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Date: 16 Oct 2006 15:43:49
From: jggall01
Subject: eBay PID controller - same as Dwyer/Love 32B?
Anyone know if this eBay item

http://cgi.ebay.com/Delta-Temperature-Controller-1-32-DIN-PID-auto-tune_W0QQitemZ150047303534QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50926QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is same as this Love 32B from Dwyer?

http://www.dwyer-inst.com/HTDOCS/temperature/Series32BPrice.CFM

>From pictures, it looks like the units are identical (except branding,
of course). The user guides are virtually identical PDF's as well.

JGG





 
Date: 17 Oct 2006 21:17:24
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: eBay PID controller - same as Dwyer/Love 32B?
I'd say they are not identical - one says "Love" and the other doesn't.
Isn't it worth paying double to feel the "Love"?

Seriously, what happens is that big American/European firm contract with
factory in China for X thousand PID controllers/handbags/ whatever. Chinese
factory runs off X+Y thousand copies and sells the "extras" out the back
door. Since American/European company has fired all its domestic factory
workers but has not cut the price, it retails the device for 500% of what
they pay the Chinese. This leave plenty of room for Chinese to sell same
thing (minus the brand name {sometimes} for "only" 250% kup.





"jggall01" <jggall01@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> Anyone know if this eBay item
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Delta-Temperature-Controller-1-32-DIN-PID-auto-tune_W0QQitemZ150047303534QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50926QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> is same as this Love 32B from Dwyer?
>
> http://www.dwyer-inst.com/HTDOCS/temperature/Series32BPrice.CFM
>
>>From pictures, it looks like the units are identical (except branding,
> of course). The user guides are virtually identical PDF's as well.
>
> JGG
>




  
Date: 19 Oct 2006 18:43:42
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: eBay PID controller - same as Dwyer/Love 32B?
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:17:24 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>I'd say they are not identical - one says "Love" and the other doesn't.
>Isn't it worth paying double to feel the "Love"?
>
>Seriously, what happens is that big American/European firm contract with
>factory in China for X thousand PID controllers/handbags/ whatever. Chinese
>factory runs off X+Y thousand copies and sells the "extras" out the back
>door. Since American/European company has fired all its domestic factory
>workers but has not cut the price, it retails the device for 500% of what
>they pay the Chinese. This leave plenty of room for Chinese to sell same
>thing (minus the brand name {sometimes} for "only" 250% kup.

It would be short sighted of the manufacturer to 'back door' a product
if they wished to continue a business relationship.

Sometimes a product is private labelled by several 'retailers'

BrandX may be 'ginal' components that failed to meet certain QC
criteria.

Caveat Emptor.


   
Date: 19 Oct 2006 17:13:33
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: eBay PID controller - same as Dwyer/Love 32B?
The manufacturer maintains "plausible deniability" - when the aggrieved
customer calls they blame the similar product on counterfeiters (which could
very well be also).

Or as you say, the "Love" controller is not a "Love" at all but the product
of the Chinese manufacturer to begin with and Love is relabeling it with
their name.

It is possible that the branded ones are of identical design but have higher
spec. components - in that case the question is whether it makes any
difference in this application - you're running an espresso machine, not a
nuclear plant .



"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> It would be short sighted of the manufacturer to 'back door' a product
> if they wished to continue a business relationship.
>
> Sometimes a product is private labelled by several 'retailers'
>
> BrandX may be 'ginal' components that failed to meet certain QC
> criteria.
>
> Caveat Emptor.




 
Date: 17 Oct 2006 14:48:17
From: jggall01
Subject: Re: eBay PID

daveb wrote:
> IMHO, Chinese knock-off of the Dwyer.
> without support
>
>
> dave

Where is the Dwyer manufactured?

Jim



 
Date: 17 Oct 2006 16:27:29
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Re: eBay PID
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:13:08 -0700, daveb wrote:

> IMHO,

As if...

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Date: 17 Oct 2006 06:13:08
From: daveb
Subject: Re: eBay PID
IMHO, Chinese knock-off of the Dwyer.
without support


dave