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Date: 13 Mar 2007 20:26:33
From: -keevill-
Subject: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
I am opening a small coffee shop/ cafe and I would like to serve the best
quality coffee of which I am capable.
I have ordered a Rancillio machine / and good quality grinder and intend to
use Illy coffee beans. I've got no idea of coffee and don't drink it myself.
Not looking to set the world on fire with this business, it's just a hobby
but I would like to get it as right as I can.
Of course there is a skill in making all the different types of coffee(
espresso ) based drinks but this I can learn. I have seen somewhere some
videos on youtube.com of how to make the patterns in the milk. Any links to
that would be a great help.
I have visited a branch of Starbucks and see success. Should I be trying to
buy the same coffee beans and use essentially the same machine as them in
order to keep most people happy ??
BTW, I am NOT in UK/USA , I am in S.E Asia with limitations on supply . My
coffee house is on a beach and I want to get people to come in and return
for a real super cup of coffee.
Please help with advice .



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Date: 15 Mar 2007 10:04:22
From: daveb
Subject: Re: coffee shop in Asia advice please

> nb

really! I do not see an email address for you. or a phone. or a
domain.


who are you, bnb?

dave
877 286 2833



 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 08:00:44
From:
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
Do you have a website for you business?
What country are you in?
What percentage of your expected consumers drink espresso, caps, and
lattes?
What is the geographic mix of your customers?
What is the average income in your part of the world?
How much do you want to make in a year?
What is the rent on the beach.
Since you are on the beach, will most customers want ice drinks?
You goal is not to be the best (which is what most of us here want),
but to make money (which is a fine thing).
Can you make money, I think you can, most consumers don't want what
alt.coffee wants.
Can you post a picture of what the area looks like, location matters
more than you think?
I don't eat rice pudding, but if I sold it in my store I would want to
know if it was good or bad. When a customer says, "I don't like the
cineolic aroma and the rough taste of your espresso," what will you
do. I would try to find a perfect blend for that person; you will
have to just not please that person--who only represents 1 in 10000
customers anyway.



 
Date: 14 Mar 2007 23:42:05
From: Steve_C
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
I am a Brit who lives in Asia. There are many, many small coffee
shops that want to take on Starbucks at their own game because they
beleive that it is a way of making loads of money. They see the
customers flocking for their latte's and cappuccino's and think that
it is a doddle to replicate.

I certainly believe that if someone is serious about starting a
business and has the concept, capital and business acumen to make it
happen, there's no reason why they couldn't be successful without
having to enjoy the product they are selling. Unfortunately, my view
is that opening a coffee business that wants to sell the best quality
coffee while aspiring to be as good as Starbucks, is like opening a
gourmet restaurant and aspiring to be McDonalds.

I beleive that the preparation and presentation of high quality coffee
is an artisan craft. Anyone can buy illy, push a superauto button and
place a cup under the brew dispenser. Add a bit of hot milk, a dash
of syrup and a sprinkle of cocoa powder and the customer will come
flooding in.

That's not sustainable. For every success, there are probably 1000
failures - and probably from those who didn't invest sufficient time
and effort to fully understand what the customer really wants.

I would recommend that keevill do some detailed research about what
makes a great privately-owned coffee business successful. Don't only
explore a site such as this. Research, planning and implementation
will play a much greater part in the success than the source of your
beans and brand of your machine.



  
Date: 15 Mar 2007 16:29:08
From: North Sullivan
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
On 14 2007 23:42:05 -0700, "Steve_C" <sjcairns@mac.com > wrote:


>I would recommend that keevill do some detailed research about what
>makes a great privately-owned coffee business successful. Don't only
>explore a site such as this. Research, planning and implementation
>will play a much greater part in the success than the source of your
>beans and brand of your machine.

Yeah, what he said. And location, location, location.

North Sullivan




 
Date: 14 Mar 2007 17:00:40
From: daveb
Subject: Re: coffee shop in Asia advice please

> nb
pray tell, Where is your ID, bnb?? your name, email, phone, etc?
call me anytime -- toll free



 
Date: 14 Mar 2007 12:10:30
From: daveb
Subject: Re: coffee shop in Asia advice please

> nb

mmmm, all my aliases have REAL email addresses, a domain, and a phone
number.

it seems you do not, bobnotbob.



  
Date: 14 Mar 2007 17:26:12
From: notbob
Subject: Re: coffee shop in Asia advice please
On 2007-03-14, daveb <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

> it seems you do not, bobnotbob.

I also do not circumvent killfiles should folks choose to avoid me.

nb


 
Date: 14 Mar 2007 06:47:15
From: daveb
Subject: coffee shop in Asia advice please
On 14, 12:09 am, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>


  
Date: 15 Mar 2007 17:37:55
From: Lavarock
Subject: Re: coffee shop in Asia advice please
daveb wrote:
> On 14, 12:09 am, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>>


  
Date: 14 Mar 2007 09:11:41
From: notbob
Subject: Re: coffee shop in Asia advice please
On 2007-03-14, daveb <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

> Ross:
> Really rugged and fairly insulting reks to a newbie.

Yeah, Ross! How dare you. Everyone here knows you need to establish
yourself in an ebay coffee related business, occasionally change
identities to avoid anti-troll killfiles, and exhibit blatant unapologetic
hypocrisy before you can be rude and insulting in this newsgroup.

nb


 
Date: 14 Mar 2007 09:34:02
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
> My coffee house is on a beach and I want to get people to come in and return
> for a real super cup of coffee.
> Please help with advice .

