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Date: 06 Sep 2006 00:59:01
From: Mama Bear
Subject: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
better and why?
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 10:44:35
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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I always use the Swiss gold filter in any machine that can take it. I have
several of them that I have used for years. I think the taste is better,
but I can't explain how it is different. I have noticed a paper bag tinge
to coffee brewed with unbleached filters, but it may have been because I was
expecting it.
"Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo > wrote in message
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> Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
> better and why?
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:53:23
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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"Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote in message
news:6qGdnVLcwqpAcWPZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net...
>I always use the Swiss gold filter in any machine that can take it. I
>have several of them that I have used for years. I think the taste is
>better, but I can't explain how it is different. I have noticed a
>paper bag tinge to coffee brewed with unbleached filters, but it may
>have been because I was expecting it.
It's different because you're letting more of the TDS Total Dissolved
Solids through & more of the flavorful coffee oils. Look here please;
http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.swissgold.shtml
Craig.
>
> "Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo> wrote in message
> news:Xns9835F3FD8C5CAMama@216.196.97.142...
>> Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
>> better and why?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:36:40
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote :
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> "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net> wrote in message
> news:6qGdnVLcwqpAcWPZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@news.ruraltel.net...
>>I always use the Swiss gold filter in any machine that can take it. I
>>have several of them that I have used for years. I think the taste is
>>better, but I can't explain how it is different. I have noticed a
>>paper bag tinge to coffee brewed with unbleached filters, but it may
>>have been because I was expecting it.
>
>
> It's different because you're letting more of the TDS Total Dissolved
> Solids through & more of the flavorful coffee oils. Look here please;
> http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.swissgold.shtml
> Craig.
>
Wow, it looks nice. Now the question is whether you can just get them to
fit any old drip maker.
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:38:59
From: Tamzen Cannoy
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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In article <4m8jovF52q3mU1@individual.net >,
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:
>
> It's different because you're letting more of the TDS Total Dissolved
> Solids through & more of the flavorful coffee oils. Look here please;
> http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.swissgold.shtml
> Craig.
Yup and I've discovered those are the flavors I don't like. I don't like
the sludge at the bottom of my pot with a Swiss gold fliter and I don't
like the oiliness of the coffee. I ordered a Swiss Gold filter when I
got my new Technoworn MochaMaster but only used it for a week. It is
hard to clean; you can't just rinse it out or old oils stay on it and I
just didn't like the coffee as much as with unbleached filter papers.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:32:06
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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"Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote :
> I always use the Swiss gold filter in any machine that can take it.
> I have several of them that I have used for years. I think the taste
> is better, but I can't explain how it is different. I have noticed a
> paper bag tinge to coffee brewed with unbleached filters, but it may
> have been because I was expecting it.
Interesting.
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:04:05
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
> better and why?
>
>
>
Both.
I use the "Swiss-gold" permanent filter for my morning pot of
auto-drip, and I use a paper filter with a manual drip into a Thermos
on my boat. I think I like the 'gold better, but its pretty close in
terms of overall enjoyment, if not in flavor.
You can certainly do a side by side taste test. I find that all
styles of brewing can be tasty when very hot water is added to
properly roasted, high quality ground beans. Although they may taste
different, its usually not as great as the difference between coffees.
The choice of method is usually one of convenience - the paper filter
are far easier to deal with on a boat, since there is no disposal and
limited fresh water.
BTW, I'm not a big fan of French Press, though I use one on occasion.
If I had a large service staff, I would likely order vacuum pot each
morning.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:31:38
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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Jeff <jeffmo@foo.net > wrote :
> Mama Bear wrote:
>> Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
>> better and why?
>>
>>
>>
> Both.
>
> I use the "Swiss-gold" permanent filter for my morning pot of
> auto-drip, and I use a paper filter with a manual drip into a Thermos
> on my boat. I think I like the 'gold better, but its pretty close in
> terms of overall enjoyment, if not in flavor.
>
> You can certainly do a side by side taste test.
I wasn't even thinking of that, or aware that it made a taste
difference. I was only wondering about the convenience of it. I'd rather
toss out a paper filter than have to mess with cleaning a wire one.
But many of the coffee makers now use these perm filters. Do they ever
go bad? I'm more concerned about getting stuck a couple of years later,
with a machine that still works, but a worn out basket, and no
replacements being sold for it.
> I find that all
> styles of brewing can be tasty when very hot water is added to
> properly roasted, high quality ground beans. Although they may taste
> different, its usually not as great as the difference between coffees.
> The choice of method is usually one of convenience - the paper filter
> are far easier to deal with on a boat, since there is no disposal and
> limited fresh water.
