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Date: 26 Jun 2006 16:37:12
From: Brewer Bob
Subject: Size Questions and Can't we all just get along?
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Ok, I threw that second part in for fun but, really!
Anyway, I've recently stepped up to PID'd Silvia, triple LM basket etc
and trying to perfect my pull on a crotchless for the past few weeks
applying all manner of techniques to get that single ruby stream in
the middle bottom of the pf like I see in espressoporn movies. My
question is this, why does LM do a ridge on the basket? and why oh why
does my Macap only have a 57 mm disc? It all adds up to channeling
around the edge of the basket, I've tried the 4 corners method of
tamping but, at 30-35lbs of tamping pressure each and one in the
middle for good measure, I think I'm turning the dry coffee puck into
concrete before I even pull. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
TIA
Brewer Bob
http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 13:18:59
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Size Questions and Can't we all just get along?
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Marshall wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:37:12 GMT, Brewer Bob
> <bob-girolamo@nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Ok, I threw that second part in for fun but, really!
> >Anyway, I've recently stepped up to PID'd Silvia, triple LM basket etc
> > and trying to perfect my pull on a crotchless for the past few weeks
> >applying all manner of techniques to get that single ruby stream in
> >the middle bottom of the pf like I see in espressoporn movies. My
> >question is this, why does LM do a ridge on the basket? and why oh why
> >does my Macap only have a 57 mm disc? It all adds up to channeling
> >around the edge of the basket, I've tried the 4 corners method of
> >tamping but, at 30-35lbs of tamping pressure each and one in the
> >middle for good measure, I think I'm turning the dry coffee puck into
> >concrete before I even pull. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> >TIA
> >Brewer Bob
> >http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
>
> Try this: http://home-barista.com/weiss-distribution-technique.html.
>
> Alternatively, try a conventional double basket. They are much less
> tricky to get right than a triple.
>
> Marshall
That's right! I forgot about the Weiss Distribution Method. I knew
there was a reason I had yogurt on the list to buy at the grocery
store, but I forgot why and bought a big tub of it instead of the
little one that I needed.
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 22:17:56
From: Brewer Bob
Subject: Re: Size Questions and Can't we all just get along?
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Alan wrote:
>Marshall wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:37:12 GMT, Brewer Bob
>><bob-girolamo@nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>
>>
>>>Ok, I threw that second part in for fun but, really!
>>>Anyway, I've recently stepped up to PID'd Silvia, triple LM basket etc
>>> and trying to perfect my pull on a crotchless for the past few weeks
>>>applying all manner of techniques to get that single ruby stream in
>>>the middle bottom of the pf like I see in espressoporn movies. My
>>>question is this, why does LM do a ridge on the basket? and why oh why
>>>does my Macap only have a 57 mm disc? It all adds up to channeling
>>>around the edge of the basket, I've tried the 4 corners method of
>>>tamping but, at 30-35lbs of tamping pressure each and one in the
>>>middle for good measure, I think I'm turning the dry coffee puck into
>>>concrete before I even pull. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>Brewer Bob
>>>http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
>>>
>>>
>>Try this: http://home-barista.com/weiss-distribution-technique.html.
>>
>>Alternatively, try a conventional double basket. They are much less
>>tricky to get right than a triple.
>>
>>Marshall
>>
>>
>
>That's right! I forgot about the Weiss Distribution Method. I knew
>there was a reason I had yogurt on the list to buy at the grocery
>store, but I forgot why and bought a big tub of it instead of the
>little one that I needed.
>
>
Thanks for the info guys, yeah I had already read that
weiss-distribution technique. I declump most of my ground coffee in the
doser of my Mazzer Mini so, I do see a marked difference in my double
basket. I just happened to get my ridgeless LM doublebasket from UPS
today and it looks like the 57mm disk on my Macap Autotamper fits so
much better on that one. I wish LM would screw up again and do that with
their triple basket. In the mean time, I think I'll do what Alan
suggests and get a 58mm hand tamper to use with the triple basket and
see how it goes.
Thanks for all of the info !
Brewer Bob
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 19:48:28
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Size Questions and Can't we all just get along?
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:37:12 GMT, Brewer Bob
<bob-girolamo@nospam.sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>
>Ok, I threw that second part in for fun but, really!
>Anyway, I've recently stepped up to PID'd Silvia, triple LM basket etc
> and trying to perfect my pull on a crotchless for the past few weeks
>applying all manner of techniques to get that single ruby stream in
>the middle bottom of the pf like I see in espressoporn movies. My
>question is this, why does LM do a ridge on the basket? and why oh why
>does my Macap only have a 57 mm disc? It all adds up to channeling
>around the edge of the basket, I've tried the 4 corners method of
>tamping but, at 30-35lbs of tamping pressure each and one in the
>middle for good measure, I think I'm turning the dry coffee puck into
>concrete before I even pull. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>TIA
>Brewer Bob
>http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
Try this: http://home-barista.com/weiss-distribution-technique.html.
