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Date: 16 Jun 2006 18:05:03
From:
Subject: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Hi, I am not a coffee snob or aficionado. But I've had decent coffee
and lousy coffee from auto drip machines. The best that I've had was
from the free Gevalia machine. I had a Black and Decker that was OK
but it seemed that there was a "plasticy" quality to the taste. There
were some other cheap $20 brands that were terrible and unusable.
Anyway, I broke the glass carafe from the Gevalia yesterday and I was
informed by Gevalia that this model is no longer supported and there
are no longer any replacement carafes for this unit.

So I need to buy a new machine. I've spent more time than I should
have searching opinions and there is no unilateral consensus on what's
good and what's not.

I don't need a timer or any other add on feature. I drink two cups of
Folgers, Maxwell House, or whatever else is on sale, in the morning,
and once I'm awake, that's the end of my coffee involvement.

So I'm appealing to the experts here:

What do you recommend in the $50-$70 range that's considered a good
machine? (and if i break the glass carafe, a replacement is
available.)

Thanks,
Jeff

Date: 16 Jun 2006 18:52:21
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:

> Hi, I am not a coffee snob or aficionado. But I've had decent coffee
> and lousy coffee from auto drip machines. The best that I've had was
> from the free Gevalia machine. I had a Black and Decker that was OK
> but it seemed that there was a "plasticy" quality to the taste. There
> were some other cheap $20 brands that were terrible and unusable.
> Anyway, I broke the glass carafe from the Gevalia yesterday and I was
> informed by Gevalia that this model is no longer supported and there
> are no longer any replacement carafes for this unit.
>
> So I need to buy a new machine. I've spent more time than I should
> have searching opinions and there is no unilateral consensus on what's
> good and what's not.
>
> I don't need a timer or any other add on feature. I drink two cups of
> Folgers, Maxwell House, or whatever else is on sale, in the morning,
> and once I'm awake, that's the end of my coffee involvement.
>
> So I'm appealing to the experts here:
>
> What do you recommend in the $50-$70 range that's considered a good
> machine? (and if i break the glass carafe, a replacement is
> available.)

For 2 cups? A Melitta funnel and a kettle work fine, in fact that is one of
the better options for quality. Cost you about 5 bucks.

The Presto Scandinavian is quite well regarded for brew quality but not so
much so for durability or quality control--you can get it for 35 bucks from
Costco which IIRC has an LL Bean style "satisfaction guaranteed" warranty.
It's one of three automatic drip machines that are known to maintain what
is generally considered to be the proper brewing temperature, the other two
being the Melitta Clarity which seems to be out of production and the
Technivorm, which is way out of your stated price range.

Note that the Presto should have a few carafes of water run through it and
maybe a vinegar flush and air out a bit before you first use it--they seem
to have some odor from the factory that usually goes away but every once in
a while somebody seems to get a bad one.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Date: 16 Jun 2006 23:08:49
From:
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:
> Hi, I am not a coffee snob or aficionado. But I've had decent coffee
> and lousy coffee from auto drip machines.

There are 2 that I have respect for:

The Newco OCS-8 and the dutch made Technivorm.

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Date: 16 Jun 2006 22:55:36
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Howdy Jeff,
If you can locate one the Melitta Clarity (no longer in production) is a
true prize winner. Look on eBay and search Google and snap it up when you
see one (they go very fast). These have been favorably compared to machines
costing hundreds more.

Another great coffee maker is a vacuum pot. I recommend the purchase of a
vintage Silex or Cory vac pot because they're made of heavier glass than
Bodum, Cona, & other current production model vac pots. Look for one that
has the Silex filter with a spring attached (superior to the Cory filter
rod). Get one without the hot plate unless you find your new vac pot
attractive enough to display, then do get the heating element - they add a
lot to the appearance of the pot.

