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Date: 10 Jun 2006 17:04:01
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Miss Silvia has PID
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That topic should get a chuckle from any of you who are in the medical
business...
Silvie came to live with me not long after people started adding post
hoc temp controllers. I'm pretty handy with a soldering pencil but
just never got around to it. But so many people raved and
raved...finally had to have one.
I could have sent it off to Brother Dave as I know he does a fine job.
But the thought of falling back on the office Nespresso didn't appeal
to me, nor did the prospect of ordering parts and then finding time in
my hectic schedule to go to Rat Shack for oddments.
Instead, I ordered a kit from Jim Gallt up in Lexington, KY. Maybe you
have talked about his stuff to death already. If so, exercise your
delete key and forgive me.
But if you aren't familiar with this fellow, let me give him the
highest possible recommendation. The kit was delivered three days
after I sent payment via PayPal. Wow! This guy's workshop must be run
to ISO 9001 standards. All the parts brand new (Yes, I know he sells
some used controllers but I opted for a new controller and SSR), bagged
appropriately, wire cut to length and nicely terminated, bare ends
tinned, even a little hand-written note of encouragement. Forty-eight
pages of instructions on a CD, lavishly illustrated with color images.
Heck, my dawg could have assembled it.
OK (stop biting me!) the dawg DID assemble it. Took her just about an
hour. Then we fired it up and it came right up to temp (228 F) and
stuck there like glue. Pulled a couple of blank shots and there was
one degree of indicated overshoot on recovery. He says he autotunes
before shipping and apparently he hit it on the nose for this one.
Haven't gone after it with a precision thermocouple and probably won't
bother though my partner, the computer scientist, will probably take
his Tektronix to it when I'm not looking and run some graphs.
And is it worth it! No more surfing, just lock and load. Took another
variable out of the equation, which is all to the good for a duffer
like me. I have fewer excuses with every passing day...guess I'll have
to admit that my bad shots are pure cockpit error.
Some people fuss cuz Jim sometimes sells used controllers and others
grumble about the fact that he runs power and control and TC wiring
down a wire loom outside the case. Well, he is meticulous in making
sure that potential buyers know that some of his equipment is used.
And, while Dave's installations are definitely cleaner, I just wasn't
up for holes in Silvie's lovely torso. As it is, she can go right back
to her virginal purity should I ever wish her to do so.
Maybe some folks have had bad experiences with Jim. If so, I'd like to
hear them. Based on my contact, he's the Real Deal.
Will
"The human capacity for being surprised at excellence is nearly
boundless."
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Date: 10 Jun 2006 19:38:12
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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"Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote:
>Instead, I ordered a kit from Jim Gallt up in Lexington, KY. Maybe you
>have talked about his stuff to death already. If so, exercise your
>delete key and forgive me.
Never been mentioned here as far as I know. How about a contact,
website, etc.???
Randy "whodeheckamhe?" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 10 Jun 2006 21:47:27
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in message
news:0f0n82dlu23lqnal2rlil5fjemjvlrmfis@4ax.com...
> "Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Instead, I ordered a kit from Jim Gallt up in Lexington, KY. Maybe you
> >have talked about his stuff to death already. If so, exercise your
> >delete key and forgive me.
>
> Never been mentioned here as far as I know. How about a contact,
> website, etc.???
>
>
> Randy "whodeheckamhe?" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
Perhaps seller 'mlgpllc' on ebay
who is selling item 4469059024 '
PID kit for temperature control - fits Rancilio Silvia
' for $109 and the Item location:Central KY, United States
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Date: 10 Jun 2006 22:50:55
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Perhaps seller 'mlgpllc' on ebay
>who is selling item 4469059024 '
>PID kit for temperature control - fits Rancilio Silvia
>' for $109 and the Item location:Central KY, United States
I think so- I just contacted him by E-Mail.
Randy "PID for you and me?" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 01:52:01
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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This points up one of my pet peeves.
Everyone raves about the Rancilio Silvia as the best sub-$500 home espresso
maker & having owned one I'll agree that it makes a fine cup... OK, then
there's the same machine with a PID? As a reformed hot rodder I firmly
believe that anything can & should be improved given the money, time, &
skill needed for the job. But would I have raved about my '66 Chevy II that
came stock with a stovebolt 4 & 2 speed auto or would my accolades be for
the Yenko 350 CI/375 BHP & B&M Hydro shifter equipped 'B Pro/Stock' machine
I used to run at Lions in Long Beach most Saturdays & Sundays during the
late '60s & early '70s? NHRA said I couldn't compete against the factory
stock Chevy II's, seems they thought I'd have an unfair advantage.
