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Date: 18 Aug 2006 17:02:28
From: Fandango .
Subject: hot air popper question
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Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
Is my reasoning flawed?
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 21:05:28
From: wes
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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Some people (myself included) find a properly sized metal vegetable can
and shove it down into the top of the roast chamber, which keeps the
heat in and prevents the beans from flying out. Seeems to work really
well for me...
Wes
Alice Faber wrote:
> In article <20390-44E62AE4-11@asg-storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
> Matt308@webtv.net (Fandango .) wrote:
>
> > Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
> > the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
> > a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
> > roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
> > Is my reasoning flawed?
>
> I've been using a hot air popper exclusively for about 2 1/2 years now.
> Some roasts have had better results than others, and I can't always
> discern a reason. But, with one exception, the results have been, at
> least, quite good (not as good as the freshest commercially roasted
> beans, but better than virtually all undated commercial beans, and
> substantially better than some). The one exception: the one roast in
> which I intermittently removed the butter tray. My motivation was to get
> a really good look at the color changes in the beans, but the resulting
> roast ended up positively Folgersesque. Coincidence? Maybe...but I don't
> really care to repeat the experiment.
>
> --
> AF
> "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
> --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 01:14:50
From: Alice Faber
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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In article <1155960328.184168.132970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"wes" <wnance3@rochester.rr.com > wrote:
>
> Alice Faber wrote:
> > In article <20390-44E62AE4-11@asg-storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
> > Matt308@webtv.net (Fandango .) wrote:
> >
> > > Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
> > > the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
> > > a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
> > > roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
> > > Is my reasoning flawed?
> >
> > I've been using a hot air popper exclusively for about 2 1/2 years now.
> > Some roasts have had better results than others, and I can't always
> > discern a reason. But, with one exception, the results have been, at
> > least, quite good (not as good as the freshest commercially roasted
> > beans, but better than virtually all undated commercial beans, and
> > substantially better than some). The one exception: the one roast in
> > which I intermittently removed the butter tray. My motivation was to get
> > a really good look at the color changes in the beans, but the resulting
> > roast ended up positively Folgersesque. Coincidence? Maybe...but I don't
> > really care to repeat the experiment.
> >
> Some people (myself included) find a properly sized metal vegetable can
> and shove it down into the top of the roast chamber, which keeps the
> heat in and prevents the beans from flying out. Seeems to work really
> well for me...
>
Ah, but to do that, I would have to be willing to eat canned vegetables.
It's fresh only, for me.
--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 21:20:30
From: Vicki Robinson
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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In a previous article, Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com > said:
>In article <1155960328.184168.132970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> "wes" <wnance3@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some people (myself included) find a properly sized metal vegetable can
>> and shove it down into the top of the roast chamber, which keeps the
>> heat in and prevents the beans from flying out. Seeems to work really
>> well for me...
>
>Ah, but to do that, I would have to be willing to eat canned vegetables.
>It's fresh only, for me.
Or, willing to dump $1.29-worth of canned carrots on to the compost
pile.
Vicki
--
"Penetrating so many secrets we cease to believe in the unknowable.
But there it sits, nevertheless, calmly licking its chops."
- H. L. Mencken
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:52:42
From:
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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In alt.coffee, wes <wnance3@rochester.rr.com > wrote:
> Some people (myself included) find a properly sized metal vegetable can
> and shove it down into the top of the roast chamber, which keeps the
> heat in and prevents the beans from flying out. Seeems to work really
> well for me...
A properly sized hurricane lamp globe works even better, because it has a
bulge which is designed to let hot gasses expand.
The beans fall back down at the bulge, instead of having the potential to
shoot out of the cylindar like in a cannon.
And being clear, it is easy to see what is happening inside.
They are available in various sizes at Home Depot, for about $3 or so.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 19:29:47
From: Alice Faber
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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In article <20390-44E62AE4-11@asg-storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net >,
Matt308@webtv.net (Fandango .) wrote:
> Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
> the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
> a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
> roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
> Is my reasoning flawed?
I've been using a hot air popper exclusively for about 2 1/2 years now.
Some roasts have had better results than others, and I can't always
discern a reason. But, with one exception, the results have been, at
least, quite good (not as good as the freshest commercially roasted
beans, but better than virtually all undated commercial beans, and
substantially better than some). The one exception: the one roast in
which I intermittently removed the butter tray. My motivation was to get
a really good look at the color changes in the beans, but the resulting
roast ended up positively Folgersesque. Coincidence? Maybe...but I don't
really care to repeat the experiment.
--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:49:56
From:
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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In alt.coffee, Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com > wrote:
> But, with one exception, the results have been, at
> least, quite good
There you go.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 14:56:44
From: abimer
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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Well, there are probably better ways to control the temperature, such
as using a variac to control the heating element, but this is a
relatively expensive measure for a relatively cheap roasting method.
I understand that if you take the butter tray off, this can lead to
uneven temperatures where the hot air mixes with the much cooler
external air, not far from the top of the bean mass. This might also
get worse as the roast progresses as the beans expand in size, and is
especially true on a cold day.
