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Date: 13 Apr 2007 03:05:16
From: Jeffrey Pawlan
Subject: no c-member event this year
I tried to organize a small c-member/alt.coffee event for the SCAA
conference in May. Unfortunately, I was informed tonight that the final
decision was it was turned down for this year.

I am a full member of the SCAA and had volunteered to host and be fully
responsible for organizing a mini program in the SCAA lab on Saturday
afternoon. I had spoken with Mike, the program chairman (Mary), and to
the new director Dawn. Actually, all were very receptive to the idea and
all were sympathetic to the c-members. Unfortunately, the budget pinch
coupled with the desire to not have the SCAA office open at all on
Saturday were the reasons for the decline of permission. It was
suggested that a proposal for a c-member track be made for next year's
conference in Minn. I won't be there owing to the very difficult airline
connections but someone else might take this suggestion and submit a
proposal for next year.

Please let me know if anyone is going to plan any informal get-togethers
in Lon Beach. (Please, somewhere other than a bar or brewery)

Best Regards,


Jeffrey Pawlan




 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 22:05:38
From: daveb
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 13, 7:44 pm, Marshall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> >"daveb"
> >> Norm, don't I know! we lived in Silver Lake.
> >> Gun fire, LAPD illegally flying at 200 feet above the house at 3 AM,
> >> etc. etc
>
> >> depressing.
>
> Give me a break! Silver Lake is one of the trendiest neighborhoods in
> L.A. Artists, designers and restaurateurs flock there to live and do
> business. Doug Zell chose it for his first Intelligentsia location
> outside Chicago (opening this summer). He'll have great neighbors: the
> Cheese Shop of Silver Lake, Pazzo Gelato and lots more.
--------------------------------------------------------
All true, Marshall. but, how long did you live there??

Even having an Intelligentsia (which I mail order - 2 lbs Black Cat
every 2 weeks ) near me would not make it liveable.

In addition to the above, I did not even mention the gang graffitti;
the homeless with their stolen shopping carts picking through the
trash and stealing the recyclables EVERY morning around seven AM;
then retiring to nap in the relative comfort of the hollows of the
feces-smeared underpass bridge at Sunset and Silverlake.

Nice place to visit -- If you can find parking.

I could go on.
>
> The demand for housing there is so intense you could buy a farm in the
> Carolinas for what people pay for a two-bedroom house.

And that is EXACTLY what we did.

Dave
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 14 Apr 2007 02:54:16
From: Mike Garner
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
In article <461EF333.8080603@sbcglobal.net >, devnull@sbcglobal.net
says...
> I tried to organize a small c-member/alt.coffee event for the SCAA
> conference in May. Unfortunately, I was informed tonight that the final
> decision was it was turned down for this year.
>


Um, could somebody please refresh my memory exactly what of value, if
anything, c-membership provides?

Mike "former charter member...what a dissapointment" G.



  
Date: 14 Apr 2007 16:17:02
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:54:16 GMT, Mike Garner <coffee@quar.net > wrote:

>Um, could somebody please refresh my memory exactly what of value, if
>anything, c-membership provides?

ask not ... etc.

We certainly failed the reciprocity test as far as rank and file SCAA
retailers are concerned. They would have been happy to support the
program if it had snowballed outward to draw in tens of thousands of
members.

The roasters and cafes who do the sort of coffee we like seem to
prefer having a presence on the boards and doing occasional events
themselves. This works better for them than anything done via the
SCAA. They are also reaching out to their local foodie publics more
effectively than any of the SCAA retail oriented programs ever did.

In the end effect, the SCAA is the big tent for specialty coffee,
vente lattes, smoothies and and snickerdoodle flavored cappucinno
mixes. They don't match up well programatically with an enthusiast
public. However, they have been quite effective in getting enthusiast
coffee pros and amateurs together.

Now it's really a question of coming up with a format of events and
other pr type things that will expand the enthusiast audience -- this
is just a matter of trial, error and time.


