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Date: 12 Mar 2007 18:29:48
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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Someone asked why I no longer sell espresso machines on eBay. While I won't
discuss specifics, and without them I acknowledge that my credibility
suffers, I will make a few points.
1) Always k your goods in such a way that buyers can't claim you sent
damaged goods & send you their trash in return & get PayPal to refund the
purchase price plus S&H.
2) Take pictures & video of the identifying ks and of the goods in
operation and use the date time stamp feature of your camera.
3) Don't expect PayPal to stand too closely behind sellers in a dispute.
They're handicapped by charge back rules of credit cards.
4) Last point - it's easier to sell your espresso equipment on
CoffeeGeek.com or your local Craigslist.com & there are NO fees to deal
with. If you establish a good reputation then your goods will find buyers.
I buy used machines from various sources & fix them up for friends.
Occasionally I buy machines just because they're cheap & I want to keep the
ket price for used espresso machines up where I think it should be. These
machines get the same quality attention to details as the machines I fix up
for friends except I had been listing these on eBay at what I considered to
be fair prices, and since they all found buyers I assume others agreed with
me.
So, I will no longer sell on eBay. My hat's off to those willing to deal
with the scheming buyers & wimpy eBay/PayPal support. It's just not worth
the hassle for what is for me just a hobby.
--
Robert Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 07:21:50
From: daveb
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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On 13, 4:11 am, kyem...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 13, 7:58 am, "anthony" <anthonyjhcnos...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > I guess what you're saying, Robert, is that it's safer to be the buyer
> > than the seller.
> > I for instance just picked up on Ebay here in Australia a local
> > machine, the Sunbeam EM6910, brand-new and still sealed in its factory
> > carton, for just $520 Australian which compares to retail price of
> > $699. When I opened it, it had obviously never even been looked at,
> > let alone been used. Works like a dream. The fellow said it was a free
> > bonus gift when he purchased a very expensive home airconditioning
> > system, and his family didn't drink coffee. Sounds like a possible
> > scam, but in this instance, it all seems true. Better a buyer than
> > than a seller be.....
>
> Not necessary. I was in ebay looking for an espresso machine and
> managed to secure a deal for a Gaggia from Italy. Days after I made
> payment, the ebay shop was shut down and the product did not arrived
> as promised. Have since put in a claim with PayPal.
>
> Am still looking for my machine .... ebay again?!?
try a seller with a long history and strong feedback scores, several
HUNDRED plus.
And PP will get all of your money back less a US$25.00 deductible in
most cases.
[and no, I'm not selling Gaggias]
dave
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 01:11:36
From:
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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On 13, 7:58 am, "anthony" <anthonyjhcnos...@netscape.net > wrote:
> I guess what you're saying, Robert, is that it's safer to be the buyer
> than the seller.
> I for instance just picked up on Ebay here in Australia a local
> machine, the Sunbeam EM6910, brand-new and still sealed in its factory
> carton, for just $520 Australian which compares to retail price of
> $699. When I opened it, it had obviously never even been looked at,
> let alone been used. Works like a dream. The fellow said it was a free
> bonus gift when he purchased a very expensive home airconditioning
> system, and his family didn't drink coffee. Sounds like a possible
> scam, but in this instance, it all seems true. Better a buyer than
> than a seller be.....
Not necessary. I was in ebay looking for an espresso machine and
managed to secure a deal for a Gaggia from Italy. Days after I made
payment, the ebay shop was shut down and the product did not arrived
as promised. Have since put in a claim with PayPal.
Am still looking for my machine .... ebay again?!?
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 17:41:03
From: daveb
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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On 12, 3:57 pm, "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> Howdy Jack!
> This was a very devious scheme with one serious flaw; I always k machines
> I sell (I even bought one with my k on it from a seller who'd bought one
> of my rebuilt machines from a customer.), a habit from my hot rodding days
> (can anyone say 'midnight auto supplies'?).
>
> It was only $310, and I can certainly afford to let it go, but if anyone in
> the Tacoma area wants to make a quick bill for breaking a leg let me know
> via email.