What I'm getting at is the sub-$500 Silvia is a fine machine & the PID
probably (certainly?) improves its performance. But we need to differentiate
between the two when doing evaluations of the two & everything else. Put the
PID equipped Silvia up against other $700 plus machines & let the unmodified
Silvia compete against the sub-$500 machines.
Or, we could setup different class categories that would handicap comparison
testing. Maybe an unmodded running pure nitro (Kona) against a PID modified
fueled by 88 ane pump gas (average quality Arabica)? Or maybe pure
distilled water for the before Silvia & tape water straight from the taps of
Taos, NM?
Robert (stirring the pot; 'Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble' ) Harmon
<Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1149984241.687303.51620@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> That topic should get a chuckle from any of you who are in the medical
> business...
>
> Silvie came to live with me not long after people started adding post
> hoc temp controllers. I'm pretty handy with a soldering pencil but
> just never got around to it. But so many people raved and
> raved...finally had to have one.
>
> I could have sent it off to Brother Dave as I know he does a fine job.
> But the thought of falling back on the office Nespresso didn't appeal
> to me, nor did the prospect of ordering parts and then finding time in
> my hectic schedule to go to Rat Shack for oddments.
>
> Instead, I ordered a kit from Jim Gallt up in Lexington, KY. Maybe you
> have talked about his stuff to death already. If so, exercise your
> delete key and forgive me.
>
> But if you aren't familiar with this fellow, let me give him the
> highest possible recommendation. The kit was delivered three days
> after I sent payment via PayPal. Wow! This guy's workshop must be run
> to ISO 9001 standards. All the parts brand new (Yes, I know he sells
> some used controllers but I opted for a new controller and SSR), bagged
> appropriately, wire cut to length and nicely terminated, bare ends
> tinned, even a little hand-written note of encouragement. Forty-eight
> pages of instructions on a CD, lavishly illustrated with color images.
> Heck, my dawg could have assembled it.
>
> OK (stop biting me!) the dawg DID assemble it. Took her just about an
> hour. Then we fired it up and it came right up to temp (228 F) and
> stuck there like glue. Pulled a couple of blank shots and there was
> one degree of indicated overshoot on recovery. He says he autotunes
> before shipping and apparently he hit it on the nose for this one.
> Haven't gone after it with a precision thermocouple and probably won't
> bother though my partner, the computer scientist, will probably take
> his Tektronix to it when I'm not looking and run some graphs.
>
> And is it worth it! No more surfing, just lock and load. Took another
> variable out of the equation, which is all to the good for a duffer
> like me. I have fewer excuses with every passing day...guess I'll have
> to admit that my bad shots are pure cockpit error.
>
> Some people fuss cuz Jim sometimes sells used controllers and others
> grumble about the fact that he runs power and control and TC wiring
> down a wire loom outside the case. Well, he is meticulous in making
> sure that potential buyers know that some of his equipment is used.
> And, while Dave's installations are definitely cleaner, I just wasn't
> up for holes in Silvie's lovely torso. As it is, she can go right back
> to her virginal purity should I ever wish her to do so.
>
> Maybe some folks have had bad experiences with Jim. If so, I'd like to
> hear them. Based on my contact, he's the Real Deal.
>
> Will
> "The human capacity for being surprised at excellence is nearly
> boundless."
>
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Date: 10 Jun 2006 19:37:10
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
>What I'm getting at is the sub-$500 Silvia is a fine machine & the PID
>probably (certainly?) improves its performance. But we need to differentiate
>between the two when doing evaluations of the two & everything else. Put the
>PID equipped Silvia up against other $700 plus machines & let the unmodified
>Silvia compete against the sub-$500 machines.
