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Date: 11 Oct 2006 22:42:07
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: great resource for restorers
This might already be common knowledge, but it's worth repeating.

I am restoring a couple of commercial machines for home use & needed some
plating done. The usual vendors wanted an arm & a leg to do these 'little'
jobs (their way of running off non-profitable business?). One of the vendors
that I've used in the past pointed me to Caswell Plating where I ordered a
brush on plating kit. I've done a few pieces already & I think I'll end up
redoing all of the chrome on the Bunn ES-1A & maybe on the NS Personal I'm
redoing for a neighbor. An added bonus - they sell the full line of
Permatex products (RTV Gasket Maker anyone?). Take a look; this site flexed
my creative muscles & might do the same for you.

http://www.caswellplating.com/

And, here's a link for anyone considering doing a little powder coating on
their own

http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=458
--
Robert (If it doesn't move, paint it. If you can't paint it, plate it. If
you can't plate it, bury it - it's not worth the trouble. SgtMaj Worthy, HHC
2-7, 1st Cav, Air Mobile - Garry Owen!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r






 
Date: 12 Oct 2006 12:41:09
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: great resource for restorers
I think the vendors pricing is not because they don't want your business but
is reflective of the minimum setup costs involved in any job. You probably
have gleaned by now that objects are not really just chrome plated directly
because chrome will not stick to most metals. Rather chrome plating is a
rather involved multistep process with the chrome that you see being only
the final step with undercoats of nickel and copper plate and cleaning and
polishing steps as well. If you mess up any of the steps you will not
achieve the mirror finish the customer expects. The number of steps and
labor involved in doing a proper preparation and plating job (and an
improper one is worthless) and the capital costs, environmental compliance
costs, etc. are not insignificant. Though Caswell has "shortcut" type
methods available that do not produce a true chrome plate, their cheapest
kit that is comparable to a commercial triple plating process starts at over
$500. And you end up with several 5 gal buckets full of toxic chemicals
that are not easily disposed of and fumes during the process. And you
essentially have to learn a new trade and practice on a number of objects
before you'll get satisfactory results. In short the kind of job that cries
out to be left to a professional.

It may be that brush plating will be sufficient to restore chrome that is
only lightly damaged to an adequate appearance if you don't look too
closely (at least for a while) but I don't think that anyone will mistake
your end results for a good commercial plating job.

I suppose everyone has their individual threshold for what jobs they will
attempt and what they send out, but to me chrome plating falls well on the
other side of the line.





"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:3reXg.7990$Y24.459@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> This might already be common knowledge, but it's worth repeating.
>
> I am restoring a couple of commercial machines for home use & needed some
> plating done. The usual vendors wanted an arm & a leg to do these 'little'
> jobs (their way of running off non-profitable business?). One of the
> vendors that I've used in the past pointed me to Caswell Plating where I
> ordered a brush on plating kit. I've done a few pieces already & I think
> I'll end up redoing all of the chrome on the Bunn ES-1A & maybe on the NS
> Personal I'm redoing for a neighbor. An added bonus - they sell the full
> line of Permatex products (RTV Gasket Maker anyone?). Take a look; this
> site flexed my creative muscles & might do the same for you.
>
> http://www.caswellplating.com/
>
> And, here's a link for anyone considering doing a little powder coating on
> their own
>
> http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=458
> --
> Robert (If it doesn't move, paint it. If you can't paint it, plate it. If
> you can't plate it, bury it - it's not worth the trouble. SgtMaj Worthy,
> HHC 2-7, 1st Cav, Air Mobile - Garry Owen!) Harmon
> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
> http://tinyurl.com/psfob
> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>




  
Date: 12 Oct 2006 21:52:09
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: great resource for restorers
Howdy Jack!
No argument from me on anything you said, but it's still a good thing to
know about. And the pieces I've done do look very good - even close up. I
guess it all depends on how well you prep the item to be plated.

Like almost everything worth doing the Pareto principle applies to do-it-
yourself tasks in that 80% of your effort is devoted to preparing to do
something & only 20% of your effort is spent doing it.

And, finally - I'm glad your aesthetic threshold is so high Jack. It gives
the rest of us peons something to aspire to. ;)

Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
--

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"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote in
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> I think the vendors pricing is not because they don't want your
> business but is reflective of the minimum setup costs involved in any
> job. You probably have gleaned by now that objects are not really just
> chrome plated directly because chrome will not stick to most metals.
> Rather chrome plating is a rather involved multistep process with the
> chrome that you see being only the final step with undercoats of
> nickel and copper plate and cleaning and polishing steps as well. If
> you mess up any of the steps you will not achieve the mirror finish
> the customer expects. The number of steps and labor involved in doing
> a proper preparation and plating job (and an improper one is
> worthless) and the capital costs, environmental compliance costs,
> etc. are not insignificant. Though Caswell has "shortcut" type methods
> available that do not produce a true chrome plate, their cheapest kit
> that is comparable to a commercial triple plating process starts at
> over $500. And you end up with several 5 gal buckets full of toxic
> chemicals that are not easily disposed of and fumes during the
> process. And you essentially have to learn a new trade and practice
> on a number of objects before you'll get satisfactory results. In
> short the kind of job that cries out to be left to a professional.
>
> It may be that brush plating will be sufficient to restore chrome
> that is only lightly damaged to an adequate appearance if you don't
> look too closely (at least for a while) but I don't think that anyone
> will mistake your end results for a good commercial plating job.
>
> I suppose everyone has their individual threshold for what jobs they
> will attempt and what they send out, but to me chrome plating falls
> well on the other side of the line.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3reXg.7990$Y24.459@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> This might already be common knowledge, but it's worth repeating.
>>
>> I am restoring a couple of commercial machines for home use & needed
>> some plating done. The usual vendors wanted an arm & a leg to do
>> these 'little' jobs (their way of running off non-profitable
>> business?). One of the vendors that I've used in the past pointed me
>> to Caswell Plating where I ordered a brush on plating kit. I've done
>> a few pieces already & I think I'll end up redoing all of the chrome
>> on the Bunn ES-1A & maybe on the NS Personal I'm redoing for a
>> neighbor. An added bonus - they sell the full line of Permatex
>> products (RTV Gasket Maker anyone?). Take a look; this site flexed my
>> creative muscles & might do the same for you.
>>
>> http://www.caswellplating.com/
>>
>> And, here's a link for anyone considering doing a little powder
>> coating on their own
>>
>> http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=458
>> --
>> Robert (If it doesn't move, paint it. If you can't paint it, plate
>> it. If you can't plate it, bury it - it's not worth the trouble.
>> SgtMaj Worthy, HHC 2-7, 1st Cav, Air Mobile - Garry Owen!) Harmon
>> http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
>> http://tinyurl.com/psfob
>> http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
>>
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