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Date: 23 Jun 2006 12:47:48
From: gscace
Subject: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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Hi:
There's been an ongoing thread on Home Barista about burr runout in
Cimbali grinders that resulted in the decloaking of T.J. Tarateta of
G.M. Ammirati Imports, one of the importers of Cimbali products. the
thread starts at
http://www.home-barista.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1661
The thread is interesting on a variety of levels. Of course, there's
a discussion of a grinder problem, but more interesting is the response
to it by the importer and the manufacturer. Mr. Tarateta has some
opinion on American espresso, coffee fresness, and the SCAA as well.
It's an interesting take.
-Greg
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Date: 24 Jun 2006 04:57:48
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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Date: 23 Jun 2006 23:25:09
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 19:17:15
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 21:07:39
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 21:13:54
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 22:33:16
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> Hehe I think you might also be reading too much into my post also. :-)
>
> He said "You have been noted by many people within our network as an
> advocate of our equipment and we most certainly appreciate your factual
> coverage of our espresso equipment."
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> I am not suggesting that you did anything that they never thought of,
> just
> that you have their attention and as such, iff (sic) they decide to do
> with
> a prototype like LM did with Greg S, that you would be right up there on
> there list. That'd be ok with you I'd imagine.
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> Johnny
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>
Another possibility (probably the greater probability) is that he'd never
heard of me before he saw my first post in the thread where I lambasted
Cimbali for their lack of attention to the US enthusiast market. He then
did a quick search and found some of my posts, and made a polite reference
to them. I sincerely doubt that anyone in the Cimbali lunchroom in Italy
ever said anything to the effect of, "gee, wonder what that crank in Idaho
is going to come up with next?"
My recent discussions with one of the two guys who runs the BC Canada
Cimbali importers (when I visited their shop on a parts hunting expedition
during my recent trip to Vancouver) revealed that there is a bunch of new
stuff coming down the pike from Cimbali that they have been briefed on.
None of it was in single group Cimbali machines, however. I remember that
there is a smaller more economical 2 group Bistro-like machine coming out,
for example. I even asked specifically about new stuff in single group
machines and was told there isn't anything planned at the moment. This is
where enthusiast consumer demand COULD make a difference, for example
questions raised in the thread by Marshall as a potential purchaser who has
held off due to reservations on walk up temperature stability. But they
already have my money and the likelihood that I would upgrade isn't very
high; I like what I already have.
Even if there was something interesting coming out in a machine that could
be fit in my kitchen, the problem with beta testing is that you have to give
the machine back when you are done, and you are back to square one.
Finally, in spite of all the stuff I have played around with on my machines,
if you asked me what is it that has made the biggest improvement in my
espressos, the answer would be improving my skills as a home roaster and
finding beans I can roast that make espresso that I like. All the machine
stuff pales in comparison.
Best,
ken
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 05:07:42
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:33:16 -0600, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:
>This is
>where enthusiast consumer demand COULD make a difference, for example
>questions raised in the thread by Marshall as a potential purchaser who has
>held off due to reservations on walk up temperature stability. But they
>already have my money and the likelihood that I would upgrade isn't very
>high; I like what I already have.
Since T.J. answered everyone's question, except mine, I gather that
they have no interest in competing with the GS3 and no interest in
double boiler automatics or semi-automatics. What I also took from
today's responses was:
1. La Cimbali is very proud of the M-39 brewhead, but has no present
intention of building it in a single head version.
2. They are focusing a great deal of attention on commercial
superautos with double boilers.
3. No significant changes are in store for the Junior, which will
remain their "consumer machine."
Marshall
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 23:18:22
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:33:16 -0600, "Ken Fox"
> <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>This is
>>where enthusiast consumer demand COULD make a difference, for example
>>questions raised in the thread by Marshall as a potential purchaser who
>>has
>>held off due to reservations on walk up temperature stability. But they
>>already have my money and the likelihood that I would upgrade isn't very
>>high; I like what I already have.
>
> Since T.J. answered everyone's question, except mine, I gather that
> they have no interest in competing with the GS3 and no interest in
> double boiler automatics or semi-automatics. What I also took from
> today's responses was:
>
> 1. La Cimbali is very proud of the M-39 brewhead, but has no present
> intention of building it in a single head version.
>
> 2. They are focusing a great deal of attention on commercial
> superautos with double boilers.
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> 3. No significant changes are in store for the Junior, which will
> remain their "consumer machine."
>
> Marshall
of course I don't know but my sense is that he got sidetracked responding to
the post he considered confrontative and somehow your question got lost in
the process. I think you should cut and paste your points into that thread
and ask him if the impression you got was what he intended to convey. If
the impression you got was correct, then it gets us back to the post I made
at the start where I said that if Cimbali continues to ignore their consumer
enthusiast base, they will soon be viewed by people like us as a
manufacturer of commercial superautomatic machines of no particular interest
to us.
ken
p.s. he did say in an earlier post that they regarded $3500 as the absolute
maximum that any significant group of home users would pay, and they would
not make a machine to retail for more than that. By inference one could
conclude that with the GS3 slated to retail for $4500, that they are not
going to compete with a machine that costs that much.
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 05:53:58
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:18:22 -0600, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:
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>of course I don't know but my sense is that he got sidetracked responding to
>the post he considered confrontative and somehow your question got lost in
>the process. I think you should cut and paste your points into that thread
>and ask him if the impression you got was what he intended to convey.
Done.
Marshall
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 00:09:36
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Interesting decloaking by Cimbali and importer on Home Barista
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"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:18:22 -0600, "Ken Fox"
> <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>of course I don't know but my sense is that he got sidetracked responding
>>to
>>the post he considered confrontative and somehow your question got lost in
>>the process. I think you should cut and paste your points into that
>>thread
>>and ask him if the impression you got was what he intended to convey.
>
> Done.
>
> Marshall
His continued posting on the thread is a surprising but welcome sign. We
will see "in the fullness of time" if anything comes of this.
ken
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