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Date: 01 Aug 2006 16:51:47
From: rockbeer
Subject: Mystery Grinder
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Hi all,
Does any of you kind people know what make/model this grinder is:
http://www.siliconweb.ie/images/grinder.jpg
and is it good value at =A3129 sterling?
It's just been described to me as a 'brand new commercial espresso
grinder'.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Bruce
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 09:33:22
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Mystery Grinder
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rockbeer wrote:
> Hi all,
> Does any of you kind people know what make/model this grinder is:
>
> http://www.siliconweb.ie/images/grinder.jpg
>
> and is it good value at £129 sterling?
>
> It's just been described to me as a 'brand new commercial espresso
> grinder'.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Bruce
>
It looks like a Cunill (sometimes badged as anything from an Iberital
to a Gaggia). Commercial grinder, some are auto, big for domestic
use, seem to retail from £150 - £190. Is the source the UK Ebay
seller (Andrew Porter?) If so, remember that his prices don't
include VAT.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:16:38
From: Ritske Rensma
Subject: Re: Mystery Grinder
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Hi there,
I'm pretty sure alt.coffee member Bill has one of these. His user name
is 'Bill (Adopt)'. You could do a google-search for one of his posts
and e-mail him to see what he says about it? From what I remember, he's
very happy with it, although I also recall him writing that it's a bit
big and industrial-looking... I think the burrs in these grinders are
the same as the burrs in the Cunill Tranquilo, which are widely
available. A lot of people have given good feedback about the Tranquilo
grinders, which, by extension, probably means that this is likely to be
a pretty good grinder as well.
cheers ritske
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 13:04:24
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: Mystery Grinder
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In article <1154502998.062464.295370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
Ritske Rensma <r.rensma@virgin.net > wrote:
> Hi there,
> I'm pretty sure alt.coffee member Bill has one of these. His user name
> is 'Bill (Adopt)'. You could do a google-search for one of his posts
> and e-mail him to see what he says about it? From what I remember, he's
> very happy with it, although I also recall him writing that it's a bit
> big and industrial-looking... I think the burrs in these grinders are
> the same as the burrs in the Cunill Tranquilo, which are widely
> available. A lot of people have given good feedback about the Tranquilo
> grinders, which, by extension, probably means that this is likely to be
> a pretty good grinder as well.
Yep.. thanks Ritske! (Happy to hear from you again)! :))
The CT1 is a commercial grinder, produced by Cunill.
(For Cunill, these days, perhaps read Gaggia Espana??)..
I have found, in practice, that Cunill's CT-1 is a really
excellent grinder, I guess sharing much the same niche as
the very much more expensive Mazzer and other such quality
top end grinders. In shere size, it's not that far different..
Ritske is correct in that it is very 'industrial', about
the size of a Kenwood Chef, or rather the larger Kenwood
Chef Major with attached liqidiser. It is the 'big' cousin
of Cunill's Tranquilo. The lighter, perhaps less 'solid',
Tranquilo shares much of the same components.
Although the CT-1 towers over the almost toy town size of
the smaller variety of domestic general purpose whirly-gig
grinders, should space be available then one soon gets used
to the size - particularly as it does an excellent job and
at such a significantly cheap price. Although cased in
plastic rather than the polished aluminium of a Mazzer
costing several more hundreds of gbp, the plastic seems
to be a solid ABS and is marketted as 'scratch resistant'.
Certainly, a quick wipe seems to return mine to it's initial
pristine condition. (Incidentally, the plastic is only the
casing for heavy metal and alloy working components,
surmounting a motor about the size of those used in some
washing machines)!
In a domestic setting the tall 1kg hopper, which just fits
under the usual wall mounted cabinets overlooking a work-
surface but with a minimum of space to spare for loading,
could well be exchanged for the much shorter, sqat and less
visually imposing 500gm hopper of the Tranquilo - an easy
and cheap exhange, (in GB around 10.00gbp including vat).
They are interchangeable.
