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Date: 23 Sep 2006 20:59:22
From: Fandango .
Subject: vac pot
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After using my press pot for 8 months I decided to try my Yama vac pot,
I used it for 3 days. It seemed so thin compared to press coffee and no
better in any way, would I like a moka pot better?
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 02:53:51
From: Mathew Hargreaves
Subject: Re: vac pot
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Matt,
First off, how do we know you used it right. If you brewed a full
pot of six cups, then you should have used seven scoops of coffee. The
old rule of thumb was one scoop for every cup, and one for the pot. So,
did you actually use the proper measure of coffee? What type of coffee
did you use? and how long did you allow the coffee to brew in the upper
chamber?
CHEERS...Mathew
"Fandango ." wrote:
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> After using my press pot for 8 months I decided to try my Yama vac pot,
> I used it for 3 days. It seemed so thin compared to press coffee and no
> better in any way, would I like a moka pot better?
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 15:37:27
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Subject: Re: vac pot
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In alt.coffee, Fandango . <Matt308@webtv.net > wrote:
> After using my press pot for 8 months I decided to try my Yama vac pot,
> I used it for 3 days. It seemed so thin compared to press coffee and no
> better in any way, would I like a moka pot better?
You might. If you have one, try it.
How long did you brew in your vac pot? Was the water boiling before you
put the top on?
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 13:07:12
From: Fandango .
Subject: Re: vac pot
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It's a small 5 cup-20 oz Yama vac pot, I put the top on at the start and
leave the water in the top for 2 min after turning the heat down some. I
used Rwanda fair trade rusenyl that I roasted in my hot air popper for
5.5 min. I use 4 tbsp of beans to make 2 10 oz nugs, that's how I make
press coffee and drip coffee too. I think the cloth filter is a
nuisance. My Krups plate burr grinder stops halfway thru sometimes,
they're sending me a prepaid shipping label to return it but as long as
it's working I may not send it.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:11:54
From: Mathew Hargreaves
Subject: Re: vac pot
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When I use my Silex, I heat the water to just about boiling, then I
place the top in place and heated water rises in a few seconds. My
brewing time is about 1.5 minutes. Going above this time will usually
over-extract the ground coffee resulting in the bitter oils coming out.
The real flavor you want generally extracts out very fast, along with
the caffeine.
However, I see one fatal mistake in your description. One scoop of
coffee per cup was a 1/2 ounce size, as was the common coffee scoops of
Cory and Silex. Five scoops plus one for the pot = six half ounce
scoops. Four tablespoons of coffee is not the right ratio for a decent
flavored coffee.
You're roasting your own so the breans are probably fresh.
Following the above should result in a smooth full flavored
beverage. Let us know your results.
CHEERS...Mathew
"Fandango ." wrote:
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> It's a small 5 cup-20 oz Yama vac pot, I put the top on at the start and
> leave the water in the top for 2 min after turning the heat down some. I
> used Rwanda fair trade rusenyl that I roasted in my hot air popper for
> 5.5 min. I use 4 tbsp of beans to make 2 10 oz nugs, that's how I make
> press coffee and drip coffee too. I think the cloth filter is a
> nuisance. My Krups plate burr grinder stops halfway thru sometimes,
> they're sending me a prepaid shipping label to return it but as long as
> it's working I may not send it.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 11:52:10
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: vac pot
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I agree -- not enough coffee. Two 10-ounce mugs equal five 4-ounce cups,
which would call for much more coffee. I would use a minimum of six tbsp of
beans for that amount of coffee. Also, I let the water come to a boil
before I put the top pot on. I get a really good brew from this [however,
my "good" brew might be "yuck" for you -- a problem for advising anyone
about coffee or beer].
"Mathew Hargreaves" <mathewdh@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:451701CE.5D6A4CAA@worldnet.att.net...
> However, I see one fatal mistake in your description. One scoop of
> coffee per cup was a 1/2 ounce size, as was the common coffee scoops of
> Cory and Silex. Five scoops plus one for the pot = six half ounce
> scoops. Four tablespoons of coffee is not the right ratio for a decent
> flavored coffee.> "Fandango ." wrote:
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>> It's a small 5 cup-20 oz Yama vac pot, I put the top on at the start and
>> leave the water in the top for 2 min after turning the heat down some. I
>> used Rwanda fair trade rusenyl that I roasted in my hot air popper for
>> 5.5 min. I use 4 tbsp of beans to make 2 10 oz nugs, that's how I make
>> press coffee and drip coffee too. I think the cloth filter is a
>> nuisance. My Krups plate burr grinder stops halfway thru sometimes,
>> they're sending me a prepaid shipping label to return it but as long as
>> it's working I may not send it.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 19:22:20
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Subject: Re: vac pot
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In alt.coffee, Fandango . <Matt308@webtv.net > wrote:
> It's a small 5 cup-20 oz Yama vac pot, I put the top on at the start and
> leave the water in the top for 2 min after turning the heat down some.