> --
> Robert (Am I joking?) Harmonhttp://tinyurl.com/pou2yhttp://tinyurl.com/psfobhttp://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>
> "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>
> news:hK-dnfGtxar6NmjYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > Wow, that's a new scam - I doubt it will happen that often - how often
> > does a buyer have an identical machine to what's being sold and is
> > documented in the auction photos so that he can send you back his old
> > machine. I suppose when you send the machine you could also document that
> > you were sending machine with serial #xxxx although I guess that would not
> > stop a devious buyer from substituting parts. I'm sorry this happened to
> > you but in comparison to the typical ebay scams this one must be fairly
> > rare.
>
> > "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:w_gJh.9114$PL.3098@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> Someone asked why I no longer sell espresso machines on eBay. While I
> >> won't discuss specifics, and without them I acknowledge that my
> >> credibility suffers, I will make a few points.
>
> >> 1) Always k your goods in such a way that buyers can't claim you sent
> >> damaged goods & send you their trash in return & get PayPal to refund the
> >> purchase price plus S&H.
> >> 2) Take pictures & video of the identifying ks and of the goods in
> >> operation and use the date time stamp feature of your camera.
> >> 3) Don't expect PayPal to stand too closely behind sellers in a dispute.
> >> They're handicapped by charge back rules of credit cards.
> >> 4) Last point - it's easier to sell your espresso equipment on
> >> CoffeeGeek.com or your local Craigslist.com & there are NO fees to deal
> >> with. If you establish a good reputation then your goods will find
> >> buyers.
>
> >> I buy used machines from various sources & fix them up for friends.
> >> Occasionally I buy machines just because they're cheap & I want to keep
> >> the ket price for used espresso machines up where I think it should
> >> be. These machines get the same quality attention to details as the
> >> machines I fix up for friends except I had been listing these on eBay at
> >> what I considered to be fair prices, and since they all found buyers I
> >> assume others agreed with me.
>
> >> So, I will no longer sell on eBay. My hat's off to those willing to deal
> >> with the scheming buyers & wimpy eBay/PayPal support. It's just not worth
> >> the hassle for what is for me just a hobby.
> >> --
> >> Robert Harmon
> >>http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
> >>http://tinyurl.com/psfob
> >>http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
harmon, it is convenient to blame the "system" for your problems with
ebay and paypal. Did you quit ebay? or what? none of your 3 names
are registered any more.
why?
In 7 years, I've lost maybe $25.00 -- on thousands of buy and sell
transactions.
dave
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 16:58:03
From: anthony
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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I guess what you're saying, Robert, is that it's safer to be the buyer
than the seller.
I for instance just picked up on Ebay here in Australia a local
machine, the Sunbeam EM6910, brand-new and still sealed in its factory
carton, for just $520 Australian which compares to retail price of
$699. When I opened it, it had obviously never even been looked at,
let alone been used. Works like a dream. The fellow said it was a free
bonus gift when he purchased a very expensive home airconditioning
system, and his family didn't drink coffee. Sounds like a possible
scam, but in this instance, it all seems true. Better a buyer than
than a seller be.....
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 23:50:44
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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"Robert Harmon" wrote
[...]
> I buy used machines from various sources & fix them up for friends.
> Occasionally I buy machines just because they're cheap & I want to keep
> the ket price for used espresso machines up where I think it should be.
[ ... ]
It's just not worth
> the hassle for what is for me just a hobby.
Just curious, Robert, ----- if this is, as you say, just a "hobby" of yours,
what is your motivation to "keep the ket price for used espresso
machines up where [you] think it should be" ?? Is ket control also a
hobby of yours, in addition to espresso machine renovation? If _you_ got a
good deal, what's wrong with someone else getting a good deal?
--
Alan
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 06:35:32
From: Danny
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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*alan* wrote:
> Just curious, Robert, ----- if this is, as you say, just a "hobby" of
> yours, what is your motivation to "keep the ket price for used
> espresso machines up where [you] think it should be" ?? Is ket
> control also a hobby of yours, in addition to espresso machine
> renovation? If _you_ got a good deal, what's wrong with someone else
> getting a good deal?
Exactly... The UK used espresso machine ket is at the right price
thanks - Robert, Please don't attempt your ket forces idea over
here... Although ultimately it's the buyers that decide the price -
they either will or won't pay your price. There are sufficient used
machines around that even if someone is prepared to pay a higher
asking price there are many more machines that potential customers.