>
This has been discussed qutite a bit. What you get with $700+ machines
is a dual boiler or a heat exchanger. The benefit is that you get the
ability to steam during or immediately after pulling a shot with no
waiting, and can go back to pulling shots again. What you don't get in
most of them (until you get well into the Thousands$$$) is the
temperature stability that Silvia can achieve- at least not without
adding a PID... ;-)
Randy "there. I said it" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 03:16:11
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in
news:4a0n8298mcakfutt8hv7b1ic3npujn7t9r@4ax.com:
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>What I'm getting at is the sub-$500 Silvia is a fine machine & the PID
>>probably (certainly?) improves its performance. But we need to
>>differentiate between the two when doing evaluations of the two &
>>everything else. Put the PID equipped Silvia up against other $700
>>plus machines & let the unmodified Silvia compete against the sub-$500
>>machines.
>>
> This has been discussed qutite a bit. What you get with $700+ machines
> is a dual boiler or a heat exchanger. The benefit is that you get the
> ability to steam during or immediately after pulling a shot with no
> waiting, and can go back to pulling shots again. What you don't get in
> most of them (until you get well into the Thousands$$$) is the
> temperature stability that Silvia can achieve- at least not without
> adding a PID... ;-)
>
>
> Randy "there. I said it" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough.
Without a PID the Rancilio Silvia is only marginally better than several
other sub-$500 machines. It's only after the PID is added & the temperature
stability you mention is achieved that the Silvia stands head & shoulders
above the Gaggia lineup for example. Until then any differences are minimal
& subjective.
;) Robert (Yup pard', you said it - qutite) Harmon
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Date: 10 Jun 2006 22:39:48
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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Robert Harmon <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
>Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough.
>
>Without a PID the Rancilio Silvia is only marginally better than several
>other sub-$500 machines. It's only after the PID is added & the temperature
>stability you mention is achieved that the Silvia stands head & shoulders
>above the Gaggia lineup for example. Until then any differences are minimal
>& subjective.
>
In the sub-$500 classs there isn't a lot of difference between Silvia
and the similar Gaggias. What Silvia does have is a huge mass of
information available and a lot of active users who have posted and
share a tremendous amount of information. An FWIW, in a
non-comparitive venue, the Silvia does have an excellent track record
of dependability and ease of repair as well.
Randy "it works for me!" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 09:04:18
From: Sylvain
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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> This has been discussed qutite a bit. What you get with $700+ machines
> is a dual boiler or a heat exchanger. The benefit is that you get the
> ability to steam during or immediately after pulling a shot with no
> waiting, and can go back to pulling shots again. What you don't get in
> most of them (until you get well into the Thousands$$$) is the
> temperature stability that Silvia can achieve- at least not without
> adding a PID... ;-)
>
You can get an e61. For me, as importantly as temp stability is ease of
use. I've just upgraded for an e61, it seems no matter how sloppy my
preparation is, I can't get channeling or bad shots in general. Everything
I pulled is at least acceptable, which wasn't the case with Silvia.
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 01:42:44
From: RBeech
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:04:01 -0700, Omniryx@gmail.com <Omniryx@gmail.com >
wrote:
>
> Instead, I ordered a kit from Jim Gallt up in Lexington, KY. Maybe you
> have talked about his stuff to death already. If so, exercise your
> delete key and forgive me.
>
> Will
I am not familiar with this guy, and Google doesn't seem to know him too
well either... does he have a website/ebay store or what?
R
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 08:06:57
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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Silvia does seem pickier than most. I'd love to hear from some of the
truly knowledgeable folks on here about why that is. The grind
pickiness, for example.
I dunno why an e61 would prevent channeling but maybe I am missing
something. Explainify, please.
To me, a lot of the fun of my affair with Miss Silvia has been learning
instead of leaning. That is to say, learning how to do things myself
rather than relying on a more sophisticated machine to do it for me.
A bottomless PF was a humongous help in that regard as at least 10,000
people realized before I did.
Drinking is only part of the experience. For me, anyway.
Sylvain wrote:
> > This has been discussed qutite a bit. What you get with $700+ machines
> > is a dual boiler or a heat exchanger. The benefit is that you get the
> > ability to steam during or immediately after pulling a shot with no
> > waiting, and can go back to pulling shots again. What you don't get in
> > most of them (until you get well into the Thousands$$$) is the
> > temperature stability that Silvia can achieve- at least not without
> > adding a PID... ;-)
> >
>
> You can get an e61. For me, as importantly as temp stability is ease of
> use. I've just upgraded for an e61, it seems no matter how sloppy my
> preparation is, I can't get channeling or bad shots in general. Everything
> I pulled is at least acceptable, which wasn't the case with Silvia.