  
Date: 14 Apr 2007 06:22:23
From:
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:54:16 GMT, Mike Garner <coffee@quar.net > wrote:

>In article <461EF333.8080603@sbcglobal.net>, devnull@sbcglobal.net
>says...
>> I tried to organize a small c-member/alt.coffee event for the SCAA
>> conference in May. Unfortunately, I was informed tonight that the final
>> decision was it was turned down for this year.
>>
>
>
>Um, could somebody please refresh my memory exactly what of value, if
>anything, c-membership provides?
>
>Mike "former charter member...what a dissapointment" G.

It was a fairly new category, as you remember and designed for those
of us who were consumers interested in coffee, but did not have the
big $ to spend on regular annual memberships which used to be about
$250 or so. The c-member category was always tenuous.

The first year IIRC Mike Ferguson & Mark Prince had worked hard on it
and we even got presents (book on coffee something or other) but it
has been dwindling and by last year as a farmer, I was told I couldn't
be part of the c-member group anymore and had to be in another "class"
of the SCAA. So I am not any kind of SCAA member, but I do wish them
well.

aloha,
Cea


   
Date: 14 Apr 2007 11:05:34
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote in message
news:uev123d8egtnoc3qspjpbnu0182t8ad2m3@4ax.com...
> >
> It was a fairly new category, as you remember and designed for those
> of us who were consumers interested in coffee, but did not have the
> big $ to spend on regular annual memberships which used to be about
> $250 or so. The c-member category was always tenuous.
>
> The first year IIRC Mike Ferguson & Mark Prince had worked hard on it
> and we even got presents (book on coffee something or other) but it
> has been dwindling and by last year as a farmer, I was told I couldn't
> be part of the c-member group anymore and had to be in another "class"
> of the SCAA. So I am not any kind of SCAA member, but I do wish them
> well.
>
> aloha,
> Cea

yeah, it has sort of died. What does exist, for example Marshall's
"homecoming" program in Long Beach, does not require C-membership to go to.
I renewed my C-membership the last time it came up but probably will not do
so when the membership expires.

At the same time, we should appreciate the interest that the SCAA has shown
in "consumers," with such events as Marshall's excellent annual program and
allowing us to attend the SCAA convention. It is just the category of "C
member" that offers basically nothing. I think it has been lost in the
wash of the various administrative changes and financial problems that the
organization has been undergoing, combined with the lack of anyone in
particular taking much of an interest in it. If you are going to charge $45
to have this level of membership, then something should be provided for
that. If not, and if the only things being provided are Marshall's program
(open to anyone), or the annual SCAA convention, then charges for those
particular activities should cover whatever costs the organization feels are
necessary for it to continue offering those activities to consumers.

ken




    
Date: 14 Apr 2007 13:31:27
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
The effort SCAA has put out for the C-Membership seems rinky dink at most to
me. The first year, there was quite a bit of enthusiasm for us (SCAA
Atlanta Convention was a blast, with tons of consumer stuff), but then their
interest waned, and consumers became just a weak afterthought. I expected
much more leadership from SCAA in building the C-Member program once it got
started. Instead, there has been little to no motivation from them to build
what they started. To me that's poor management.
--
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
http://www.homeroaster.com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************


"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeSnipThis@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:58cftnF2egb7lU1@mid.individual.net...
<SNIP >If you are going to charge $45
> to have this level of membership, then something should be provided for
> that. If not, and if the only things being provided are Marshall's
> program (open to anyone), or the annual SCAA convention, then charges for
> those particular activities should cover whatever costs the organization
> feels are necessary for it to continue offering those activities to
> consumers.
>
> ken
>
>




     
Date: 14 Apr 2007 11:04:23
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
"Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com > wrote:

>The effort SCAA has put out for the C-Membership seems rinky dink at most to
>me. The first year, there was quite a bit of enthusiasm for us (SCAA
>Atlanta Convention was a blast, with tons of consumer stuff), but then their
>interest waned, and consumers became just a weak afterthought. I expected
>much more leadership from SCAA in building the C-Member program once it got
>started. Instead, there has been little to no motivation from them to build
>what they started. To me that's poor management.
>