Good luck,
Robert (nature may abhor vacuums but coffee loves it) Harmon

<jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com > wrote in message
news:g4a692t4qjt4ammrd9aieu5n48u56llig5@4ax.com...
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> So I'm appealing to the experts here:
>
> What do you recommend in the $50-$70 range that's considered a good
> machine? (and if i break the glass carafe, a replacement is
> available.)
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff

Date: 16 Jun 2006 18:52:55
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:05:03 -0400, jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:

>I don't need a timer or any other add on feature. I drink two cups of
>Folgers, Maxwell House, or whatever else is on sale, in the morning,
>and once I'm awake, that's the end of my coffee involvement.
>
>So I'm appealing to the experts here:
>
>What do you recommend in the $50-$70 range that's considered a good
>machine? (and if i break the glass carafe, a replacement is
>available.)

1. Don't get a glass carafe -- get a thermal carafe, and make your second cup
taste decent (if it can from those coffees -- {shudder}).

2. Buy a base 8- or 10-cup machine with thermal carafe from Krups or Braun,
whatever you can find cheapest at your local discount store, Amazon, etc.

3. Enjoy.

-- Larry (no, thanks -- I'll brew my own...)

Date: 16 Jun 2006 22:11:45
From:
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Thanks for your suggestions.
Actually the cheap aluminum stovetop expresso makers make excellent
coffee.
Like this...
http://www.ekitchengadgets.com/cualstesma.html
I have a Melitta manual drip, which is excellent as well. I just
don't like the idea of drinking boiled water that passed through a
soft plastic container.

I'll digest the situation over a cup and make a purchase, and then
likely regret it after I see something else that i should have
selected... as is usually the case.

Jeff

Date: 16 Jun 2006 20:17:18
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:

>Thanks for your suggestions.
>Actually the cheap aluminum stovetop expresso makers make excellent
>coffee.
>Like this...
>http://www.ekitchengadgets.com/cualstesma.html
>I have a Melitta manual drip, which is excellent as well. I just
>don't like the idea of drinking boiled water that passed through a
>soft plastic container.
>
Well, you got problems then. I would put a buck down saying that ANY
"inexpensive" (and virtually all expensive) drip machines will have
all sorts of plastics in them, from the water tank all the way through
the filter holder.

How about poutting a paper filter in a large, stainless steel funnel
and pouring water from a stainless or glass kettle through it
manually? Loses a lot of the convenience, but to avoid plastic is
going to be tough.

>I'll digest the situation over a cup and make a purchase, and then
>likely regret it after I see something else that i should have
>selected... as is usually the case.
>
Just about guaranteed... ;-)

Of course, you could get lucky and make frineds with a locvely elderly
widow living with her daughter and son in law, give her a pound or two
of fresh, home roasted coffee, then have her offer you a virtually
unused Pyrex brand glass vac pot complete with spare cloth filters and
a Cona rod all for $5, and she took a check. happened to me today...!

And if I had made up that story, it would have been twin, 30 year old
cheerleaders, naked, with an LM.

Randy "no, the old lady wasn't naked either" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

Date: 17 Jun 2006 04:33:16
From: Steve
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:17:18 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>then have her offer you a virtually
>unused Pyrex brand glass vac pot complete with spare cloth filters and
>a Cona rod all for $5, and she took a check

Doesn't Alzheimer's make for some wonderful bargains.
(Oh don't, I'm just kidding.)

Date: 17 Jun 2006 01:03:56
From:
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

>How about poutting a paper filter in a large, stainless steel funnel
>and pouring water from a stainless or glass kettle through it
>manually? Loses a lot of the convenience, but to avoid plastic is
>going to be tough.
>

How about an old stove top drip appliance, such as this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4469621224&fromMakeTrack=true

Seriously, what is your opinion of these vintage coffee makers?

Date: 16 Jun 2006 23:04:10
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:

>
>>How about poutting a paper filter in a large, stainless steel funnel
>>and pouring water from a stainless or glass kettle through it
>>manually? Loses a lot of the convenience, but to avoid plastic is
>>going to be tough.
>>
>
>How about an old stove top drip appliance, such as this:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4469621224&fromMakeTrack=true
>
>Seriously, what is your opinion of these vintage coffee makers?