There are two possible problems using this method. First, the water
might not be hot enough. It will start to rise well before it boils,
simply because the trapped air expands. You can experiment by letting the
water boil before putting the top on, and see if that improves things. In
a well-engineered vacpot, the boiling water should cool to 205 or so by
the time it goes north. If you have a meat thermometer, you can use it to
test the water temp, if you are so inclined.
Second, 2 minutes is unlikely to be enough. I leave the water up top for
3 and a half minutes or so, using an antique Silex. You want a total
brewtime of 4 minutes or so.
If your coffee takes a long time to go south, it is likely that not enough
suction forms. A common reason is, again, trapped air. The gas in the
bottom should be almost all steam, with little air left. This is because
as the steam condenses into water, it takes up a LOT less space, while the
air changes in volume to a lesser degee. If there's a lot of air in the
bottom, you get less suction (those familiar with physics know that this
explanation is not quite correct, but it is easier to understand than what
is really going on).
The way to replace air with steam is to let the water boil fairly
vigorously for a relatively long time. Using my equipment, 3.5 minutes
works good.
Please get back to us with your results!
I
> used Rwanda fair trade rusenyl that I roasted in my hot air popper for
> 5.5 min. I use 4 tbsp of beans to make 2 10 oz nugs, that's how I make
> press coffee and drip coffee too. I think the cloth filter is a
> nuisance.
Yup. I use a glass rod filter, which is easy to clean.
My Krups plate burr grinder stops halfway thru sometimes,
> they're sending me a prepaid shipping label to return it but as long as
> it's working I may not send it.
--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 13:27:45
From:
Subject: Re: vac pot
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Fandango . wrote:
> It's a small 5 cup-20 oz Yama vac pot, I put the top on at the start and
> leave the water in the top for 2 min after turning the heat down some.
I'll agree with the previous posters that you really need to let the
water come to a boil before putting the funnel on. With my Nicro I
boil water in a kettle first, because the ss on the Nicro makes it slow
to heat. I add the water to the Nicro and set the range burner to get
a slow boil in the Nicro and then put the top on. Once the water has
fully risen you can then turn down the heat to where it will just
barely keep the water up for the rest of the cycle.
You might also experiment with the balance between grind fineness and
total 'up' time. In a vac pot a fine enough grind will stall the drop
but there is a tweakable window of many combinations between the grind,
up time and drop time that can give many different, but good results.
One more factor to consider is the burner heat level; a faster boil in
the pot will give more agitation in the funnel resulting in faster
extraction. Be careful with a glass pot though as boiling dry will
obvously have a negative impact on you future results :).
Matthew
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 12:22:01
From: A.G.McDowell
Subject: Re: vac pot
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In article <8004-4515D86A-124@asg-storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net >,
Fandango . <Matt308@webtv.net > writes
>After using my press pot for 8 months I decided to try my Yama vac pot,
>I used it for 3 days. It seemed so thin compared to press coffee and no
>better in any way, would I like a moka pot better?
>
Possibly, if you want a small amount of very strong coffee, as opposed
to a Moka-Americano - which was my target. I have done as close to blind
tasting of Moka pot vs French Press as is practical for someone working
alone, with the Moka pot coffee diluted with hot water to the same
strength as the French press. I can then detect very little difference,
except that if I don't take the Moka pot off the heat almost before it
has quite finished brewing I get an obvious rubbery taste. I should also
declare that my Moka pot hails from Birmingham (England), not Italy - it
is called "Le'Xpress Classico" and appears to be a close copy of the
classic Moka pot. I also found that the amount of sediment at the bottom
of the cup was very similar (using the entry-level Krups burr grinder
set to its coarsest setting). I would, though, agree with Mathew
Hargreaves that there are likely to be enough different ways of using
the Press pot for you to dismiss it in just 3 days.
--
A.G.McDowell
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 14:02:21
From: Anon
Subject: Re: vac pot
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"Fandango ." <Matt308@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:8004-4515D86A-124@asg-storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net...
> After using my press pot for 8 months I decided to try my Yama vac pot,
> I used it for 3 days. It seemed so thin compared to press coffee and no
> better in any way, would I like a moka pot better?
>
For years I used my vacuum pot and loved the coffee it made. I hated the
cleanup with the precautions because of its fragile glass parts.
A friend got an AeroPress, I tried the coffee. It was just as good as my
vacuum pot coffee. I got one from Sweet Maria, and I now use it all the
time. The best feature is its 10 second cleanup.
http://www.sweetmarias.com/aeropress_instructions.html
Anon
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