Alternatively, try a conventional double basket. They are much less
tricky to get right than a triple.
Marshall
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 12:01:57
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Size Questions and Can't we all just get along?
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I have a Macap and also use a LM triple basket from time to time (which
I got thrown in when I bought a bottomless portafilter from EPNW), so
maybe I can speak to the issue a bit. The LM triple that I have is
larger diameter by a bit from the ridgeless double that I had been
previously using. The ridge is to keep the basket in the portafilter,
and the ridgeless double solves that problem by using (normally) a
thicker spring rather than using a ridge.
I have no idea why the macap included a 57mm and not a 58, but if you
are referring to the thing that screws to the front of your grinder I
would suggest going to espressoparts.com and buying a real tamper with
a handle on it. I couldn't control anything that I did with the one
that attaches to the Macap. I am not sure why Macap includes it, but
my pours got much much better when I bought a good tamper from EPNW.
People debate on whether convex or flat piston from them is better, but
I think the big improvement came, for me at least, when I got something
substantial that I could hold in my hand and attempt to use in the same
way every time.
Anyway, back to the triple basket thing. I always got donut shaped
pours out of the triple I was attempting to use. They would stick in
the middle and flow around the outside. This is with a good 58mm
tamper. The basket I have seems to be more like 59mm, so I will blame
that for my problems rather than other deficiencies (like my inability
to dose consistently or my finger, which I use to level the basket,
compressing the coffee in the center).
Brewer Bob wrote:
> Ok, I threw that second part in for fun but, really!
> Anyway, I've recently stepped up to PID'd Silvia, triple LM basket etc
> and trying to perfect my pull on a crotchless for the past few weeks
> applying all manner of techniques to get that single ruby stream in
> the middle bottom of the pf like I see in espressoporn movies. My
> question is this, why does LM do a ridge on the basket? and why oh why
> does my Macap only have a 57 mm disc? It all adds up to channeling
> around the edge of the basket, I've tried the 4 corners method of
> tamping but, at 30-35lbs of tamping pressure each and one in the
> middle for good measure, I think I'm turning the dry coffee puck into
> concrete before I even pull. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> TIA
> Brewer Bob
> http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 10:43:49
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Size Questions and Can't we all just get along?
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They key seems to point towards the need for a proper-sized tamper.
What size that needs to be is anyone's guess. As I mentioned in
another thread, it would seem that the LM stepped baskets are made in
'range of tolerances' that would make Fiat proud to also be Italian.
One of mine (an older one) works great with my 58mm aluminum tamper.
The new one is just a little bit narrower and unless I tamp perfectly
centered the tamper hits the step in the basket which was never a
problem with the old one.
Randy "fix it again Tony" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
Brewer Bob <bob-girolamo@nospam.sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>
>
>Ok, I threw that second part in for fun but, really!
>Anyway, I've recently stepped up to PID'd Silvia, triple LM basket etc
> and trying to perfect my pull on a crotchless for the past few weeks
>applying all manner of techniques to get that single ruby stream in
>the middle bottom of the pf like I see in espressoporn movies. My
>question is this, why does LM do a ridge on the basket? and why oh why
>does my Macap only have a 57 mm disc? It all adds up to channeling
>around the edge of the basket, I've tried the 4 corners method of
>tamping but, at 30-35lbs of tamping pressure each and one in the
>middle for good measure, I think I'm turning the dry coffee puck into
>concrete before I even pull. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>TIA
>Brewer Bob
>http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 17:49:50
From: Brewer Bob
Subject: Re: Size Questions and Can't we all just get along?
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Maybe I'm worrying about a solution in need of a problem then. Time to
start more grind adjustments on the MM.
Thanks Randy,
Brewer Bob
Randy G. wrote:
>They key seems to point towards the need for a proper-sized tamper.
>What size that needs to be is anyone's guess. As I mentioned in
>another thread, it would seem that the LM stepped baskets are made in
>'range of tolerances' that would make Fiat proud to also be Italian.
>One of mine (an older one) works great with my 58mm aluminum tamper.
>The new one is just a little bit narrower and unless I tamp perfectly
>centered the tamper hits the step in the basket which was never a
>problem with the old one.
>
>
> Randy "fix it again Tony" G.
>http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>
>Brewer Bob <bob-girolamo@nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Ok, I threw that second part in for fun but, really!
>>Anyway, I've recently stepped up to PID'd Silvia, triple LM basket etc
>> and trying to perfect my pull on a crotchless for the past few weeks
>>applying all manner of techniques to get that single ruby stream in
>>the middle bottom of the pf like I see in espressoporn movies. My
>>question is this, why does LM do a ridge on the basket? and why oh why
>>does my Macap only have a 57 mm disc? It all adds up to channeling
>>around the edge of the basket, I've tried the 4 corners method of
>>tamping but, at 30-35lbs of tamping pressure each and one in the
>>middle for good measure, I think I'm turning the dry coffee puck into
>>concrete before I even pull. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>TIA
>>Brewer Bob
>>http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo
>>
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