It is called a "Dripolator."
http://search.ebay.com/dripolator_W0QQfromZR40

The coffee goes in an upper basket and hot water is poured through.
Might as well save the aluminum taste and just get a pour-over or
press pot, or maybe one of the ceramic ones:
eBay Item number: 7423731441

Seriously- single cup servings? Ease of use? Fast? Economical? Good
tasting coffee? Fairly wide range of parameters? Aeropress. If you
have a decent grinder it works great.

Randy "ya- I got one of those as well, but don't use it" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

Date: 17 Jun 2006 06:40:35
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Date: 17 Jun 2006 12:38:32
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid > wrote in message
news:e70ncd0rhs@news2.newsguy.com...
> jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:

> Take a look at the bottom of
> <http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.shtml#sw-g.1cup-carafe> and
> you'll
> find a porcelain manual drip.
>
> Or you could go with the stovetop Santos
> <http://www.wholelattelove.com/Bodum/santos_gift.cfm?cid=1#accessories>

Note to OP:
Don't buy one of the current lot of vac pots. They're too fragile & besides,
they're butt ugly.

Instead follow this link to auctions on eBay for collectable vac pots:
http://tinyurl.com/hwb8t, or this one for all vac pots:
http://tinyurl.com/kh7z3. You'll get a better looking pot by going with
Silex or Cory & you'll get a great cup of coffee that's touched nothing but
glass!

Robert (life's too short to drink coffee made in ugly pots) Harmon

Date: 20 Jun 2006 15:41:08
From:
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:40:35 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid > wrote:

>
>Take a look at the bottom of
><http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.shtml#sw-g.1cup-carafe> and you'll
>find a porcelain manual drip.
>
Only the small #1 size.... unfortunately.

Date: 17 Jun 2006 05:30:14
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Guys, here is a gentleman who drinks dreck coffee and is happy with it,
who simply wants a durable, inexpensive machine to brew his Folgers
and, for whatever reason, doesn't like plastic. And here we are
telling him about Technivorms and grinders and vacuum pots.

Back to reality. The Melitta plastic dripper works well for lots of
people who drink good coffee. Most people say it does not taste
plasticky. Or you can get the porcelain one that has been recommended.
Or you could get an Aeropress...or a regular press. Any of those is
cheap, easy, will make good coffee.

Thing is, if you buy one of these and then you TRY better coffee...you
know what is likely to happen? The Folgers won't taste so hotsy-totsy
anymore. And then you'll be on your way to being just as obsessed and
insane as the rest of us. That's how it happens.

My own advice would be a Technivorm and an inexpensive burr grinder but
that is me, not you. Get something cheap that works....which means NOT
a Mr. Coffee or others of that ilk. And then, just for the heck of it,
go to a local roaster and get them to grind you some freshly roasted
coffee. Take it home and try it. You may be really surprised.

Will
"The human capacity for becoming a coffee nut is nearly unbounded."

Date: 17 Jun 2006 19:46:15
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:

> Guys, here is a gentleman who drinks dreck coffee and is happy with it,
> who simply wants a durable, inexpensive machine to brew his Folgers
> and, for whatever reason, doesn't like plastic. And here we are
> telling him about Technivorms and grinders and vacuum pots.
>
> Back to reality. The Melitta plastic dripper works well for lots of
> people who drink good coffee. Most people say it does not taste
> plasticky. Or you can get the porcelain one that has been recommended.
> Or you could get an Aeropress...or a regular press. Any of those is
> cheap, easy, will make good coffee.

He said that he _has_ the plastic Melitta then objected to its being
plastic. This suggests that it is not the taste that is at issue but some
perception of his regarding plastic. Finding a pot in his price range that
has no plastic in contact with the coffee or water during any stage of the
process and that can work reasonably well with consumer canned coffee is
not all that easy.

