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Date: 24 Jul 2006 18:13:14
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Harar - first roast
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I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 01:29:25
From: Paul Monaghan
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:13:14 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:
>I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
>Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
>Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
>I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
If you are looking for blueberry I would stop right at the end of
first crack as a starting point. Blueberry, if it is there, should be
apparent immediately both in the dry aroma (after grinding) and in the
brew.
But stopping this early produces a somewhat harsh and thin cup IMHO,
so you'll want to extend the roast from there until you're happy with
the result. Roughly that point where the brew mellows but has not lost
the blueberry.
All IMHO of course.
Harar is amazing to me in the extent to which you can work it.
Good luck!
Paul
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 16:48:13
From:
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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Craig Andrews wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
> >I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
> >
> > Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
> >
> > Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
> >
> > I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
>
>
> To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
> crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
> tile 60 - 50.
> Craig.
I always go to second crack, about 25 seconds in. But it takes three
days rest invariably to get the blueberry. I don't usually like to rest
my roasts, but this one really needs it if it's blueberry you're after.
Gate
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 19:02:11
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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In article <1153784893.123944.41550@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
gaterod@earthlink.net wrote:
> Craig Andrews wrote:
> > "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> > news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
> > >I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
> > >
> > > Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
> > >
> > > Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
> > >
> > > I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
> >
> >
> > To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
> > crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
> > tile 60 - 50.
> > Craig.
>
> I always go to second crack, about 25 seconds in. But it takes three
> days rest invariably to get the blueberry. I don't usually like to rest
> my roasts, but this one really needs it if it's blueberry you're after.
>
> Gate
OK, so Thursday it should be about right?
But I'm confused about roast levels because what I read said City + is
through 1st crack, but not yet second.
But it is easy enough to do another batch, I'll take it into 2nd crack
and let it rest also.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 19:20:05
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
>I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
>
> Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
>
> Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
>
> I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
tile 60 - 50.
Craig.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 18:15:13
From:
Subject: re: Harar - first roast
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:20:05 -0400, "Craig Andrews"
<alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
>>I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
>>
>> Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
>>
...
>
>
>To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
>crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
>tile 60 - 50.
>Craig.
Most knowledgeable coffeeistas describe anything past 2nd crack as
full city or darker. City is before 2nd crack. Of course, you could
always check with Ian. He enjoys redefining things as well.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 21:27:17
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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<Roque Ja > wrote in message
news:9urac2li0dpces9fq46bgls76hdqlgvtvp@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:20:05 -0400, "Craig Andrews"
> <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>>news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
>>>I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
>>>
>>> Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before
>>> resting.
>>>
> ...
>>
>>
>>To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
>>crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
>>tile 60 - 50.
>>Craig.
>
>
> Most knowledgeable coffeeistas describe anything past 2nd crack as
> full city or darker. City is before 2nd crack. Of course, you could
> always check with Ian. He enjoys redefining things as well.
>
>
"City is before 2nd crack". You'll see that on my 4th chart. That chart
is hand written from the middle of Kenneth David's book, Home Coffee
Roasting : Romance & Revival.
Craig.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 19:14:08
From:
Subject: re: Harar - first roast
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:27:17 -0400, "Craig Andrews"
<alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:
>
><Roque Ja> wrote in message
>news:9urac2li0dpces9fq46bgls76hdqlgvtvp@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:20:05 -0400, "Craig Andrews"
>> <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>>
...
>>>
>>>
>>>To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
>>>crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
>>>tile 60 - 50.
>>>Craig.
>>
>>
>> Most knowledgeable coffeeistas describe anything past 2nd crack as
>> full city or darker. City is before 2nd crack.
...
>
>"City is before 2nd crack". You'll see that on my 4th chart. That chart
>is hand written from the middle of Kenneth David's book, Home Coffee
>Roasting : Romance & Revival.
>Craig.
May be that's what's on your chart, but it's not the advice you gave
the OP. I agree with the advice to go no more that a few pops into
2nd, but I disagree with your calling that a city roast and confusing
the OP who is learning roasting.