With SCAA being oriented towards the commercial/professional end of
the business, if they were smart they would do a consumer spin-off
(Peoples Liberation Front Coffee Association). Seriously, it's great
that they do so much for quality, standards, sustainability and such,
but invigorating demand is also a good thing. Educating the consumer
as to the difference between cheap coffee that robs the earth and
enslaves farmers and quality coffee that protects and enhances the
environment and supplies living wages would seem to be a popular
venture, so why hasn't it grown? There are a whole lot more coffee
drinkers than coffee growers/importers/roasters. Quarterly or
semi-monthly newsletter/magazine with featured growers regions and
such, discount coupons, educational articles, special pricing for
conventions, announcements on local activities (barrista
championships, etc.), and maybe a t-shirt or hat. Maybe a coffee club
featuring SCAA members' products.. Seems like $20 a year to build such
a following on a consumer level would be a good thing. I know a guy
who designs T-shirts! ;-)


Randy "I just read a coffee magazine today, and..." G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




      
Date: 15 Apr 2007 12:47:47
From: North Sullivan
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:04:23 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>featuring SCAA members' products.. Seems like $20 a year to build such
>a following on a consumer level would be a good thing. I know a guy
>who designs T-shirts! ;-)
>
>
> Randy "I just read a coffee magazine today, and..." G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com


Are you still selling those or going to do an offering soon? Mine is
wearing out and full of bleach spots from wearing it at work. I need
to buy several next time it rolls around.

North Sullivan



      
Date: 14 Apr 2007 10:27:39
From:
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:04:23 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>"Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com> wrote:
snipped
> I know a guy
>who designs T-shirts! ;-)
>
>
> Randy "I just read a coffee magazine today, and..." G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
And he does great shirts at that:). Just wore my original brown one
that was so clever, and thought of you.

Thanks Randy!

aloha,
Cea


       
Date: 14 Apr 2007 17:13:23
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
I'll take the credit, but it was really Randy that posted the t-shirt info.
--
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
http://www.homeroaster.com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************

<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote in message
news:s7e2239uhdkaufi8pn5r5vilfo7aau5gfm@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:04:23 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com> wrote:
> snipped
>> I know a guy
>>who designs T-shirts! ;-)
>>
>>
>> Randy "I just read a coffee magazine today, and..." G.
>> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>>
>>
> And he does great shirts at that:). Just wore my original brown one
> that was so clever, and thought of you.
>
> Thanks Randy!
>
> aloha,
> Cea




  
Date: 14 Apr 2007 04:39:08
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
"Mike Garner" <coffee@quar.net > wrote in message
news:MPG.2089fe4c4eeb12a1989692@news.verizon.net...
> >
> Um, could somebody please refresh my memory exactly what of value, if
> anything, c-membership provides?
>
> Mike "former charter member...what a dissapointment" G.
>

give me a few hours and I'm sure I can up with SOMETHING.




 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 15:04:53
From: daveb
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 13, 5:14 pm, "Ken Wilson" <k...@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk >
wrote:
> "daveb"
>
> > Norm, don't I know! we lived in Silver Lake.
> > Gun fire, LAPD illegally flying at 200 feet above the house at 3 AM,
> > etc. etc
>
> > depressing.
>
> I get air sea rescue helicopters at least once per week, foghorns on the
> Solent when its a peasouper, Red Arrows blowing smoke and whizzing up and
> down the harbour once a year or so, foxes barking in the spring and Penny
> has been complaining about a particular bird that makes a loud unusual
> cawing noise during the dawn chorus - and you should hear my two arguing
> away at the top of the castle. I quite like the rustle of the wisteria on
> the pergola.
>
> Life is tricky, isn't it?
>
> Ken

sure is.

here in NC, some days it is SO quiet I think I have gone deaf. and I
do NOT trust air I cannot see.

I love it.



 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 10:09:07
From: shane
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
Ugh, long layovers are not fun. I run into that often as I live in
Northern Minnesota, often a planned trip requires drive to MSP to fly.
I hope that you did not take my comment as negative in any way, I was
just suprised to hear that MSP is hard to get to from some places.
Sorry to hear that you will not be able to attend.

