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Date: 07 Dec 2006 22:16:47
From: Hunter
Subject: hand grinders?
Are the old fashion hand grinders good enough for espresso grind?





 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 09:31:05
From: notbob
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
On 2006-12-08, Hunter <amswak2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Are the old fashion hand grinders good enough for espresso grind?

Yes. Zassenhaus grinders are more than capable. I use one for my
espresso. Unfortunately, they appear to be out of business with most
of the stock is long gone. You might try ebay. I found mine in an
antique store.

nb


 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 08:28:09
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
Very high quality ones are - e.g. some of the Zassenhaus models. The burrs
don't care what is turning them. A good set of burrs is a good set of burrs
and will produce a good grind But many hand grinders haver burrs that are
even cruder than those on cheap electrics.



OTOH, you'll be cranking a good long time - the finer the grind the less
coffee is ground on each turn of the crank.



"Hunter" <amswak2000@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> Are the old fashion hand grinders good enough for espresso grind?
>




  
Date: 08 Dec 2006 15:20:03
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:28:09 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>Very high quality ones are - e.g. some of the Zassenhaus models. The burrs
>don't care what is turning them. A good set of burrs is a good set of burrs
>and will produce a good grind But many hand grinders haver burrs that are
>even cruder than those on cheap electrics.
>
>
>
> OTOH, you'll be cranking a good long time - the finer the grind the less
>coffee is ground on each turn of the crank.
>
>
>
>"Hunter" <amswak2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1165558606.952932.113600@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Are the old fashion hand grinders good enough for espresso grind?

FYI Zass is out of business according to several convincing reports on
home-barista.com.

shall


   
Date: 08 Dec 2006 13:22:38
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. It's a pity because they seemed like a good
company with quality products and it's a shame to see one more vestige of
old fashioned craftsmanship go - it seems like the cheap junk drive out the
good products because people can't see past the price tag. OTOH, I'm to
blame too because never in a million years would I have bought a product
that required so much cranking just to make enough grounds for a shot.



"shall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:28:09 -0500, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>Very high quality ones are - e.g. some of the Zassenhaus models. The burrs
>>don't care what is turning them. A good set of burrs is a good set of
>>burrs
>>and will produce a good grind But many hand grinders haver burrs that are
>>even cruder than those on cheap electrics.
>>
>>
>>
>> OTOH, you'll be cranking a good long time - the finer the grind the less
>>coffee is ground on each turn of the crank.
>>
>>
>>
>>"Hunter" <amswak2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1165558606.952932.113600@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Are the old fashion hand grinders good enough for espresso grind?
>
> FYI Zass is out of business according to several convincing reports on
> home-barista.com.
>
> shall




    
Date: 08 Dec 2006 15:44:54
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
Jack Denver wrote:

> Oh, I wasn't aware of that. It's a pity because they seemed like a good
> company with quality products and it's a shame to see one more vestige of
> old fashioned craftsmanship go - it seems like the cheap junk drive out the
> good products because people can't see past the price tag. OTOH, I'm to
> blame too because never in a million years would I have bought a product
> that required so much cranking just to make enough grounds for a shot.
>

AFIK they still make pepper mills and the like.
http://www.zassenhaus.com/ They show a Kaffeemuhlen on the site but I've
never seen the one they have pictured. Great for press pot and perhaps
even vac but not suited for espresso IMO. There's no way to
consistently fine tune the grind and the adjustment knob migrates,
especially when you're grinding that fine. Not to mention that the
burrs rub when you're in espresso range but I'm sure the iron content is
good for most people. The perfect grinder to go with a La Pav lever.

R "don't just drive yourself nuts, drive yourself really nuts" TF


    
Date: 08 Dec 2006 13:56:45
From: notbob
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
On 2006-12-08, Jack Denver <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

> blame too because never in a million years would I have bought a product
> that required so much cranking just to make enough grounds for a shot.

60 secs is a "so much" cranking.

nb


     
Date: 08 Dec 2006 16:10:41
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
I'd say it is. More than I'm willing to do on a daily basis. Different
people have different tolerance levels for this kind of stuff, so YMMV.


"notbob" <notbob@nothome.com > wrote in message
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> >
> 60 secs is a "so much" cranking.
>
> nb




      
Date: 08 Dec 2006 21:31:26
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
You'd have to crank like a frickin' madman to grind 14 grams for an
espresso shot in 60 secs.

R "I prefer more stimulating entertainment for my house guests" TF

Jack Denver wrote:

> I'd say it is. More than I'm willing to do on a daily basis. Different
> people have different tolerance levels for this kind of stuff, so YMMV.
>
>
> "notbob" <notbob@nothome.com> wrote in message
> news:MO6dnfUdmafgXuTYnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>60 secs is a "so much" cranking.
>>
>>nb
>
>
>


       
Date: 08 Dec 2006 22:17:57
From: notbob
Subject: Re: hand grinders?
On 2006-12-09, Moka Java <rtwatches@fishyahoo.com > wrote:
> You'd have to crank like a frickin' madman to grind 14 grams for an
> espresso shot in 60 secs.

Keeps the utility bills low in the Winter. In reality, I prefer the
more leisurely 120 secs. Not too big a chunk out of my day.

nb