Cleaning the grinding discs (hardened and tempered steel
that should, in a domestic setting, last a virtual lifetime),
takes around 5 minutes from start to finish simply by un-
screwing the whole grinding adjustment platter, including
the solidly metal-mounted top burr - and brushing out both
that and the chamber every fortnight or so as advised in
the manual. The grinding discs are commonly available for,
I guess, around 30.00gbp, if ever needed.
The dosing container attached to the front of the solid (heat
sink) grinding chamber is also easily removable for a complete
dismantle and cleaning once in a while. The parts, similarly,
are easily available from a number of suppliers around the
World. The floor of the eight celled CT-1's dosing chamber
is swept very cleanly by the blades - often a cause of initial
concern in otherwise good to high quality grinders that tend
to leave grounds unswept that can become stale...
So far as I know, Cunill commercial grinders are used in many
hotels, restaurants, kitchens, cafes and many of the highest
quality 'mobile' units in, I suppose, just about any country
that has such!
..and of the grind?!
Well - the 'taste test' is all - and, in my limited experience,
perhaps backed by Danny and David (Ross) who introduced me to
the concept of using a commercial quality grinder in a domestic
setting, the Cunill CT-1 certainly passed that test for me.
The grind, for wont of a better description, is fluffy, light
and well-integrated - of a very even consistency and, given
the heavy heat-sink of the grinding chamber and large grinding
discs, importantly remains cool.
The CT-1 grinder simply seems to inject even a staler bean
nearing the end of it's 10-14 day shelf life after roasting
with an added vivacity that can please the palette.
..hope helps.. :))
Bill ZFC
--
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 09:53:16
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Mystery Grinder
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Although the Cunill is a commercial grinder, it is not really in the same
class as a Mazzer, which is a top of the line grinder, while Cunill is at
the bottom of the commercial grinder class - sort of Mercedes vs. Kia. In a
true commercial setting it would not last as long as a Mazzer. Generally
speaking you get what you pay for, and Cunill has taken some shortcuts (and
not just a plastic case) to achieve the price point it is at vs. Mazzer or
other heavier duty, higher priced commercial grinders. That being said, it
is more than sufficient for home use - if you don't mind the size it is a
superior alternative to the "home" grinders such as the Gaggia MDF or Rocky
that sell for around the same price.
"Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com > wrote in message
news:4e50138825adopt@billsimpson.com...
> In article <1154502998.062464.295370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> Ritske Rensma <r.rensma@virgin.net> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>
>> I'm pretty sure alt.coffee member Bill has one of these. His user name
>> is 'Bill (Adopt)'. You could do a google-search for one of his posts
>> and e-mail him to see what he says about it? From what I remember, he's
>> very happy with it, although I also recall him writing that it's a bit
>> big and industrial-looking... I think the burrs in these grinders are
>> the same as the burrs in the Cunill Tranquilo, which are widely
>> available. A lot of people have given good feedback about the Tranquilo
>> grinders, which, by extension, probably means that this is likely to be
>> a pretty good grinder as well.
>
> Yep.. thanks Ritske! (Happy to hear from you again)! :))
>
> The CT1 is a commercial grinder, produced by Cunill.
> (For Cunill, these days, perhaps read Gaggia Espana??)..
>
> I have found, in practice, that Cunill's CT-1 is a really
> excellent grinder, I guess sharing much the same niche as
> the very much more expensive Mazzer and other such quality
> top end grinders. In shere size, it's not that far different..
>
> Ritske is correct in that it is very 'industrial', about
> the size of a Kenwood Chef, or rather the larger Kenwood
> Chef Major with attached liqidiser. It is the 'big' cousin
> of Cunill's Tranquilo. The lighter, perhaps less 'solid',
> Tranquilo shares much of the same components.
>
> Although the CT-1 towers over the almost toy town size of
> the smaller variety of domestic general purpose whirly-gig
> grinders, should space be available then one soon gets used
> to the size - particularly as it does an excellent job and
> at such a significantly cheap price. Although cased in
> plastic rather than the polished aluminium of a Mazzer
> costing several more hundreds of gbp, the plastic seems
> to be a solid ABS and is marketted as 'scratch resistant'.