>
> BTW, I'm not a big fan of French Press, though I use one on occasion.
> If I had a large service staff, I would likely order vacuum pot each
> morning.
Vacuum pot? I'm not familiar with that yet.
I've used the Starbucks press pot to make some nice toddy overnight. I
grind the beans coarse then place them in the press pot with cold water
for 24 hours, then press. Makes nice smooth toddy in regular 2 cup
quantities without all the expense and mess of a toddy machine.
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:47:12
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> Jeff <jeffmo@foo.net> wrote :
>
>> Mama Bear wrote:
>>> Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
>>> better and why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Both.
>>
>> I use the "Swiss-gold" permanent filter for my morning pot of
>> auto-drip, and I use a paper filter with a manual drip into a Thermos
>> on my boat. I think I like the 'gold better, but its pretty close in
>> terms of overall enjoyment, if not in flavor.
>>
>> You can certainly do a side by side taste test.
>
> I wasn't even thinking of that, or aware that it made a taste
> difference. I was only wondering about the convenience of it. I'd rather
> toss out a paper filter than have to mess with cleaning a wire one.
That's why I use paper on the boat, but with a normal kitchen sink
cleaning the gold filter only takes a few seconds.
>
> But many of the coffee makers now use these perm filters. Do they ever
> go bad? I'm more concerned about getting stuck a couple of years later,
> with a machine that still works, but a worn out basket, and no
> replacements being sold for it.
They are commonly available. They last several years, and wear out
gradually; I've never had one fail. Machines that take the basket
normally also take paper, so there's no issue of getting stuck. as far
as I know. If a machine does use a proprietary filter, I'd probably
avoid it; there's plenty of good ones that don't.
>
>> I find that all
>> styles of brewing can be tasty when very hot water is added to
>> properly roasted, high quality ground beans. Although they may taste
>> different, its usually not as great as the difference between coffees.
>> The choice of method is usually one of convenience - the paper filter
>> are far easier to deal with on a boat, since there is no disposal and
>> limited fresh water.
>>
>> BTW, I'm not a big fan of French Press, though I use one on occasion.
>> If I had a large service staff, I would likely order vacuum pot each
>> morning.
>
>
> Vacuum pot? I'm not familiar with that yet.
Two chambers, water in the bottom, grounds in the top. Heat the
bottom so that water rises up, then turn off the heat and the vacuum
sucks down the coffee. The better one have no parts that aren't
glass, so the only taste is pure coffee.
http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.vacuum.shtml
>
> I've used the Starbucks press pot to make some nice toddy overnight. I
> grind the beans coarse then place them in the press pot with cold water
> for 24 hours, then press. Makes nice smooth toddy in regular 2 cup
> quantities without all the expense and mess of a toddy machine.
>
>
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:31:25
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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Jeff <jeffmo@foo.net > wrote :
> Mama Bear wrote:
>> Jeff <jeffmo@foo.net> wrote :
>>
>>> Mama Bear wrote:
>>>> Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which
>>>> was better and why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Both.
>>>
>>> I use the "Swiss-gold" permanent filter for my morning pot of
>>> auto-drip, and I use a paper filter with a manual drip into a
>>> Thermos on my boat. I think I like the 'gold better, but its
>>> pretty close in terms of overall enjoyment, if not in flavor.
>>>
>>> You can certainly do a side by side taste test.
>>
>> I wasn't even thinking of that, or aware that it made a taste
>> difference. I was only wondering about the convenience of it. I'd
>> rather toss out a paper filter than have to mess with cleaning a
>> wire one.
>
> That's why I use paper on the boat, but with a normal kitchen sink
> cleaning the gold filter only takes a few seconds.
>
>>
>> But many of the coffee makers now use these perm filters. Do they
>> ever go bad? I'm more concerned about getting stuck a couple of
>> years later, with a machine that still works, but a worn out basket,
>> and no replacements being sold for it.
>
> They are commonly available. They last several years, and wear out
> gradually; I've never had one fail. Machines that take the basket
> normally also take paper, so there's no issue of getting stuck. as
> far as I know. If a machine does use a proprietary filter, I'd
> probably avoid it; there's plenty of good ones that don't.
>
>
>>
>>> I find that all
>>> styles of brewing can be tasty when very hot water is added to
>>> properly roasted, high quality ground beans. Although they may
>>> taste different, its usually not as great as the difference between
>>> coffees. The choice of method is usually one of convenience - the
>>> paper filter are far easier to deal with on a boat, since there is
>>> no disposal and limited fresh water.
>>>
>>> BTW, I'm not a big fan of French Press, though I use one on
>>> occasion.