Other methods are probably more suited to longer roasts, but if you
don't mind experimenting with a half cup of beans, there's no reason
not to try it.
Paul.
Fandango . wrote:
> Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
> the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
> a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
> roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
> Is my reasoning flawed?
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:48:41
From:
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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In alt.coffee, abimer <paumcb12@gmail.com > wrote:
> Well, there are probably better ways to control the temperature, such
> as using a variac to control the heating element, but this is a
> relatively expensive measure for a relatively cheap roasting method.
Additionally, it affects the fan speed, so in trying to turn down the
heater for less heat, you also turn down the fan, which gives a higher
temperature.
> I understand that if you take the butter tray off, this can lead to
> uneven temperatures where the hot air mixes with the much cooler
> external air, not far from the top of the bean mass. This might also
> get worse as the roast progresses as the beans expand in size, and is
> especially true on a cold day.
It depends on the overall design of the popper.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 13:00:50
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com > wrote in message
news:ecf90p$f3$4@reader2.panix.com...
> In alt.coffee, abimer <paumcb12@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, there are probably better ways to control the temperature, such
> > as using a variac to control the heating element, but this is a
> > relatively expensive measure for a relatively cheap roasting method.
>
> Additionally, it affects the fan speed, so in trying to turn down the
> heater for less heat, you also turn down the fan, which gives a higher
> temperature.
ymmv::
"a variac to control the heating element"
afaik that doesn't affect the fan speed except as it may reduce the line
voltage from load changes,
unless of course you use it to conrol both ;-) but then that wouldn't be "a
variac to control the heating element"
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 05:52:16
From: wascher@gmail.com
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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Leaving the top off decreases the resistance to air flow, causes more
air to flow from the popper up through the bean mass at higher
velocity. This would probably reduce mixing with external air. Better
mixing of the beans would also tend to even the roast.
It reduces temperatures by reducing the temperatre of air from the
popper & reduciing the time the air is in contact with the beans.
I use this method sometimes. My Poppery 2 rarely requires this, though
where I roast the popper is at the end of a long extension cord.
However, my original Poppery runs very hot, and I often leave the
butter dish half off (there's a thermometer stuck through the middle
which keeps the top from sliding off) to reduce temperatures.
As oatside air temperatures drop (I roast outside) I put the top back
on.
abimer wrote:
> Well, there are probably better ways to control the temperature, such
> as using a variac to control the heating element, but this is a
> relatively expensive measure for a relatively cheap roasting method.
>
> I understand that if you take the butter tray off, this can lead to
> uneven temperatures where the hot air mixes with the much cooler
> external air, not far from the top of the bean mass. This might also
> get worse as the roast progresses as the beans expand in size, and is
> especially true on a cold day.
>
> Other methods are probably more suited to longer roasts, but if you
> don't mind experimenting with a half cup of beans, there's no reason
> not to try it.
>
> Paul.
>
>
> Fandango . wrote:
> > Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
> > the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
> > a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
> > roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
> > Is my reasoning flawed?
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 20:02:54
From:
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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bizbee wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:02:28 -0400 in
> <20390-44E62AE4-11@asg-storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
> Matt308@webtv.net (Fandango .) graced the world with this thought:
>
> >Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
> >the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
> >a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
> >roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
> >Is my reasoning flawed?
>
> I don't think your reasoning is particularly flawed, however, the
> chaff is going to be blowing out the top of that sucker...
I use the can to extend the roasting chamber and a small strainer with
the handle cut off to control the chaff.Works great ,and I roast in the
kitchen sink [garbage disposal side].I also roast well into second
crack for espresso.A hot air popper is quite capable of roasting the
beans to charcoal too if your not carefull.Just have to figure out a
few variables .....
Earl D...................
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 20:36:41
From: bizbee
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:02:28 -0400 in
<20390-44E62AE4-11@asg-storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net >,
Matt308@webtv.net (Fandango .) graced the world with this thought:
>Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
>the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
>a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
>roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
>Is my reasoning flawed?
I don't think your reasoning is particularly flawed, however, the
chaff is going to be blowing out the top of that sucker...
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:46:45
From:
Subject: Re: hot air popper question
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In alt.coffee, Fandango . <Matt308@webtv.net > wrote:
> Most places say if you're using a hot air popper to roast with to leave
> the butter melting tray on. Most places also say a hot air popper roasts
> a bit too fast. I'd think if you removed the butter tray it'd reduce the
> roast temperature and prolong the roast 2 or 3 min which would be good.
> Is my reasoning flawed?
You are thinking along the correct lines.
But you need to be more specific. Get a hot air popper and give things a
try.
The easiest way to extend the roast is to slightly open some of the vent
holes, which will make the air go faster, which will reduce the
temperature of the air. You can accomplish this by using smaller batches
too.
Each popper varies from the others. If you want bigger batches to last
longer, open up the vents. If you want a shorter roast, use more beans.
Some folks love to find the stasis point, where the amount of beans
controls the length of time, resulting in a no-worry process of
perfection.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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