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 05:14:38
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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That is the man. I found him on ebay but wanted more information
before laying down the green. I got a bit more via the Australian
site, Coffeesnobs, after googling 'silvia pid kit.' If you peer around
in his ebay stuff you can find a link to some pages of his own at
http://www.mlgp-llc.com/PID/index.php. Given his limited amount of
ebay feedback, it appears that he is brand new in the PID business.
Note that he offers a choice of three Watlow controllers. I chose the
965A which is a 1/16 DIN (that's a size designator) two-line display
that shows both the chosen set point and the actual temp at the TC.
Some of the controllers are used, as he makes very clear in the
advertisements, and those he warrants himself. New Watlow controllers
such as the one I bought carry a three year warranty.
Let me make clear that I have no financial interest in this company and
certainly am receiving nothing for my endorsement (which, after all, is
worth precisely what you paid for it). I am just a satisfied customer.
Will
Randy G. wrote:
> "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps seller 'mlgpllc' on ebay
> >who is selling item 4469059024 '
> >PID kit for temperature control - fits Rancilio Silvia
> >' for $109 and the Item location:Central KY, United States
>
> I think so- I just contacted him by E-Mail.
>
>
> Randy "PID for you and me?" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 22:26:36
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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I talked to the gentleman on the phone and as you stated, I found him
to be enthusiastic, responsive, and dedicated to what he is offering.
I hope to be able to offer a full review with details on my website by
the end of July. Stay tuned!
Randy "PID'd'd" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
"Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>That is the man. I found him on ebay but wanted more information
>before laying down the green. I got a bit more via the Australian
>site, Coffeesnobs, after googling 'silvia pid kit.' If you peer around
>in his ebay stuff you can find a link to some pages of his own at
>http://www.mlgp-llc.com/PID/index.php. Given his limited amount of
>ebay feedback, it appears that he is brand new in the PID business.
>
>Note that he offers a choice of three Watlow controllers. I chose the
>965A which is a 1/16 DIN (that's a size designator) two-line display
>that shows both the chosen set point and the actual temp at the TC.
>Some of the controllers are used, as he makes very clear in the
>advertisements, and those he warrants himself. New Watlow controllers
>such as the one I bought carry a three year warranty.
>
>Let me make clear that I have no financial interest in this company and
>certainly am receiving nothing for my endorsement (which, after all, is
>worth precisely what you paid for it). I am just a satisfied customer.
>
>
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 06:47:16
From: Brewer Bob
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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I guess top posting is ok here....on rec.crafts.brewing we bottom
post...oh well... different culture I guess. Anyhoo...Randy, that would
be cool with a review of a PID's Silvia. You've helped me out with
numerous Hottop issues and I'm sure you gave me guidance with my Mazzer
Mini.
I'm still looking for that perfect shot with my Silvia. I have no way of
getting a good temp reading using slow analog/digital readouts with the
styrofoam cup method at the bottom of the PF so, I'll just set the PID
at 228 and shoot for the perfect grind/extraction time ratio.
Brewer "wondering who I need to send some beer to" bob-girolamo at sbc
global.net
http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
Randy G. wrote:
>I talked to the gentleman on the phone and as you stated, I found him
>to be enthusiastic, responsive, and dedicated to what he is offering.
>
>I hope to be able to offer a full review with details on my website by
>the end of July. Stay tuned!
>
>
> Randy "PID'd'd" G.
>http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>
>"Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>That is the man. I found him on ebay but wanted more information
>>before laying down the green. I got a bit more via the Australian
>>site, Coffeesnobs, after googling 'silvia pid kit.' If you peer around
>>in his ebay stuff you can find a link to some pages of his own at
>>http://www.mlgp-llc.com/PID/index.php. Given his limited amount of
>>ebay feedback, it appears that he is brand new in the PID business.
>>
>>Note that he offers a choice of three Watlow controllers. I chose the
>>965A which is a 1/16 DIN (that's a size designator) two-line display
>>that shows both the chosen set point and the actual temp at the TC.
>>Some of the controllers are used, as he makes very clear in the
>>advertisements, and those he warrants himself. New Watlow controllers
>>such as the one I bought carry a three year warranty.