I would suggest to the OP that, as he gets more experience with his
roaster, he try to anticipate 2nd crack and stop before it. Easier to
give that advice than to follow it though, so I'd suggest stopping at
the first pop.
>
A few quickie quotes:
from: http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasted.pict-guide.html
City Roast, City+ Roast*:
"400 - 415 degrees f. internal bean temperature, 425-435 f by
thermo-probe
"The coffee has completed the First Crack, and has been allowed to
brown up a little, but Second Crack has not sounded yet....
"... lighter Full City roast, where the coffee has just barely showed
signs of 2nd crack -a snap or two-, or that 2nd crack is imminent, and
the roast is stopped."
from: http://www.socal.com/articles/809-0.html
"The 'Full City Roast' stage occurs at higher temperatures, just as
the bean reaches the 'second crack' stage. This stage happens at
different temperatures for different beans based on variety."
from: http://www.u-roast-em.com/blending.html
"'FIRST CRACK'
"City / American These beans are a darker brown but still dry with a
dull (as opposed to shiny) finish. City is as dark as you can get
without entering the next major landmark in roasting, which is...
"'SECOND CRACK'
...
"Full City / Vienna Full City is a midpoint; the second pop begins,"
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 19:00:16
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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In article <4il2t5F49vgiU1@individual.net >,
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
> >I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
> >
> > Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
> >
> > Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
> >
> > I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
>
>
> To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
> crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
> tile 60 - 50.
> Craig.
OK, now I'm confused. Reading the roasting tips from SweetMarias for my
FreshRoast, they say take it to City+. Fully through 1st crack, but not
yet to 2nd crack. About 6.5 Minutes roast + 2 Minute cooldown.
It says the same thing in the notes for their harar.
Here's the direct quote from their harar...
Roast: Harar is most fruited in a lighter City + roast (completely
through 1st crack, before 2nd crack), and turns deeply pungent in French
roasts. Between the two, a Vienna roast can possess the best of both. I
prefer City+ to Full City with this lot.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:19:24
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-1BF1C4.19001624072006@individual.net...
> In article <4il2t5F49vgiU1@individual.net>,
> "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
>> >I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
>> >
>> > Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before
>> > resting.
>> >
>> > Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
>> >
>> > I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
>>
>>
>> To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
>> crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts.
>> Agtron
>> tile 60 - 50.
>> Craig.
>
> OK, now I'm confused. Reading the roasting tips from SweetMarias for
> my
> FreshRoast, they say take it to City+. Fully through 1st crack, but
> not
> yet to 2nd crack. About 6.5 Minutes roast + 2 Minute cooldown.
>
> It says the same thing in the notes for their harar.
>
> Here's the direct quote from their harar...
>
> Roast: Harar is most fruited in a lighter City + roast (completely
> through 1st crack, before 2nd crack), and turns deeply pungent in
> French
> roasts. Between the two, a Vienna roast can possess the best of both.
> I
> prefer City+ to Full City with this lot.
I don't see what you're roasting with., you didn't say.. color is very
subjective. The 1st & 2nd charts may help.
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/coffeegeekcraiga/album?.dir=dacc&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//ca.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
Craig.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 19:29:54
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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In article <4il6ccF48cmlU1@individual.net >,
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-1BF1C4.19001624072006@individual.net...
> > In article <4il2t5F49vgiU1@individual.net>,
> > "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> >> news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
> >> >I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
> >> >
> >> > Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before
> >> > resting.
> >> >
> >> > Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
> >> >
> >> > I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
> >>
> >>
> >> To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
> >> crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts.
> >> Agtron
> >> tile 60 - 50.
> >> Craig.
> >
> > OK, now I'm confused. Reading the roasting tips from SweetMarias for
> > my
> > FreshRoast, they say take it to City+. Fully through 1st crack, but
> > not
> > yet to 2nd crack. About 6.5 Minutes roast + 2 Minute cooldown.
> >
> > It says the same thing in the notes for their harar.
> >
> > Here's the direct quote from their harar...
> >
> > Roast: Harar is most fruited in a lighter City + roast (completely
> > through 1st crack, before 2nd crack), and turns deeply pungent in
> > French
> > roasts. Between the two, a Vienna roast can possess the best of both.