--
Regards, Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 14:02:05
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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On 12, 2:29 pm, "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> Someone asked why I no longer sell espresso machines on eBay. While I won't
> discuss specifics, and without them I acknowledge that my credibility
> suffers, I will make a few points.
>
> 1) Always k your goods in such a way that buyers can't claim you sent
> damaged goods & send you their trash in return & get PayPal to refund the
> purchase price plus S&H.
> 2) Take pictures & video of the identifying ks and of the goods in
> operation and use the date time stamp feature of your camera.
> 3) Don't expect PayPal to stand too closely behind sellers in a dispute.
> They're handicapped by charge back rules of credit cards.
> 4) Last point - it's easier to sell your espresso equipment on
> CoffeeGeek.com or your local Craigslist.com & there are NO fees to deal
> with. If you establish a good reputation then your goods will find buyers.
>
> I buy used machines from various sources & fix them up for friends.
> Occasionally I buy machines just because they're cheap & I want to keep the
> ket price for used espresso machines up where I think it should be. These
> machines get the same quality attention to details as the machines I fix up
> for friends except I had been listing these on eBay at what I considered to
> be fair prices, and since they all found buyers I assume others agreed with
> me.
>
> So, I will no longer sell on eBay. My hat's off to those willing to deal
> with the scheming buyers & wimpy eBay/PayPal support. It's just not worth
> the hassle for what is for me just a hobby.
> --
> Robert Harmonhttp://tinyurl.com/pou2yhttp://tinyurl.com/psfobhttp://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
Good reasons why a buyer could get cold feet. I came a mite close to
picking up a new, reputedly, $400 orange-base Europiccola, @ $11
shipping from NYC. Despite yet procrastinating over a tear-down, parts
substitute, and gasket rebuild (seems reasonable to expect for my
money's worth), there's first a matter of balances to consider, since
all sellers are not out for the scam. Where the arguement does not or
will not hold water, is because of the overriding price incentive.
It's close to $500 to have an OPE-18 shipped directly from the Italian
factory to America. This particular seller had run into the very scam
you mention, where a low-down, no-count, blackguard buyer took the
sell and tried a secondary switch-out over the seller's priy
merchandise. That, and the fact that this particular seller wasn't a
volume or power presence on the Ebay community. Me, I just didn't
want to get into the middle of it -- the deal, at that moment, was for
the same item -- within days of those two hitting the fan. Like
venture investments, everyone has their tolerances - how far they're
willing to go out on a limb. I generally won't consider private,
bathtub, or mom-and-pop operations. Generally. If an individual is
running a successful cottage industry, however, a small well-regarded
shop, I may make exception within a bases of presence and some evident
integrity. Unfortunately, he didn't have a sufficient customer base,
(not that the Europicolla lasted a wit longer at its set bid), as I
judged him. A bad hairday at work. With given measures (seems better
machines ought have serial #s, too), and doing what jobs do -- the
right tools to keep an honest man honest. Nice thing about Ebay is
that it's there to give Amazon a good run on its money. Boutique
shops, SM or CG (haven't apprised the latter), are apt to be specialty
sales, unique items, not the everyday dog-eat-dog affair
--
Aunty Entity: One day cock-of-the-walk, next a feather duster. -MadMax
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 13:10:18
From: gscace
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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On 12, 2:57 pm, "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> Howdy Jack!
> This was a very devious scheme with one serious flaw; I always k machines
> I sell (I even bought one with my k on it from a seller who'd bought one
> of my rebuilt machines from a customer.), a habit from my hot rodding days
> (can anyone say 'midnight auto supplies'?).
>
> It was only $310, and I can certainly afford to let it go, but if anyone in
> the Tacoma area wants to make a quick bill for breaking a leg let me know
> via email.
> --
> Robert (Am I joking?) Harmonhttp://tinyurl.com/pou2yhttp://tinyurl.com/psfobhttp://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>
Is Jeff Gillooly looking for work?
