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Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:09:48
From: Bradley
Subject: green beans and avoirdupois
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Another new-to-roasting question:
My Z&D "kit" included 3 "1 pound" bags of green beans.
When the second bag of 4 oz. roasting batches didn't work out, I
weighed the third, which sealed bag and beans together weighed in at
about 15.5 ounces. Deducting the bag, I found that my "16 oz net
weight" came in at about 15.1 oz, or about 6% shrinkage. Calibrated
my scale with water and it worked out nearly perfectly dead-on.
Is shrinkage usual for green beans after packaging? And should I
expect that from sealed plastic bags if they allegedly began life as
16 oz. of beans plus packaging?
This is nit picking a bit, probably. But, then, if there is
systematic shorting, that would be helpful to know, too, re future
orders. If this is the norm, then that means working out sizes of
orders to work out with the batch sizes.
Brad
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:25:48
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: green beans and avoirdupois
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In <ugvtf2letab3u5usfnurdn6vsnj70m0rqb@4ax.com >, on Wed, 06 Sep 2006
17:09:48 GMT, Bradley wrote:
> Is shrinkage usual for green beans after packaging? And should I
> expect that from sealed plastic bags if they allegedly began life as
> 16 oz. of beans plus packaging?
Green beans sealed in airtight packaging should
weigh the same, even years later.
The only way you're going to see weight loss is if
the beans are shipped and/or stored in anything less
than hermetically sealed packaging and you live in a
dry climate.
In that case it would be entirely reasonable to see
6% weight loss (or more, depending on start and end
moisture content)... but if you lived in a dry climate
you'd certainly store your beans in airtight containers
or packaging.
> This is nit picking a bit, probably. But, then, if there is
> systematic shorting, that would be helpful to know, too, re future
> orders. If this is the norm, then that means working out sizes of
> orders to work out with the batch sizes.
Nope, not the norm. If you pay for 16 oz. you're
supposed to get *at least* 16 oz.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 10:34:40
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: green beans and avoirdupois
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15 ounces is not 16 ounces. If they supplied the beans "free" and you
only paid for shipping then I am not sure there is anything to
complain about. If you paid for three pounds of beans then that is
another story. Most states have a Dept of Weights and Measures to
cover such. A 6% shrinkage is not reasonable IMO just from packaging
and shipping time (evaporation? don't think so).
I would guess that the beans were free and they were scooping (or
selling by volume) just to get close to the one pound weight. One
reseller claimed that a problem was caused by an employee who no
longer worked there... To find out, call them and ask!
Randy "gots me a scale and an attitude" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
Bradley <nospam@127.0.0.1 > wrote:
>
>Another new-to-roasting question:
>
>My Z&D "kit" included 3 "1 pound" bags of green beans.
>
>When the second bag of 4 oz. roasting batches didn't work out, I
>weighed the third, which sealed bag and beans together weighed in at
>about 15.5 ounces. Deducting the bag, I found that my "16 oz net
>weight" came in at about 15.1 oz, or about 6% shrinkage. Calibrated
>my scale with water and it worked out nearly perfectly dead-on.
>
>Is shrinkage usual for green beans after packaging? And should I
>expect that from sealed plastic bags if they allegedly began life as
>16 oz. of beans plus packaging?
>
>This is nit picking a bit, probably. But, then, if there is
>systematic shorting, that would be helpful to know, too, re future
>orders. If this is the norm, then that means working out sizes of
>orders to work out with the batch sizes.
>
>Brad
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 19:17:07
From: Bradley
Subject: Re: green beans and avoirdupois
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:34:40 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:
>15 ounces is not 16 ounces. If they supplied the beans "free" and you
>only paid for shipping then I am not sure there is anything to
>complain about. If you paid for three pounds of beans then that is
>another story. Most states have a Dept of Weights and Measures to
>cover such. A 6% shrinkage is not reasonable IMO just from packaging
>and shipping time (evaporation? don't think so).
>
>I would guess that the beans were free and they were scooping (or
>selling by volume) just to get close to the one pound weight. One
>reseller claimed that a problem was caused by an employee who no
>longer worked there... To find out, call them and ask!
>
> Randy "gots me a scale and an attitude" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>
Randy, et al, thanks for the felt feedback.
These packages were part of their starter kit and included for a
single price with the roaster, but they appeared to be their sealed,
printed product packages out of regular stock. Though, you have a
reasonable alternative hypothesis: it is possible that, as the starter
kit, they were indeed scooped out of the bin with a bit of abandon and
then sealed in their regular bags.
May try an order of regular retail beans. If I do, I'll get back with
the results.
It is helpful to hear that this kind of shrinkage is not usual.
Thanks again,
Brad
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:26:55
From:
Subject: Re: green beans and avoirdupois
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:34:40 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:
>15 ounces is not 16 ounces. If they supplied the beans "free" and you
>only paid for shipping then I am not sure there is anything to
>complain about. If you paid for three pounds of beans then that is
>another story. Most states have a Dept of Weights and Measures to
>cover such. A 6% shrinkage is not reasonable IMO just from packaging
>and shipping time (evaporation? don't think so).
>
>I would guess that the beans were free and they were scooping (or
>selling by volume) just to get close to the one pound weight. One
>reseller claimed that a problem was caused by an employee who no
>longer worked there... To find out, call them and ask!
>
> Randy "gots me a scale and an attitude" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>
>Bradley <nospam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>Another new-to-roasting question:
>>
>>My Z&D "kit" included 3 "1 pound" bags of green beans.
>>
>>When the second bag of 4 oz. roasting batches didn't work out, I
>>weighed the third, which sealed bag and beans together weighed in at
>>about 15.5 ounces. Deducting the bag, I found that my "16 oz net
>>weight" came in at about 15.1 oz, or about 6% shrinkage. Calibrated
>>my scale with water and it worked out nearly perfectly dead-on.
>>
>>Is shrinkage usual for green beans after packaging? And should I
>>expect that from sealed plastic bags if they allegedly began life as
>>16 oz. of beans plus packaging?
>>
>>This is nit picking a bit, probably. But, then, if there is
>>systematic shorting, that would be helpful to know, too, re future
>>orders. If this is the norm, then that means working out sizes of
>>orders to work out with the batch sizes.
>>
>>Brad
As a green bean seller, I do not think green beans can shrink in
weight. They are stable. We try to always be so careful about
weighing and perhaps the person making those bags was new and did not
claibrate the "tare" of the bag, but I agree with Randy. You should
get 16 oz of beans.
aloha,
Cea
--smithfarms.com
farmers of pure kona
roast beans to kona to email
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