> > I
> > prefer City+ to Full City with this lot.
>
>
> I don't see what you're roasting with., you didn't say.. color is very
> subjective. The 1st & 2nd charts may help.
> http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/coffeegeekcraiga/album?.dir=dacc&.src=ph&stor
> e=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//ca.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
> Craig.
Thanks for the link.
I'm using a FreshRoast +8.
One thing I've noticed when looking at both your charts and sweetmarias
pictures is that through 1st crack appears darker to me than the
pictures depict. Maybe that is what happens in the quicker roast times
of the FreshRoast? City+ is about 6.5 minutes for a 64 gram load.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:56:38
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-10683E.19295424072006@individual.net...
> In article <4il6ccF48cmlU1@individual.net>,
> "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:lloydparsons-1BF1C4.19001624072006@individual.net...
>> > In article <4il2t5F49vgiU1@individual.net>,
>> > "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:lloydparsons-E2A43D.18131424072006@individual.net...
>> >> >I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
>> >> >
>> >> > Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before
>> >> > resting.
>> >> >
>> >> > Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
>> >> crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts.
>> >> Agtron
>> >> tile 60 - 50.
>> >> Craig.
>> >
>> > OK, now I'm confused. Reading the roasting tips from SweetMarias
>> > for
>> > my
>> > FreshRoast, they say take it to City+. Fully through 1st crack,
>> > but
>> > not
>> > yet to 2nd crack. About 6.5 Minutes roast + 2 Minute cooldown.
>> >
>> > It says the same thing in the notes for their harar.
>> >
>> > Here's the direct quote from their harar...
>> >
>> > Roast: Harar is most fruited in a lighter City + roast (completely
>> > through 1st crack, before 2nd crack), and turns deeply pungent in
>> > French
>> > roasts. Between the two, a Vienna roast can possess the best of
>> > both.
>> > I
>> > prefer City+ to Full City with this lot.
>>
>>
>> I don't see what you're roasting with., you didn't say.. color is
>> very
>> subjective. The 1st & 2nd charts may help.
>> http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/coffeegeekcraiga/album?.dir=dacc&.src=ph&stor
>> e=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//ca.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
>> Craig.
>
> Thanks for the link.
>
> I'm using a FreshRoast +8.
>
> One thing I've noticed when looking at both your charts and
> sweetmarias
> pictures is that through 1st crack appears darker to me than the
> pictures depict. Maybe that is what happens in the quicker roast
> times
> of the FreshRoast? City+ is about 6.5 minutes for a 64 gram load.
Yes, from what I've heard. Being un-modded on no variac to slow it down,
the diff between say a "City" roast & mini charcoal briquettes is only
what?, 10 - 20 secs?
Craig.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:26:39
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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In article <4il8i6F45gkuU1@individual.net >,
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:
> > I'm using a FreshRoast +8.
> >
> > One thing I've noticed when looking at both your charts and
> > sweetmarias
> > pictures is that through 1st crack appears darker to me than the
> > pictures depict. Maybe that is what happens in the quicker roast
> > times
> > of the FreshRoast? City+ is about 6.5 minutes for a 64 gram load.
>
>
> Yes, from what I've heard. Being un-modded on no variac to slow it down,
> the diff between say a "City" roast & mini charcoal briquettes is only
> what?, 10 - 20 secs?
> Craig.
Not that bad, but you do have to pay attention. Start of 1st crack to
start of 2nd is about 1-1.5 minutes for most beans. After 2nd crack
starts, things get really fast.
I got the FreshRoast because of good reviews, it was inexpensive and it
was my first foray into roasting my own. I've not yet been disappointed
with it and the batch size is fine for me. One roast is about 1-2 days
worth of cafe cremas or caps.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 21:28:47
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-04A711.20263924072006@individual.net...
> In article <4il8i6F45gkuU1@individual.net>,
> "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> > I'm using a FreshRoast +8.
>> >
>> > One thing I've noticed when looking at both your charts and
>> > sweetmarias
>> > pictures is that through 1st crack appears darker to me than the
>> > pictures depict. Maybe that is what happens in the quicker roast
>> > times
>> > of the FreshRoast? City+ is about 6.5 minutes for a 64 gram load.
>>
>>
>> Yes, from what I've heard. Being un-modded on no variac to slow it
>> down,
>> the diff between say a "City" roast & mini charcoal briquettes is
>> only
>> what?, 10 - 20 secs?
>> Craig.
>
> Not that bad, but you do have to pay attention. Start of 1st crack to
> start of 2nd is about 1-1.5 minutes for most beans. After 2nd crack
> starts, things get really fast.
>
That's waht I meant, AFTER 2nd crack things happen fast..
Craig.
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 15:47:10
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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>>> > I'm using a FreshRoast +8.
>>> >
>>> > One thing I've noticed when looking at both your charts and
>>> > sweetmarias
>>> > pictures is that through 1st crack appears darker to me than the
>>> > pictures depict. Maybe that is what happens in the quicker roast
>>> > times
>>> > of the FreshRoast? City+ is about 6.5 minutes for a 64 gram load.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, from what I've heard. Being un-modded on no variac to slow it down,
>>> the diff between say a "City" roast & mini charcoal briquettes is only
>>> what?, 10 - 20 secs?
>>> Craig.
>>
>> Not that bad, but you do have to pay attention. Start of 1st crack to
>> start of 2nd is about 1-1.5 minutes for most beans. After 2nd crack
>> starts, things get really fast.
>>
>
> That's waht I meant, AFTER 2nd crack things happen fast..
> Craig.
um no, things happen fast around the time you don't want them to...
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 23:48:04
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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"Brent" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:4ilhlsF4cf2vU1@individual.net...
>>>> > I'm using a FreshRoast +8.
>>>> >
>>>> > One thing I've noticed when looking at both your charts and
>>>> > sweetmarias
>>>> > pictures is that through 1st crack appears darker to me than the
>>>> > pictures depict. Maybe that is what happens in the quicker roast
>>>> > times
>>>> > of the FreshRoast? City+ is about 6.5 minutes for a 64 gram
>>>> > load.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, from what I've heard. Being un-modded on no variac to slow it
>>>> down,
>>>> the diff between say a "City" roast & mini charcoal briquettes is
>>>> only
>>>> what?, 10 - 20 secs?
>>>> Craig.
>>>
>>> Not that bad, but you do have to pay attention. Start of 1st crack
>>> to
>>> start of 2nd is about 1-1.5 minutes for most beans. After 2nd crack
>>> starts, things get really fast.
>>>
>>
>> That's waht I meant, AFTER 2nd crack things happen fast..
>> Craig.
>
> um no, things happen fast around the time you don't want them to...
>
Haha!!, true enough! {;-D
Craig.
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 12:27:58
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Harar - first roast
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That's because different people use the phrase to describe different
points - if the description is city - through 1st before second, I would
read that to be a roasttaken to before second crack, and ignore the title.
Even dark and light have different meanings to different people.
Brent
>> >I got my Willoughby's FTO Harar today.
>> >
>> > Roasted to City + and gave it a try after cooling, but before resting.
>> >
>> > Damn good, but no blueberry. ;-(
>> >
>> > I'll wait a day or two to see how resting affects the flavoring.
>>
>>
>> To get/hit the fruit notes, you usually have to roast only to 2nd
>> crack., a few snaps in or so. That would be a City thereabouts. Agtron
>> tile 60 - 50.
>> Craig.
>
> OK, now I'm confused. Reading the roasting tips from SweetMarias for my
> FreshRoast, they say take it to City+. Fully through 1st crack, but not
> yet to 2nd crack. About 6.5 Minutes roast + 2 Minute cooldown.
>
> It says the same thing in the notes for their harar.
>
> Here's the direct quote from their harar...
>
> Roast: Harar is most fruited in a lighter City + roast (completely
> through 1st crack, before 2nd crack), and turns deeply pungent in French
> roasts. Between the two, a Vienna roast can possess the best of both. I
> prefer City+ to Full City with this lot.
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