>>
>>Let me make clear that I have no financial interest in this company and
>>certainly am receiving nothing for my endorsement (which, after all, is
>>worth precisely what you paid for it). I am just a satisfied customer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 08:00:09
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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Sometimes I top post....
Brewer Bob <bob-girolamo@nospam.sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>
>I guess top posting is ok here....on rec.crafts.brewing we bottom
>post...oh well... different culture I guess.
>
Sometimes I inter-post...
>I'm still looking for that perfect shot with my Silvia. I have no way of
>getting a good temp reading using slow analog/digital readouts with the
>styrofoam cup method at the bottom of the PF so, I'll just set the PID
>at 228 and shoot for the perfect grind/extraction time ratio.
>
No such thing. If you ever hit the perfect shot it will drive you
crazy trying to recreate it! ;-)
Seriously, the best thing to test brew temp is your palate. Getting
the rest correct comes from experience. ALthough the PID was the
biggest factor for me in getting things consistant, it took about
three years for me to put it all together.
>Brewer "wondering who I need to send some beer to"
Randy G.
P.O box 4006...
I would be gald to review that as well!
;-)
Oh... and sometimes I bottom post, and sometimes I:
Randy "internym" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
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Date: 22 Jun 2006 15:32:01
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in message
news:0jup82tgk20brhkbl3gqsn1j1o24rphra3@4ax.com...
>I talked to the gentleman on the phone and as you stated, I found him
> to be enthusiastic, responsive, and dedicated to what he is offering.
>
> I hope to be able to offer a full review with details on my website by
> the end of July. Stay tuned!
>
>
> Randy "PID'd'd" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>
> "Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>That is the man. I found him on ebay but wanted more information
>>before laying down the green. I got a bit more via the Australian
>>site, Coffeesnobs, after googling 'silvia pid kit.' If you peer
>>around
>>in his ebay stuff you can find a link to some pages of his own at
>>http://www.mlgp-llc.com/PID/index.php. Given his limited amount of
>>ebay feedback, it appears that he is brand new in the PID business.
>>
>>Note that he offers a choice of three Watlow controllers. I chose the
>>965A which is a 1/16 DIN (that's a size designator) two-line display
>>that shows both the chosen set point and the actual temp at the TC.
>>Some of the controllers are used, as he makes very clear in the
>>advertisements, and those he warrants himself. New Watlow controllers
>>such as the one I bought carry a three year warranty.
>>
>>Let me make clear that I have no financial interest in this company
>>and
>>certainly am receiving nothing for my endorsement (which, after all,
>>is
>>worth precisely what you paid for it). I am just a satisfied
>>customer.
>>
>>
I've talked to Jim Gallt several times & concur with what Randy has said
above! {:-)
I bought two of the PID kits for Silvia, one 2 line display "Pid kit for
temperature control - fits Rancilio Silvia DIY kit, stainless
enclosure - NEW MODEL" Watlow 965A 1/16 DIN & the "PID kit for
temperature control - fits Rancilio SilviaStainless steel enclosure - UL
wiring - Do It Yourself " Watlow 935A 1/32 DIN.
The one line model kit I won on eBay with a 2nd bid, & the 2 line kit I
got with a "Buy it Now" option, both on Tues June 6 2006. I just
received both kits today in the morning mail @ 10:30am. {:-D
I'm TOTALLY impressed & very pleased with the quality &workmanship of
the kits & professionlism of the Detailed 40-plus page instruction
manual, with dozens of color photographs (provided in PDF format on CD).
I'll probably be installing the 2 line display kit on Fri or Sat., &
I'll post my thoughts & reply here.
Cheers!
Regards,
Craig Andrews.
www.andrewsgreenbeans.com
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 15:00:49
From: Sylvain
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> Silvia does seem pickier than most. I'd love to hear from some of the
> truly knowledgeable folks on here about why that is. The grind
> pickiness, for example.
>
> I dunno why an e61 would prevent channeling but maybe I am missing
> something. Explainify, please.
I'm no expert, but the target of the e61 was to provide preinfusion.
(It is said that the coffee puck has time to expand with the low
pressure of preinfusion and reduce possible water paths that could
result in channeling.) There are a lot of threads discussing the pros
of preinfusion, if you google. It really seems to work and do little
wonders for me.
I have bottomless pf so it is easy for me to compare between Silvia and
my new e61 with the same technique (or lack of!).