> Thing is, if you buy one of these and then you TRY better coffee...you
> know what is likely to happen? The Folgers won't taste so hotsy-totsy
> anymore. And then you'll be on your way to being just as obsessed and
> insane as the rest of us. That's how it happens.
>
> My own advice would be a Technivorm and an inexpensive burr grinder but
> that is me, not you. Get something cheap that works....which means NOT
> a Mr. Coffee or others of that ilk. And then, just for the heck of it,
> go to a local roaster and get them to grind you some freshly roasted
> coffee. Take it home and try it. You may be really surprised.
>
> Will
> "The human capacity for becoming a coffee nut is nearly unbounded."

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Date: 17 Jun 2006 21:36:42
From:
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:46:15 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid > wrote:

>Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Guys, here is a gentleman who drinks dreck coffee and is happy with it,
>> who simply wants a durable, inexpensive machine to brew his Folgers
>> and, for whatever reason, doesn't like plastic. And here we are
>> telling him about Technivorms and grinders and vacuum pots.
>>
>> Back to reality. The Melitta plastic dripper works well for lots of
>> people who drink good coffee. Most people say it does not taste
>> plasticky. Or you can get the porcelain one that has been recommended.
>> Or you could get an Aeropress...or a regular press. Any of those is
>> cheap, easy, will make good coffee.
>
>He said that he _has_ the plastic Melitta then objected to its being
>plastic. This suggests that it is not the taste that is at issue but some
>perception of his regarding plastic. Finding a pot in his price range that
>has no plastic in contact with the coffee or water during any stage of the
>process and that can work reasonably well with consumer canned coffee is
>not all that easy.

Hi again. This morning I used the manual drip Melitta, and actually
quite enjoyed it. I did perceive a slight platicky overtone, maybe
it's my imagination. The only criticism that i have of it, compared
with the auto drip, is that the taste is a bit thinner. Not "diner
strength." It's likely that I need to bring the water closer to the
boil point for a richer cup. But overall, nice.

Date: 17 Jun 2006 22:25:54
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:

>
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:46:15 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Guys, here is a gentleman who drinks dreck coffee and is happy with it,
>>> who simply wants a durable, inexpensive machine to brew his Folgers
>>> and, for whatever reason, doesn't like plastic. And here we are
>>> telling him about Technivorms and grinders and vacuum pots.
>>>
>>> Back to reality. The Melitta plastic dripper works well for lots of
>>> people who drink good coffee. Most people say it does not taste
>>> plasticky. Or you can get the porcelain one that has been recommended.
>>> Or you could get an Aeropress...or a regular press. Any of those is
>>> cheap, easy, will make good coffee.
>>
>>He said that he _has_ the plastic Melitta then objected to its being
>>plastic. This suggests that it is not the taste that is at issue but some
>>perception of his regarding plastic. Finding a pot in his price range
>>that has no plastic in contact with the coffee or water during any stage
>>of the process and that can work reasonably well with consumer canned
>>coffee is not all that easy.
>
>
> Hi again. This morning I used the manual drip Melitta, and actually
> quite enjoyed it. I did perceive a slight platicky overtone, maybe
> it's my imagination. The only criticism that i have of it, compared
> with the auto drip, is that the taste is a bit thinner. Not "diner
> strength." It's likely that I need to bring the water closer to the
> boil point for a richer cup. But overall, nice.

In an ideal world you're shooting for 200 degrees and then adjust the
strength with quantity of coffee.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Date: 17 Jun 2006 22:13:50
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP@ny.r.com wrote:

>
>
>Hi again. This morning I used the manual drip Melitta, and actually
>quite enjoyed it. I did perceive a slight platicky overtone, maybe
>it's my imagination. The only criticism that i have of it, compared
>with the auto drip, is that the taste is a bit thinner. Not "diner
>strength." It's likely that I need to bring the water closer to the
>boil point for a richer cup. But overall, nice.
>

Grind a bit finer
&/or
Use more coffee
&/or
Use less water

Randy "no one said it was easy" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

Date: 17 Jun 2006 23:02:35
From: nimbus
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

My Presto Scandinavian has been decent. I had issues with plastic
smell/taste initially, but it is gone. Now it provides an excellent pot
of coffee.

I also have a 64 oz thermos, (thermos brand, ss. work duty , I like it
a LOT), that I empty into upon brewing.