I wasn't going to post, since I don't know much about the coffee business. I
notice that more than a few replies are 'calling you out' about not liking
coffee. That is unfair. Granted this group is for coffee purists, and you aren't
one, but that doesn't mean they have persmission to be rude, or that you can't
run a successful coffee service at your beach cafe.

I know a winemaker in Sonoma County (he regularly gets gold and silver medals)
who doesn't drink wine, just beer. I know someone who makes a great French
omelette, but doesn't eat eggs. Go figure.

So what if your passion isn't coffee. I seems to me that your passion is serving
people. There is no reason you can't learn to craft a great cup of coffee for
them.

From what you have said, I think your weak link will be getting high quality
beans. Check around and see if there isn't a roaster nearby. Perhaps they can
ship to you on a regular basis what you need. Perhaps by bus or train. I would
also check into the other world suppliers of coffee beans besides Illy.

Dan






  
Date: 15 Mar 2007 06:08:12
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please


   
Date: 15 Mar 2007 10:01:21
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
>

  
Date: 14 Mar 2007 15:53:47
From: Danny
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
Dan Bollinger wrote:
>> My coffee house is on a beach and I want to get people to come in and
>> return for a real super cup of coffee.
>> Please help with advice .
>
>
> I wasn't going to post, since I don't know much about the coffee
> business. I notice that more than a few replies are 'calling you out'
> about not liking coffee. That is unfair. Granted this group is for
> coffee purists, and you aren't one, but that doesn't mean they have
> persmission to be rude, or that you can't run a successful coffee
> service at your beach cafe.
>
> I know a winemaker in Sonoma County (he regularly gets gold and silver
> medals) who doesn't drink wine, just beer. I know someone who makes a
> great French omelette, but doesn't eat eggs. Go figure.
>
> So what if your passion isn't coffee. I seems to me that your passion is
> serving people. There is no reason you can't learn to craft a great cup
> of coffee for them.
>
> From what you have said, I think your weak link will be getting high
> quality beans. Check around and see if there isn't a roaster nearby.
> Perhaps they can ship to you on a regular basis what you need. Perhaps
> by bus or train. I would also check into the other world suppliers of
> coffee beans besides Illy.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>

I don't drink espresso but I'm told my espresso is perfectly
drinkable. Luckily, all my staff now love espresso :) I drink the
odd shot to keep myself acquanted, but it's not my preference in
coffee based drinks.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)



  
Date: 14 Mar 2007 21:15:27
From: -keevill-
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please

"Dan Bollinger" <danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote in message
news:tNydnZb30cuIZ2rYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@insightbb.com...
>> My coffee house is on a beach and I want to get people to come in and
>> return for a real super cup of coffee.
>> Please help with advice .
>
> I wasn't going to post, since I don't know much about the coffee business.
> I notice that more than a few replies are 'calling you out' about not
> liking coffee. That is unfair. Granted this group is for coffee purists,
> and you aren't one, but that doesn't mean they have persmission to be
> rude, or that you can't run a successful coffee service at your beach
> cafe.
>
> I know a winemaker in Sonoma County (he regularly gets gold and silver
> medals) who doesn't drink wine, just beer. I know someone who makes a
> great French omelette, but doesn't eat eggs. Go figure.
>
> So what if your passion isn't coffee. I seems to me that your passion is
> serving people. There is no reason you can't learn to craft a great cup of
> coffee for them.
>
> From what you have said, I think your weak link will be getting high
> quality beans. Check around and see if there isn't a roaster nearby.
> Perhaps they can ship to you on a regular basis what you need. Perhaps by
> bus or train. I would also check into the other world suppliers of coffee
> beans besides Illy.


you weren't going to post and I wasn't going to react but you have
articulated my thoughts rather well.
anyway, my task required answers to some specific questions which have in
part been answered.
Really, I don't feel that I have a choice where I am other than Boncafe,
Illy or Lavazza.
Is Illy the choice for most ?? MOST? not coffee purists is my question



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Date: 13 Mar 2007 20:42:02
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please


  
Date: 14 Mar 2007 07:38:58
From: -keevill-
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please


> Whyever would you adopt coffee a a hobby if you do not drink it, and how
> can
> you expect to turn that into a commercial enterprise?

There are other factors I have taken into account opening this coffee shop
which aren't relevant to share with this NG.
Just because I don't drink coffee doesn't mean I cannot expect to produce a
good drink for those who do.



>


   
Date: 14 Mar 2007 04:09:19
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please


    
Date: 14 Mar 2007 17:07:22
From: -keevill-
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please

"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:45f772c8.2366733@localhost...
>


     
Date: 14 Mar 2007 09:26:10
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please
> Or is there some other function you mean by 'superauto' ?

Yes, a superauto not only doses the correct amount of water, but also grinds and
tamps the coffee. Dan



      
Date: 14 Mar 2007 21:06:46
From: -keevill-
Subject: Re: opening small coffee shop in Asia advice please

"Dan Bollinger" <danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote in message
news:oPGdnVE_CPdhamrYnZ2dnUVZ_q6vnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>> Or is there some other function you mean by 'superauto' ?
>
> Yes, a superauto not only doses the correct amount of water, but also
> grinds and tamps the coffee. Dan
OK Dan, I got that and thanks !
-keevill-



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