> To me, a lot of the fun of my affair with Miss Silvia has been learning
> instead of leaning. That is to say, learning how to do things myself
> rather than relying on a more sophisticated machine to do it for me.
>
> A bottomless PF was a humongous help in that regard as at least 10,000
> people realized before I did.
>
> Drinking is only part of the experience. For me, anyway.
>
>
>
> Sylvain wrote:
> > > This has been discussed qutite a bit. What you get with $700+ machines
> > > is a dual boiler or a heat exchanger. The benefit is that you get the
> > > ability to steam during or immediately after pulling a shot with no
> > > waiting, and can go back to pulling shots again. What you don't get in
> > > most of them (until you get well into the Thousands$$$) is the
> > > temperature stability that Silvia can achieve- at least not without
> > > adding a PID... ;-)
> > >
> >
> > You can get an e61. For me, as importantly as temp stability is ease of
> > use. I've just upgraded for an e61, it seems no matter how sloppy my
> > preparation is, I can't get channeling or bad shots in general. Everything
> > I pulled is at least acceptable, which wasn't the case with Silvia.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 08:57:59
From: Phil Paintin
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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Brewer Bob wrote:
> I guess top posting is ok here....on rec.crafts.brewing we bottom
> post...oh well... different culture I guess.
Nope; anarchy
;)
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 13:48:33
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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"Phil Paintin" <charneybarn@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1150127879.766969.309620@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Brewer Bob wrote:
> > I guess top posting is ok here....on rec.crafts.brewing we bottom
> > post...oh well... different culture I guess.
>
> Nope; anarchy
>
> ;)
>
HeY! we aren't that organised.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 15:11:44
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to rant, rant, rant about sub-$500 machine comparisons)
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another redundant boring and repetitive post from big bob.
tsk
Dave
Robert Harmon wrote:
> Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com> wrote in
> news:4a0n8298mcakfutt8hv7b1ic3npujn7t9r@4ax.com:
>
> > "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>What I'm getting at is the sub-$500 Silvia is a fine machine & the PID
> >>probably (certainly?) improves its performance. But we need to
> >>differentiate between the two when doing evaluations of the two &
> >>everything else. Put the PID equipped Silvia up against other $700
> >>plus machines & let the unmodified Silvia compete against the sub-$500
> >>machines.
> >>
> > This has been discussed qutite a bit. What you get with $700+ machines
> > is a dual boiler or a heat exchanger. The benefit is that you get the
> > ability to steam during or immediately after pulling a shot with no
> > waiting, and can go back to pulling shots again. What you don't get in
> > most of them (until you get well into the Thousands$$$) is the
> > temperature stability that Silvia can achieve- at least not without
> > adding a PID... ;-)
> >
> >
> > Randy "there. I said it" G.
> > http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
> >
> >
>
> Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough.
>
> Without a PID the Rancilio Silvia is only marginally better than several
> other sub-$500 machines. It's only after the PID is added & the temperature
> stability you mention is achieved that the Silvia stands head & shoulders
> above the Gaggia lineup for example. Until then any differences are minimal
> & subjective.
>
>
> ;) Robert (Yup pard', you said it - qutite) Harmon
> --
> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
> Remove "Z" to reply via email.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 00:48:14
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to poor daveb, got his head where the sun don't shine once again)
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"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1150150304.424549.5810@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> another redundant boring and repetitive post from big bob.
> tsk
>
>
> Dave
So tell us daveb, what are you looking when you read a post? Intelligence,
wit, humor, knowledge, charm, or what? And why would you expect something of
others that you've absolutely no knowledge of yourself?
You view every poster as fair game for your boorish behavior, you contribute
nothing but discord in this group, and your only claim to fame is to have
installed 50 or so PIDs on Silvia's. So daveb, why do you hang out here with
all the losers you so vociferously dislike? In addition to your obviously
tiny little organ you must have an enormous appetite for self abuse.
Robert (starting to enjoy the ramblings of half-wit daveb) Harmon
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 09:17:32
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to poor daveb, got his head where the sun don't shine once again)
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Wow Will, that was a big step admitting that you have a problem!
Hearing voices, now that's a warning sign that one shouldn't ignore.