I've had it malfunction two times, with minor overflows, could have
been user error (not sure), but we're talking a month or two of HEAVY
use.

I think it is a good beast. Order from costco if you can...

nimbus

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP wrote:
> Hi, I am not a coffee snob or aficionado. But I've had decent coffee
> and lousy coffee from auto drip machines. The best that I've had was
> from the free Gevalia machine. I had a Black and Decker that was OK
> but it seemed that there was a "plasticy" quality to the taste. There
> were some other cheap $20 brands that were terrible and unusable.
> Anyway, I broke the glass carafe from the Gevalia yesterday and I was
> informed by Gevalia that this model is no longer supported and there
> are no longer any replacement carafes for this unit.
>
> So I need to buy a new machine. I've spent more time than I should
> have searching opinions and there is no unilateral consensus on what's
> good and what's not.
>
> I don't need a timer or any other add on feature. I drink two cups of
> Folgers, Maxwell House, or whatever else is on sale, in the morning,
> and once I'm awake, that's the end of my coffee involvement.
>
> So I'm appealing to the experts here:
>
> What do you recommend in the $50-$70 range that's considered a good
> machine? (and if i break the glass carafe, a replacement is
> available.)
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff

Date: 19 Jun 2006 09:14:32
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Phil Paintin wrote:
> If you don't like the idea of hot water + plastic then you probably
> shouldn't like the idea of hot water + aluminium either -- it gives a
> bitter taste and might (allegedly) contribute to Alzheimer's.
> Stainless steel moka pots are available, but cost.

The urban legend concerning the role of aluminum in dementia dates to
the days when patients in renal failure were given very large amounts
of aluminum hydroxide. Because aluminum cannot be removed by dialysis,
the level of aluminum in the body would build up resulting, in a few
cases, in what was termed "aluminum dementia." Alas, it was
irreversible.

Dialysis patients no longer receive mega doses of aluminum-contining
antacids and the problem has disappeared.

As to ingesting enough aluminum through the use of aluminum food/drink
utensils, well, as a forensic pathologist friend of mine observed,
"Maybe....if you ground the aluminum pot to powder and consumed a
tablespoon or so a day."

So...no worries about aluminum cookware.

Will
"The human capacity to worry about weird stuff is nearly boundless."

Date: 19 Jun 2006 12:40:32
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Phil Paintin wrote:
>> If you don't like the idea of hot water + plastic then you probably
>> shouldn't like the idea of hot water + aluminium either -- it gives a
>> bitter taste and might (allegedly) contribute to Alzheimer's.
>> Stainless steel moka pots are available, but cost.
>
> The urban legend concerning the role of aluminum in dementia dates to
> the days when patients in renal failure were given very large amounts
> of aluminum hydroxide. Because aluminum cannot be removed by dialysis,
> the level of aluminum in the body would build up resulting, in a few
> cases, in what was termed "aluminum dementia." Alas, it was
> irreversible.
>
> Dialysis patients no longer receive mega doses of aluminum-contining
> antacids and the problem has disappeared.
>
> As to ingesting enough aluminum through the use of aluminum food/drink
> utensils, well, as a forensic pathologist friend of mine observed,
> "Maybe....if you ground the aluminum pot to powder and consumed a
> tablespoon or so a day."
>
> So...no worries about aluminum cookware.

Wasn't there a study that showed a link between aluminum and Alzheimers,
which study could not be successfully replicated?