>>> If I had a large service staff, I would likely order vacuum pot
>>> each
>>> morning.
>>
>>
>> Vacuum pot? I'm not familiar with that yet.
>
> Two chambers, water in the bottom, grounds in the top. Heat the
> bottom so that water rises up, then turn off the heat and the vacuum
> sucks down the coffee. The better one have no parts that aren't
> glass, so the only taste is pure coffee.
>
> http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.vacuum.shtml
>
Oh heavens, the prices. :)
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 21:30:21
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:59:01 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo >
wrote:
>Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
>better and why?
I use both in my Krups. I find the gold filter yields coffee that is
perhaps a bit brighter in flavor; I use it for my workday morning six
cups.
However, I use paper filters on weekends, when my wife is home and we
make a full pot. This is because the gold filter is a bit shorter, and
with a full load of coffee, the grounds overflow the basket into the
thermal carafe. This never happens with #4 paper filters.
-- Larry
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 21:32:52
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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BTW, I've never had to do any more with my gold filter in four+ years
of use than a twenty-second, hand-held hot water rinse after each pot.
No gunk, looks like new.
-- Larry
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 12:43:26
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:59:01 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo >
wrote:
>Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
>better and why?
I've never noticed the paper flavor that some people do.
I have a permanent gold filter, but after a use or two it had so much
gunk on it that I realized it was just one more thing to wash. And
that it had to be done carefully, too.
I don't need one more thing to take care of, and, as I said, I don't
taste the paper. . .
Alan
==
It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
and let the problem take care of itself.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:32:28
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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I have had the Swiss gold in my main drip machine for at least six years.
It takes maybe fifteen seconds to clean. Thump against the waste basket to
empty the grounds, swish under running hot water, and drop back in place. I
leave it in place when I decalcify the machine maybe twice a year, about as
often as I wash the glass carafe. The rest of the time, I just rinse it in
hot water before filling it with filtered water to brew.
"Alan Moorman" <amoorman@visi.com > wrote in message
news:d32uf29l3e39npv44pegae33r91ttvvpc9@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:59:01 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo>
> wrote:
>
>>Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
>>better and why?
>
> I've never noticed the paper flavor that some people do.
>
> I have a permanent gold filter, but after a use or two it had so much
> gunk on it that I realized it was just one more thing to wash. And
> that it had to be done carefully, too.>
> Alan
>
> ==
>
> It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
> I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
> and let the problem take care of itself.
>
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 07:43:56
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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And the black gunk that sticks in all the tiny crevices doesn't
bother you?
Alan
On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:32:28 -0500, "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net >
wrote:
>I have had the Swiss gold in my main drip machine for at least six years.
>It takes maybe fifteen seconds to clean. Thump against the waste basket to
>empty the grounds, swish under running hot water, and drop back in place. I
>leave it in place when I decalcify the machine maybe twice a year, about as
>often as I wash the glass carafe. The rest of the time, I just rinse it in
>hot water before filling it with filtered water to brew.
>
>"Alan Moorman" <amoorman@visi.com> wrote in message
>news:d32uf29l3e39npv44pegae33r91ttvvpc9@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:59:01 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Have you tried both kinds of filters in drip coffee makers? Which was
>>>better and why?
>>
>> I've never noticed the paper flavor that some people do.
>>
>> I have a permanent gold filter, but after a use or two it had so much
>> gunk on it that I realized it was just one more thing to wash. And
>> that it had to be done carefully, too.>
>> Alan
>>
>> ==
>>
>> It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
>> I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
>> and let the problem take care of itself.
>>
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 08:29:42
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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I just checked my Swiss gold filter carefully. What black gunk? There are
a few discolored spots on the filter, but I don't see any "gunk" as such.
Now, our kitchen water is filtered and very hot. Or perhaps my eyes are not
as sharp as they could be. But ignorance is bliss, and if I can't taste
it -- it won't bother me.
"Alan Moorman" <amoorman@visi.com > wrote in message
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> And the black gunk that sticks in all the tiny crevices doesn't
> bother you?
>
> Alan
>
>
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 08:49:50
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: "Permanent" filters VS paper?
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:29:42 -0500, "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net >
wrote:
>I just checked my Swiss gold filter carefully. What black gunk? There are
>a few discolored spots on the filter, but I don't see any "gunk" as such.
>Now, our kitchen water is filtered and very hot. Or perhaps my eyes are not
>as sharp as they could be. But ignorance is bliss, and if I can't taste
>it -- it won't bother me.
>
Well, I agree, actually -- about that last. I can't taste the paper
filter, so it's easier for me to use.
Alan
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