[8]H[10]N[4]O[2]
> Theobromine 3,7-dimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
> Theophyline 1,3-dimethyl-7H-PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
>
> I've been taking 1gm caffeine (coffee, tea, gurana, vivarin,
> nodoz, red bull, you name it) a day from age 22-44.
>
> This is the "official" definition of gout:
>
> http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section5/chapter55/55a.jsp
>
> This is a "support group" for gout:
>
> http://www.goutpal.com/
>
> Ironically, I've seen web sites claiming
> caffeine and/or guarana helps gout.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 09:51:04
From: Mark Thorson
Subject: Re: Gout and Caffeine (Purine)
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vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
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> Ironically, I've seen web sites claiming
> caffeine and/or guarana helps gout.
Caffeine can act as a diuretic in some people,
which may help gout (if you don't have a
renal obstruction or something that would
contraindicate a diuretic).
The fact that it is purine is not necessarily
relevant, because the effective dose for a
drug effect is so small. Your intake of
reduced nitrogen from food (proteins and
nucleic acids) is likely to dwarf the
contribution from caffeine. That said,
it also matters why you have gout.
If you have kidney failure, it may be
necessary to restrict all sources of
reduced nitrogen, including caffeine.
In my case, my gout attacks have always
been dietary -- usually from overeating
meat. After the last one, I've been
very careful to limit my meat consumption
and I haven't had another attack.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 16:29:08
From: JXStern
Subject: Re: Gout and Caffeine (Purine)
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:58:32 +0000 (UTC),
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>Are there people out there who know or believe
>their gout was caused by caffeine?
>
>I found Theobromide listed as a purine in goutpal.com and so I went looking
>
>Caffeine 1,3,7-trimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[8]H[10]N[4]O[2]
>Theobromine 3,7-dimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
>Theophyline 1,3-dimethyl-7H-PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
Good to know, I gave up coffee long ago but drink tea with all of the
above - and the theobromine is chocolate? Oy.
Thanks!
J.
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