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Date: 19 Jun 2006 08:03:21
From: Phil Paintin
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP wrote:
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> Actually the cheap aluminum stovetop expresso makers make excellent
> coffee.
> Like this...
> http://www.ekitchengadgets.com/cualstesma.html
> I have a Melitta manual drip, which is excellent as well. I just
> don't like the idea of drinking boiled water that passed through a
> soft plastic container.
>

If you don't like the idea of hot water + plastic then you probably
shouldn't like the idea of hot water + aluminium either -- it gives a
bitter taste and might (allegedly) contribute to Alzheimer's.
Stainless steel moka pots are available, but cost.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 08:33:26
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

"Phil Paintin" <charneybarn@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP wrote:
>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>> Actually the cheap aluminum stovetop expresso makers make excellent
>> coffee.
>> Like this...
>> http://www.ekitchengadgets.com/cualstesma.html
>> I have a Melitta manual drip, which is excellent as well. I just
>> don't like the idea of drinking boiled water that passed through a
>> soft plastic container.
>>
>
>If you don't like the idea of hot water + plastic then you probably
>shouldn't like the idea of hot water + aluminium either -- it gives a
>bitter taste and might (allegedly) contribute to Alzheimer's.
>Stainless steel moka pots are available, but cost.

Some samples, all in Stainless Steel:

eBay 4467146610
4 Cup Bialetti Venus
$36 shipped

eBay 4453344502
Bialetti Venus 4 Cup
+/- $42 shipped

Bialetti Venus 4 Cup
http://www.laprimashops.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=277
$29 + S/H

Bialetti Class 6 Cup
http://www.laprimashops.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=12
$39 + S/H

Randy "rust-free" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

Date: 19 Jun 2006 12:56:05
From:
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Thanks - the Bialetti looks great. I have the cheaper aluminum
stove top expresso maker, and this looks like a real treat. I'm going
to order the 4 cup version.

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:33:26 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>"Phil Paintin" <charneybarn@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP wrote:
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>> Actually the cheap aluminum stovetop expresso makers make excellent
>>> coffee.
>>> Like this...
>>> http://www.ekitchengadgets.com/cualstesma.html
>>> I have a Melitta manual drip, which is excellent as well. I just
>>> don't like the idea of drinking boiled water that passed through a
>>> soft plastic container.
>>>
>>
>>If you don't like the idea of hot water + plastic then you probably
>>shouldn't like the idea of hot water + aluminium either -- it gives a
>>bitter taste and might (allegedly) contribute to Alzheimer's.
>>Stainless steel moka pots are available, but cost.
>
>Some samples, all in Stainless Steel:
>
>eBay 4467146610
>4 Cup Bialetti Venus
>$36 shipped
>
>eBay 4453344502
>Bialetti Venus 4 Cup
>+/- $42 shipped
>
>Bialetti Venus 4 Cup
>http://www.laprimashops.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=277
>$29 + S/H
>
>Bialetti Class 6 Cup
>http://www.laprimashops.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=12
>$39 + S/H
>
>
> Randy "rust-free" G.
>http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>

Date: 20 Jun 2006 06:41:17
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

As any of the researchers here will confirm, one can find a study
somewhere linking anything to anything. One has to judge based on the
quality of the research and the preponderance of the evidence. There
is no body of credible evidence that links the ingestion of aluminum
from the use of cookware to the development of any dementing process,
Alzheimer's or otherwise.

Will

J. Clarke wrote:
> Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Phil Paintin wrote:
> >> If you don't like the idea of hot water + plastic then you probably
> >> shouldn't like the idea of hot water + aluminium either -- it gives a
> >> bitter taste and might (allegedly) contribute to Alzheimer's.
> >> Stainless steel moka pots are available, but cost.
> >
> > The urban legend concerning the role of aluminum in dementia dates to
> > the days when patients in renal failure were given very large amounts
> > of aluminum hydroxide. Because aluminum cannot be removed by dialysis,
> > the level of aluminum in the body would build up resulting, in a few
> > cases, in what was termed "aluminum dementia." Alas, it was
> > irreversible.
> >
> > Dialysis patients no longer receive mega doses of aluminum-contining
> > antacids and the problem has disappeared.
> >
> > As to ingesting enough aluminum through the use of aluminum food/drink
> > utensils, well, as a forensic pathologist friend of mine observed,
> > "Maybe....if you ground the aluminum pot to powder and consumed a
> > tablespoon or so a day."
> >
> > So...no worries about aluminum cookware.
>
> Wasn't there a study that showed a link between aluminum and Alzheimers,
> which study could not be successfully replicated?
>
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Date: 20 Jun 2006 11:41:41
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:

> As any of the researchers here will confirm, one can find a study
> somewhere linking anything to anything. One has to judge based on the
> quality of the research and the preponderance of the evidence. There
> is no body of credible evidence that links the ingestion of aluminum
> from the use of cookware to the development of any dementing process,
> Alzheimer's or otherwise.