-Greg
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 15:35:02
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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Wow, that's a new scam - I doubt it will happen that often - how often does
a buyer have an identical machine to what's being sold and is documented in
the auction photos so that he can send you back his old machine. I suppose
when you send the machine you could also document that you were sending
machine with serial #xxxx although I guess that would not stop a devious
buyer from substituting parts. I'm sorry this happened to you but in
comparison to the typical ebay scams this one must be fairly rare.
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:w_gJh.9114$PL.3098@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Someone asked why I no longer sell espresso machines on eBay. While I
> won't discuss specifics, and without them I acknowledge that my
> credibility suffers, I will make a few points.
>
> 1) Always k your goods in such a way that buyers can't claim you sent
> damaged goods & send you their trash in return & get PayPal to refund the
> purchase price plus S&H.
> 2) Take pictures & video of the identifying ks and of the goods in
> operation and use the date time stamp feature of your camera.
> 3) Don't expect PayPal to stand too closely behind sellers in a dispute.
> They're handicapped by charge back rules of credit cards.
> 4) Last point - it's easier to sell your espresso equipment on
> CoffeeGeek.com or your local Craigslist.com & there are NO fees to deal
> with. If you establish a good reputation then your goods will find buyers.
>
> I buy used machines from various sources & fix them up for friends.
> Occasionally I buy machines just because they're cheap & I want to keep
> the ket price for used espresso machines up where I think it should be.
> These machines get the same quality attention to details as the machines I
> fix up for friends except I had been listing these on eBay at what I
> considered to be fair prices, and since they all found buyers I assume
> others agreed with me.
>
> So, I will no longer sell on eBay. My hat's off to those willing to deal
> with the scheming buyers & wimpy eBay/PayPal support. It's just not worth
> the hassle for what is for me just a hobby.
> --
> Robert Harmon
> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
> http://tinyurl.com/psfob
> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>
>
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 19:57:26
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: eBay scams & sellers of espresso machines
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Howdy Jack!
This was a very devious scheme with one serious flaw; I always k machines
I sell (I even bought one with my k on it from a seller who'd bought one
of my rebuilt machines from a customer.), a habit from my hot rodding days
(can anyone say 'midnight auto supplies'?).
It was only $310, and I can certainly afford to let it go, but if anyone in
the Tacoma area wants to make a quick bill for breaking a leg let me know
via email.
--
Robert (Am I joking?) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:hK-dnfGtxar6NmjYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@comcast.com...
> Wow, that's a new scam - I doubt it will happen that often - how often
> does a buyer have an identical machine to what's being sold and is
> documented in the auction photos so that he can send you back his old
> machine. I suppose when you send the machine you could also document that
> you were sending machine with serial #xxxx although I guess that would not
> stop a devious buyer from substituting parts. I'm sorry this happened to
> you but in comparison to the typical ebay scams this one must be fairly
> rare.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:w_gJh.9114$PL.3098@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Someone asked why I no longer sell espresso machines on eBay. While I
>> won't discuss specifics, and without them I acknowledge that my
>> credibility suffers, I will make a few points.
>>
>> 1) Always k your goods in such a way that buyers can't claim you sent
>> damaged goods & send you their trash in return & get PayPal to refund the
>> purchase price plus S&H.
>> 2) Take pictures & video of the identifying ks and of the goods in
>> operation and use the date time stamp feature of your camera.
>> 3) Don't expect PayPal to stand too closely behind sellers in a dispute.
>> They're handicapped by charge back rules of credit cards.
>> 4) Last point - it's easier to sell your espresso equipment on
>> CoffeeGeek.com or your local Craigslist.com & there are NO fees to deal
>> with. If you establish a good reputation then your goods will find
>> buyers.
>>
>> I buy used machines from various sources & fix them up for friends.
>> Occasionally I buy machines just because they're cheap & I want to keep
>> the ket price for used espresso machines up where I think it should
>> be. These machines get the same quality attention to details as the
>> machines I fix up for friends except I had been listing these on eBay at
>> what I considered to be fair prices, and since they all found buyers I
>> assume others agreed with me.
>>
>> So, I will no longer sell on eBay. My hat's off to those willing to deal
>> with the scheming buyers & wimpy eBay/PayPal support. It's just not worth
>> the hassle for what is for me just a hobby.
>> --
>> Robert Harmon
>> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
>> http://tinyurl.com/psfob
>> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>>
>>
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