Other than the redundant chant of pot...kettle, does the little voice
tell you to do bad things? Bad things like, "Will, this is your inner
voice. Buy Folgers today, it's much better than the swill we had
yesterday" or "Hey buddy, lets go over to Denny's & get us a cup of
their fantastic coffee."?
Not to worry though, I hear they're doing wonderful work with
schizophrenics these days and other than a bit of mindless mumbling & a
stumbling gait, no one would ever know you're being medicated. So,
there's hope for you buddy - don't give up!
Robert (just looking out for the down trodden) Harmon
Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> Why, whenever I read daveb and Robert, do I hear a little voice saying
>
> pot...kettle...pot...kettle...pot...kettle
>
> Probably should up my medication...
>
> Will
>
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 05:21:19
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to poor daveb, got his head where the sun don't shine once again)
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Why, whenever I read daveb and Robert, do I hear a little voice saying
pot...kettle...pot...kettle...pot...kettle
Probably should up my medication...
Will
Robert Harmon wrote:
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150150304.424549.5810@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > another redundant boring and repetitive post from big bob.
> > tsk
> >
> >
> > Dave
>
> So tell us daveb, what are you looking when you read a post? Intelligence,
> wit, humor, knowledge, charm, or what? And why would you expect something of
> others that you've absolutely no knowledge of yourself?
>
> You view every poster as fair game for your boorish behavior, you contribute
> nothing but discord in this group, and your only claim to fame is to have
> installed 50 or so PIDs on Silvia's. So daveb, why do you hang out here with
> all the losers you so vociferously dislike? In addition to your obviously
> tiny little organ you must have an enormous appetite for self abuse.
>
> Robert (starting to enjoy the ramblings of half-wit daveb) Harmon
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 10:12:55
From: CoffeeGreek
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID (changed to poor daveb, got his head where the sun don't shine once again)
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Johnny, let me do it this time:
"Pay no attention, Will. The internet is full of people who feel a
need
to be ugly to others."
;-)
George
(sorry Robert, that's a joke from another thread...)
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 11:54:03
From: jggall01
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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Craig Andrews wrote:
> The one line model kit I won on eBay with a 2nd bid, & the 2 line kit I
> got with a "Buy it Now" option, both on Tues June 6 2006. I just
> received both kits today in the morning mail @ 10:30am. {:-D
Craig -
Thanks for the compliments on the kits. I'm glad you were satisfied.
For the benefit of those who may be reading this thread down the road
sometime, I want to gently correct Craig's timeline. He actually won
the items on Tuesday evening, June 13, then paid within minutes via
PayPal. They were shipped to him on June 15. Delivery to Canada from
the US being what it is, the package unfortunately took 7 days to
arrive ;-( I like for customers to receive items quicker than this,
but I have not completely solved the riddle of international shipping.
Jim
MLG Properties www.mlgp-llc.com
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 15:25:20
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Miss Silvia has PID
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"jggall01" <jggall01@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1151607243.737584.146840@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Craig Andrews wrote:
>> The one line model kit I won on eBay with a 2nd bid, & the 2 line kit
>> I
>> got with a "Buy it Now" option, both on Tues June 6 2006. I just
>> received both kits today in the morning mail @ 10:30am. {:-D
>
> Craig -
>
> Thanks for the compliments on the kits. I'm glad you were satisfied.
>
> For the benefit of those who may be reading this thread down the road
> sometime, I want to gently correct Craig's timeline. He actually won
> the items on Tuesday evening, June 13, then paid within minutes via
> PayPal. They were shipped to him on June 15. Delivery to Canada from
> the US being what it is, the package unfortunately took 7 days to
> arrive ;-( I like for customers to receive items quicker than this,
> but I have not completely solved the riddle of international shipping.
>
> Jim
> MLG Properties www.mlgp-llc.com
>
Hi Jim! Yes I've bought so many things on eBay in the last month that I
confused the dates with other items when I was looking at them in my
folder, to get the dates to post here about it.. I save all my Paypal
emailed receipts & the dates of June 13th is correct.
Super packaging too Jim!! {:-D The shipping time is right on the money
also, VERY good considering that it was over a weekend too!
http://www.usps.com/business/mailingtools/mailingproducts.htm?from=home&page=mailingproductsservices
Cheers!
Sincerely,
Craig "Happier than a pig in sh**!" {;-) Andrews
www.andrewsgreenbeans.com
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