Shane

> ----------
> to Shane:
>
> I do not live at a major hub. My airport requires 3 flights to get to
> Minn with an almost overnight layover on one of the two changes.
> You are welcome to go and report back to us.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 09:24:01
From: daveb
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 13, 12:16 pm, "normstar" <anorma...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Apr 13, 8:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 11:27 am, "normstar" <anorma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > There is a hotel right next door to the convention hall, I belive the
> > > Hyatt or Hilton, and they have a pretty big lobby with several places
> > > set up with tables and chairs, and a few restaurants of course.
>
> > > PS - I live here in So Cal, and the LBC is not a fun place to hang
> > > out. The ocean-downtown area is very nice indeed, but just a few
> > > miles away you have some very hairy neighborhoods. I would second the
> > > idea of staying away from any bars down there on the weekend :)
>
> > > n*
>
> > Oh please Norm, on Ocean Ave? on Pine? the Marina?
>
> > all walking distance.
>
> > come on!
>
> > Ex-LA Dave
>
> I hear ya Dave. Just my .02. It's a common problem here in LA these
> days. Nice areas build all these fun "things to do" with plenty of
> parking and it just draws some of the "wrong element". We see the
> same thing every Friday and Saturday night here in beautiful Hermosa
> Beach!
>
> n*

Norm, don't I know! we lived in Silver Lake.
Gun fire, LAPD illegally flying at 200 feet above the house at 3 AM,
etc. etc

depressing.

dave



  
Date: 13 Apr 2007 22:14:46
From: Ken Wilson
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
"daveb"
> Norm, don't I know! we lived in Silver Lake.
> Gun fire, LAPD illegally flying at 200 feet above the house at 3 AM,
> etc. etc
>
> depressing.

I get air sea rescue helicopters at least once per week, foghorns on the
Solent when its a peasouper, Red Arrows blowing smoke and whizzing up and
down the harbour once a year or so, foxes barking in the spring and Penny
has been complaining about a particular bird that makes a loud unusual
cawing noise during the dawn chorus - and you should hear my two arguing
away at the top of the castle. I quite like the rustle of the wisteria on
the pergola.


Life is tricky, isn't it?

Ken






   
Date: 13 Apr 2007 23:44:14
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
>"daveb"
>> Norm, don't I know! we lived in Silver Lake.
>> Gun fire, LAPD illegally flying at 200 feet above the house at 3 AM,
>> etc. etc
>>
>> depressing.

Give me a break! Silver Lake is one of the trendiest neighborhoods in
L.A. Artists, designers and restaurateurs flock there to live and do
business. Doug Zell chose it for his first Intelligentsia location
outside Chicago (opening this summer). He'll have great neighbors: the
Cheese Shop of Silver Lake, Pazzo Gelato and lots more.

The demand for housing there is so intense you could buy a farm in the
Carolinas for what people pay for a two-bedroom house.

Marshall


 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 09:16:58
From: normstar
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 13, 8:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Apr 13, 11:27 am, "normstar" <anorma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There is a hotel right next door to the convention hall, I belive the
> > Hyatt or Hilton, and they have a pretty big lobby with several places
> > set up with tables and chairs, and a few restaurants of course.
>
> > PS - I live here in So Cal, and the LBC is not a fun place to hang
> > out. The ocean-downtown area is very nice indeed, but just a few
> > miles away you have some very hairy neighborhoods. I would second the
> > idea of staying away from any bars down there on the weekend :)
>
> > n*
>
> Oh please Norm, on Ocean Ave? on Pine? the Marina?
>
> all walking distance.
>
> come on!
>
> Ex-LA Dave


I hear ya Dave. Just my .02. It's a common problem here in LA these
days. Nice areas build all these fun "things to do" with plenty of
parking and it just draws some of the "wrong element". We see the
same thing every Friday and Saturday night here in beautiful Hermosa
Beach!

n*



  
Date: 13 Apr 2007 16:39:07
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On 13 Apr 2007 09:16:58 -0700, "normstar" <anorman74@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Apr 13, 8:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 13, 11:27 am, "normstar" <anorma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > There is a hotel right next door to the convention hall, I belive the
>> > Hyatt or Hilton, and they have a pretty big lobby with several places
>> > set up with tables and chairs, and a few restaurants of course.
>>
>> > PS - I live here in So Cal, and the LBC is not a fun place to hang
>> > out. The ocean-downtown area is very nice indeed, but just a few
>> > miles away you have some very hairy neighborhoods. I would second the
>> > idea of staying away from any bars down there on the weekend :)
>>
>> > n*
>>
>> Oh please Norm, on Ocean Ave? on Pine? the Marina?
>>
>> all walking distance.
>>
>> come on!
>>
>> Ex-LA Dave
>
>
>I hear ya Dave. Just my .02. It's a common problem here in LA these
>days. Nice areas build all these fun "things to do" with plenty of
>parking and it just draws some of the "wrong element". We see the
>same thing every Friday and Saturday night here in beautiful Hermosa
>Beach!
>
>n*

This is white suburbanite code for "I saw a black or brown person and
nearly had a heart attack." Every "city" worthy of the word has poor
people living "just a few miles away" from "nice" areas. It doesn't
make them any less "nice."

The only drawback to Long Beach Downtown bars on the weekends is how
popular and crowded they are.

Marshall


 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 08:59:14
From: daveb
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 13, 11:27 am, "normstar" <anorma...@gmail.com > wrote:
> There is a hotel right next door to the convention hall, I belive the
> Hyatt or Hilton, and they have a pretty big lobby with several places
> set up with tables and chairs, and a few restaurants of course.
>
> PS - I live here in So Cal, and the LBC is not a fun place to hang
> out. The ocean-downtown area is very nice indeed, but just a few
> miles away you have some very hairy neighborhoods. I would second the
> idea of staying away from any bars down there on the weekend :)
>
> n*



Oh please Norm, on Ocean Ave? on Pine? the Marina?

all walking distance.

come on!

Ex-LA Dave



 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 08:55:43
From: daveb
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 13, 11:11 am, Jeffrey Pawlan <devn...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > On Apr 12, 11:05 pm, Jeffrey Pawlan <devn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >>I tried to organize a small c-member/alt.coffee event for the SCAA
> >>conference in May. Unfortunately, I was informed tonight that the final
> >>decision was it was turned down for this year.
>
> >>I am a full member of the SCAA and had volunteered to host and be fully
> >>responsible for organizing a mini program in the SCAA lab on Saturday
> >>afternoon. I had spoken with Mike, the program chairman (Mary), and to
> >>the new director Dawn. Actually, all were very receptive to the idea and
> >>all were sympathetic to the c-members. Unfortunately, the budget pinch
> >>coupled with the desire to not have the SCAA office open at all on
> >>Saturday were the reasons for the decline of permission. It was
> >>suggested that a proposal for a c-member track be made for next year's
> >>conference in Minn. I won't be there owing to the very difficult airline
> >>connections but someone else might take this suggestion and submit a
> >>proposal for next year.
>
> >>Please let me know if anyone is going to plan any informal get-togethers
> >>in Lon Beach. (Please, somewhere other than a bar or brewery)
>
> >>Best Regards,
>
> >>Jeffrey Pawlan
>
> > Would it cost a lot of MONEY to have the SCAA office OPEN on Saturday?
> > no.
>
> > Plus there are plenty of public hallways and tables at the LBCC.
>
> > and IMO what is wrong with a bar ( the "Yard House"? or the "Rock
> > Bottom" brewery?) two of dozens of places within walking distance??
>
> > Drinking is not required.
>
> > ???
>
> > dave
>
> to Dave:
>
> I found it very sad that your response to the efforts that I and the
> staff of the SCAA made were responded with only ungrateful snide
> comments from you.
>
> And you may go to any drinking establishment you wish but you have no
> right to put me down because I and my wife choose to not do that. You
> have made it clear to me that I would not want to meet you anyway.
>

Really? I thought they were valid suggestions, since hundreds of 'c-
members' pay DUES every year

AND

there a plenty of spots in ANY convention center to meet up.
AND

I know of NO restaurant or bar that FORCES ANYONE to drink alcohol,
ever.

If I have stepped on your religious tenets or beliefs, I do apologize.

If I have NOT stepped on any such beliefs, then I say, GET a GRIP,
pal.

and since when did MSP become such a backwater ??

Dave
877 286 2833



 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 08:27:13
From: normstar
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
There is a hotel right next door to the convention hall, I belive the
Hyatt or Hilton, and they have a pretty big lobby with several places
set up with tables and chairs, and a few restaurants of course.

PS - I live here in So Cal, and the LBC is not a fun place to hang
out. The ocean-downtown area is very nice indeed, but just a few
miles away you have some very hairy neighborhoods. I would second the
idea of staying away from any bars down there on the weekend :)

n*



 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 06:22:32
From: shane
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 12, 10:05 pm, Jeffrey Pawlan <devn...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>
> conference in Minn. I won't be there owing to the very difficult airline
> connections but someone else might take this suggestion and submit a
> proposal for next year.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jeffrey Pawlan

I am confused by that statement. Minneapolis is a major airline hub,
how could the airline connections be "very difficult"?
I have never had a problem finding a cheap direct flight from
Minneapolis to any other major hub.

Shane




 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 06:56:51
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
Contact June Jarrett, she's our informal event organiser <G >. I just help
with the drinks.


--
Alan

alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au




 
Date: 12 Apr 2007 22:53:05
From: daveb
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
On Apr 12, 11:05 pm, Jeffrey Pawlan <devn...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> I tried to organize a small c-member/alt.coffee event for the SCAA
> conference in May. Unfortunately, I was informed tonight that the final
> decision was it was turned down for this year.
>
> I am a full member of the SCAA and had volunteered to host and be fully
> responsible for organizing a mini program in the SCAA lab on Saturday
> afternoon. I had spoken with Mike, the program chairman (Mary), and to
> the new director Dawn. Actually, all were very receptive to the idea and
> all were sympathetic to the c-members. Unfortunately, the budget pinch
> coupled with the desire to not have the SCAA office open at all on
> Saturday were the reasons for the decline of permission. It was
> suggested that a proposal for a c-member track be made for next year's
> conference in Minn. I won't be there owing to the very difficult airline
> connections but someone else might take this suggestion and submit a
> proposal for next year.
>
> Please let me know if anyone is going to plan any informal get-togethers
> in Lon Beach. (Please, somewhere other than a bar or brewery)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jeffrey Pawlan

Would it cost a lot of MONEY to have the SCAA office OPEN on Saturday?
no.

Plus there are plenty of public hallways and tables at the LBCC.

and IMO what is wrong with a bar ( the "Yard House"? or the "Rock
Bottom" brewery?) two of dozens of places within walking distance??

Drinking is not required.

???

dave



  
Date: 13 Apr 2007 08:11:29
From: Jeffrey Pawlan
Subject: Re: no c-member event this year
daveb wrote:
> On Apr 12, 11:05 pm, Jeffrey Pawlan <devn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I tried to organize a small c-member/alt.coffee event for the SCAA
>>conference in May. Unfortunately, I was informed tonight that the final
>>decision was it was turned down for this year.
>>
>>I am a full member of the SCAA and had volunteered to host and be fully
>>responsible for organizing a mini program in the SCAA lab on Saturday
>>afternoon. I had spoken with Mike, the program chairman (Mary), and to
>>the new director Dawn. Actually, all were very receptive to the idea and
>>all were sympathetic to the c-members. Unfortunately, the budget pinch
>>coupled with the desire to not have the SCAA office open at all on
>>Saturday were the reasons for the decline of permission. It was
>>suggested that a proposal for a c-member track be made for next year's
>>conference in Minn. I won't be there owing to the very difficult airline
>>connections but someone else might take this suggestion and submit a
>>proposal for next year.
>>
>>Please let me know if anyone is going to plan any informal get-togethers
>>in Lon Beach. (Please, somewhere other than a bar or brewery)
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Jeffrey Pawlan
>
>
> Would it cost a lot of MONEY to have the SCAA office OPEN on Saturday?
> no.
>
> Plus there are plenty of public hallways and tables at the LBCC.
>
> and IMO what is wrong with a bar ( the "Yard House"? or the "Rock
> Bottom" brewery?) two of dozens of places within walking distance??
>
> Drinking is not required.
>
> ???
>
> dave
>
to Dave:

I found it very sad that your response to the efforts that I and the
staff of the SCAA made were responded with only ungrateful snide
comments from you.

And you may go to any drinking establishment you wish but you have no
right to put me down because I and my wife choose to not do that. You
have made it clear to me that I would not want to meet you anyway.

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to Shane:

I do not live at a major hub. My airport requires 3 flights to get to
Minn with an almost overnight layover on one of the two changes.
You are welcome to go and report back to us.