Which is what I said. Or did you miss the part about "could not be
replicated"?

The trouble is that it was widely publicized.

> Will
>
>
>
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Phil Paintin wrote:
>> >> If you don't like the idea of hot water + plastic then you probably
>> >> shouldn't like the idea of hot water + aluminium either -- it gives a
>> >> bitter taste and might (allegedly) contribute to Alzheimer's.
>> >> Stainless steel moka pots are available, but cost.
>> >
>> > The urban legend concerning the role of aluminum in dementia dates to
>> > the days when patients in renal failure were given very large amounts
>> > of aluminum hydroxide. Because aluminum cannot be removed by dialysis,
>> > the level of aluminum in the body would build up resulting, in a few
>> > cases, in what was termed "aluminum dementia." Alas, it was
>> > irreversible.
>> >
>> > Dialysis patients no longer receive mega doses of aluminum-contining
>> > antacids and the problem has disappeared.
>> >
>> > As to ingesting enough aluminum through the use of aluminum food/drink
>> > utensils, well, as a forensic pathologist friend of mine observed,
>> > "Maybe....if you ground the aluminum pot to powder and consumed a
>> > tablespoon or so a day."
>> >
>> > So...no worries about aluminum cookware.
>>
>> Wasn't there a study that showed a link between aluminum and Alzheimers,
>> which study could not be successfully replicated?
>>
>> --
>> --John
>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Date: 20 Jun 2006 14:23:38
From: BoyntonStu
Subject: Re: recommend one good auto drip coffeemaker that's inexpensive.

DON'T BREW IN THE FILTER!

All cooking and coffee-making uses a combination of Chemistry and
Physics.

As a Scientist looking for a repeatable process, one would not choose a

pour-over instead of a separate brewing step.

In a separate brewing cycle there are only 3 variables; mixing, time,
and temperature.

All the water and all the coffee are in complete contact for (almost)
the entire time.

With a pour-over process, humidity, the grind, and other variables can

affect the 'packing' in the filter.

The 'packing' controls the time.

Furthermore, not all the water and all the coffee are in contact.

IMHO The missing link is the mixing process. AFAIK mixing is the most
important element.

Keeping it simple will pay dividends.

I cannot understand why anyone requires a 'machine' to make coffee.

Do you need a 'machine' to heat water?

Is a machine required to introduce the water to the coffee?

Is anything other than gravity needed to cause the coffee to pass
through a filter?

Espresso, yes. Coffee, nah!

Brew your coffee in a pitcher. Stir like crazy for 10 seconds. Wait a

few...

NOW, use the filter, to FILTER!

Try it!

jeffp@SPAM_PESTSTRIP wrote:
> Hi, I am not a coffee snob or aficionado. But I've had decent coffee
> and lousy coffee from auto drip machines. The best that I've had was
> from the free Gevalia machine. I had a Black and Decker that was OK
> but it seemed that there was a "plasticy" quality to the taste. There
> were some other cheap $20 brands that were terrible and unusable.
> Anyway, I broke the glass carafe from the Gevalia yesterday and I was
> informed by Gevalia that this model is no longer supported and there
> are no longer any replacement carafes for this unit.
>
> So I need to buy a new machine. I've spent more time than I should
> have searching opinions and there is no unilateral consensus on what's
> good and what's not.
>
> I don't need a timer or any other add on feature. I drink two cups of
> Folgers, Maxwell House, or whatever else is on sale, in the morning,
> and once I'm awake, that's the end of my coffee involvement.
>
> So I'm appealing to the experts here:
>
> What do you recommend in the $50-$70 range that's considered a good
> machine? (and if i break the glass carafe, a replacement is
> available.)
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff