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Date: 03 Jul 2006 17:59:52
From: katy
Subject: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Well, I did. It was used twice. A little "Salton" brand white one.
For $3 at a garage sale. Did I "score?" Will I be more likely to
"score" being the owner of said machine?
Thank you.
-Katy
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 01:28:53
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 05:09:36
From: Alan
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"D. Ross" wrote
(katy wrote)
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 22:25:23
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com > wrote:
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>"D. Ross" wrote
>(katy wrote)
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 17:53:40
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com > wrote:
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 20:42:14
From: Alan
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"D. Ross" wrote
> "Alan" wrote:
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 03:56:07
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Quoth "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com >:
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 15:42:25
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 00:42:36
From: Alan
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"D. Ross" wrote
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 05:40:40
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 00:22:11
From: Alan
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"D. Ross" wrote
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 06:17:58
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:22:11 GMT, "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>(Sigh) It's only because I think you're a nice guy, reasonably intelligent,
>and have an amusing website, that I'm going to try one more time to clarify
>for you. You seem to be missing the point.
>I think the difficulty you have in understanding what I've been trying to
>explain to you is that you may not be aware that there are two types of
>definitions. One type is called prescriptive. The other type is called
>descriptive. <snip>
Allow me to foolishly jump in where angels fear to tread. Definitions
can also be divided between professional and lay meanings. Words often
have different, and usually more specific, meanings for dors and
lawyers ("inherit" and "rob" come to mind), than they do for the
public at large. Discussions within the professional fold are
generally assumed to use the professional definitions.
The world of coffee professionals and connoisseurs also has its own
set of definitions and distinctive uses of words ("origin" is a
popular one). Discussions on alt.coffee often include industry lingo
and borrow industry usage, as most regular participants are either in
the industry, are thinking about being in it or are essentially
honorary members.
"Espresso" within the U.S. coffee industry (as opposed to marketing
puffery aimed at the general public) is not what comes out of a moka
pot, a steam toy or a package of "instant cappuccino." What appears on
a Mr. Coffee box or is spoken between unknowledgeable consumers is
mostly irrelevant here. I understand that beginners often come here
for help, and they receive a lot of it. But, I think in matters of
meaning, professional usage prevails here over lay meaning.
Marshall
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 07:46:53
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 09:18:00
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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In <44ae0b3c.534363413@localhost >, on Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:46:53 GMT, D.
Ross wrote:
> As it happens, I expect that my sense of the reality of the word's usage is
> shared by most partcipants on this newsgroup, therefore Alan's heretical
> view is the one that needs serious validation for acceptance. That is why I
> asked for a source for his assertion when he made it above. The desperate
> appeal to counting froogle hits is novel and amusing, but completely
> meaningless.
The froogle search I did came out a bit differently.
Of the first twenty, nineteen were pump machines and
one was a lever.
You can pretty much make a froogle search "prove"
whatever you want.
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 16:16:47
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Date: 09 Jul 2006 18:04:26
From: Alan
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:44ae7abf.562909861@localhost...
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Date: 08 Jul 2006 00:03:17
From: Alan
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"Marshall" wrote >
"Alan"
> wrote:
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>>(Sigh) It's only because I think you're a nice guy, reasonably
>>intelligent,
>>and have an amusing website, that I'm going to try one more time to
>>clarify
>>for you. You seem to be missing the point.
>>I think the difficulty you have in understanding what I've been trying to
>>explain to you is that you may not be aware that there are two types of
>>definitions. One type is called prescriptive. The other type is called
>>descriptive. <snip>
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> Allow me to foolishly jump in where angels fear to tread. Definitions
> can also be divided between professional and lay meanings. Words often
> have different, and usually more specific, meanings for dors and
> lawyers ("inherit" and "rob" come to mind), than they do for the
> public at large. Discussions within the professional fold are
> generally assumed to use the professional definitions.
>
> The world of coffee professionals and connoisseurs also has its own
> set of definitions and distinctive uses of words ("origin" is a
> popular one). Discussions on alt.coffee often include industry lingo
> and borrow industry usage, as most regular participants are either in
> the industry, are thinking about being in it or are essentially
> honorary members.
>
> "Espresso" within the U.S. coffee industry (as opposed to marketing
> puffery aimed at the general public) is not what comes out of a moka
> pot, a steam toy or a package of "instant cappuccino." What appears on
> a Mr. Coffee box or is spoken between unknowledgeable consumers is
> mostly irrelevant here. I understand that beginners often come here
> for help, and they receive a lot of it. But, I think in matters of
> meaning, professional usage prevails here over lay meaning.
>
> Marshall
Thanks for jumping in, Marshall ---- what you've said makes sense and is an
excellent summation. It's such an excellent summation that I'm going to let
it stand as the last word.
If D. Ross wishes to continue to delude himself that the "professional"
usage of the term (as used appropriately in the context of this newsgroup)
is "exactly coincident" with the "lay" usage (in spite of evidence that he
himself has supplied), then so be it.
Thanks again.
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 05:27:11
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Quoth "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com >:
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 11:51:54
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>Incidentally, my use (that you quote below) was simply a mistake, not a
>language evolution problem. Like most humans I often make mistakes, they
>should not be interpreted as a reflection of actual belief.
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What about, "I believe I made a mistake"? ;-)
Is that a mistaken belief or believing in a mistake?
Randy "I belief I'll go now" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
..Oh... I'll now add ;-) but that wasn't a mistake
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 19:03:55
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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C'mon RG, after your fiasco trying to explain how a combination of good
espresso machine, good grinder, & good beans, would result in poor coffee?
Give up on trying to point out flaws in others for a while. ;)
--
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in message
news:j3ela2t3la3oo7vq6f0t4rheqh930osvgp@4ax.com...
> ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
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>>Incidentally, my use (that you quote below) was simply a mistake, not a
>>language evolution problem. Like most humans I often make mistakes, they
>>should not be interpreted as a reflection of actual belief.
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> What about, "I believe I made a mistake"? ;-)
> Is that a mistaken belief or believing in a mistake?
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> Randy "I belief I'll go now" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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> ..Oh... I'll now add ;-) but that wasn't a mistake
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 07:21:22
From: Carmen
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Alan wrote:
> "D. Ross" wrote
> (katy wrote)
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 17:23:41
From: Danny
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Carmen wrote:
> Salton does make something styled to be an espresso maker - albeit a
> steam toy. DH and I haunt thrift stores, and yesterday I saw a combo
> coffee maker/espresso maker by Salton in one of them. Vaguely
> reminiscent of Krups' Cafe Duomo thing. If they make a combo unit they
> probably make a stand-alone steam toy. Katy wasn't too specific about
> what she bought.
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I still have a Salton EX3 machine from the '80's that makes a nice
coffee and can steam too. Pictured on my site.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 12:10:37
From: Rush Limp-baugh
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Oh, you really scored! Was your heart racing on the way back home?
Anyway, put a fancy Italian name over the top of the Salton label and I'd
bet you could ebay it for $1000 or more.
Prolly one of our resident alt.coffee nutcakes will buy it and PID it.
LOL!
"katy" <thecitychicken@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1151974792.028150.217510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Well, I did. It was used twice. A little "Salton" brand white one.
> For $3 at a garage sale. Did I "score?" Will I be more likely to
> "score" being the owner of said machine?
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> Thank you.
>
> -Katy
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 05:56:13
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Donn Cave wrote:
>Who can find the
> obsession peculiar to an individual in this picture?
Do "you" mean the "peculiar" fondness that the "writer" has for
"quotation marks?"
"Will"
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 09:44:27
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote:
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>Donn Cave wrote:
>>Who can find the
>> obsession peculiar to an individual in this picture?
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>Do "you" mean the "peculiar" fondness that the "writer" has for
>"quotation marks?"
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>"Will"
"I" "h"a"d" "t"o" "l"o"o"k" "b"a"c"k" "t"h"r"o"u"g"h" "t"h"e"
"t"h"r"e"a"d" "t"o" "s"e"e "t"o" "w"h"o"m" "y"o"u" "w"e"r"e"
"r"e"f"e"r"r"i"n"g"...
Randy """ G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 09:15:27
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Steve Ackman wrote:
> You can pretty much make a froogle search "prove"
> whatever you want.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"
Benjamin Disraeli
Will (who will go back to his original sig line)
The human capacity for self-delusion is nearly boundless.
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Date: 11 Jul 2006 12:12:24
From: katy
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Rush Limp-baugh wrote:
> Oh, you really scored! Was your heart racing on the way back home?
No, but I did "cream" in my "jeans."
-K.
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Date: 11 Jul 2006 21:18:42
From: Rush Limp-baugh
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Spelling corrected
"katy" <thecitychicken@yahoo.com > wrote ..
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> No, but I did "crema" in my "jeans."
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Date: 12 Jul 2006 09:39:10
From: katy
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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Rush Limp-baugh wrote:
> Spelling corrected
> > No, but I did "crema" in my "jeans."
Heehee!
Can I see your steam wand?
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Date: 12 Jul 2006 23:17:13
From: Rush Limp-baugh
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"katy" <thecitychicken@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1152722350.151952.167930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> Rush Limp-baugh wrote:
>> Spelling corrected
>> > No, but I did "crema" in my "jeans."
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> Heehee!
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> Can I see your steam wand?
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Sure...but I must warn you, if you touch it, it heats up instanly! ;<)
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Date: 12 Jul 2006 14:00:41
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: I got an espresso maker for $3 at a garage sale.
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"katy" <thecitychicken@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1152722350.151952.167930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> Rush Limp-baugh wrote:
>> Spelling corrected
>> > No, but I did "crema" in my "jeans."
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> Heehee!
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> Can I see your steam wand?
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{:-o {:-O {:-D LOL!!!
Craig.
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