> Certainly, a quick wipe seems to return mine to it's initial
> pristine condition. (Incidentally, the plastic is only the
> casing for heavy metal and alloy working components,
> surmounting a motor about the size of those used in some
> washing machines)!
>
> In a domestic setting the tall 1kg hopper, which just fits
> under the usual wall mounted cabinets overlooking a work-
> surface but with a minimum of space to spare for loading,
> could well be exchanged for the much shorter, sqat and less
> visually imposing 500gm hopper of the Tranquilo - an easy
> and cheap exhange, (in GB around 10.00gbp including vat).
> They are interchangeable.
>
> Cleaning the grinding discs (hardened and tempered steel
> that should, in a domestic setting, last a virtual lifetime),
> takes around 5 minutes from start to finish simply by un-
> screwing the whole grinding adjustment platter, including
> the solidly metal-mounted top burr - and brushing out both
> that and the chamber every fortnight or so as advised in
> the manual. The grinding discs are commonly available for,
> I guess, around 30.00gbp, if ever needed.
>
> The dosing container attached to the front of the solid (heat
> sink) grinding chamber is also easily removable for a complete
> dismantle and cleaning once in a while. The parts, similarly,
> are easily available from a number of suppliers around the
> World. The floor of the eight celled CT-1's dosing chamber
> is swept very cleanly by the blades - often a cause of initial
> concern in otherwise good to high quality grinders that tend
> to leave grounds unswept that can become stale...
>
> So far as I know, Cunill commercial grinders are used in many
> hotels, restaurants, kitchens, cafes and many of the highest
> quality 'mobile' units in, I suppose, just about any country
> that has such!
>
> ..and of the grind?!
>
> Well - the 'taste test' is all - and, in my limited experience,
> perhaps backed by Danny and David (Ross) who introduced me to
> the concept of using a commercial quality grinder in a domestic
> setting, the Cunill CT-1 certainly passed that test for me.
>
> The grind, for wont of a better description, is fluffy, light
> and well-integrated - of a very even consistency and, given
> the heavy heat-sink of the grinding chamber and large grinding
> discs, importantly remains cool.
>
> The CT-1 grinder simply seems to inject even a staler bean
> nearing the end of it's 10-14 day shelf life after roasting
> with an added vivacity that can please the palette.
>
> ..hope helps.. :))
>
> Bill ZFC
>
> --
> Adoption InterLink UK with -=- http://www.billsimpson.com/
> Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 07:54:41
From: Bertie Doe
Subject: Re: Mystery Grinder
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"rockbeer" wrote in message Hi all,
Does any of you kind people know what make/model this grinder is:
http://www.siliconweb.ie/images/grinder.jpg
and is it good value at £129 sterling?
It's just been described to me as a 'brand new commercial espresso
grinder'.
Thanks for any help you can give.
I spotted it on this site, it's a CT1
http://www.verdecoffee.com/grinders.php?name=CT1%20Grinder or
http://tinyurl.com/nlgvz They describe the grind as 'adjsutable' which isn't
helpfull. You could google alt.coffee archives or try the coffeegeek engine.
Your £129 price is about the same as an Iberital MC2, but dunno who makes
the CT1 - good luck.
Bertie
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 15:21:40
From: rockbeer
Subject: Re: Mystery Grinder
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Thanks everyone for the excellent feedback, especially Bill for the
extremely detailed post.
Sounds like a decent machine and good value - I'm tempted... very
tempted... but what a monster! Not sure I'd have house room for it as
we already have clutter on every conceivable surface and my SO has
threatened to rent a skip and declare a full scale nothing-is-exempt
clear out next time I bring some piece of industrial hardware of
questionable utility into the house.
Think I'll stick with the Innova for now, but cheers again everyone.
Bruce
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