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Date: 27 Mar 2007 09:15:43
From: Sportflyer
Subject: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?

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Date: 04 Apr 2007 11:35:18
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On Apr 4, 1:30 am, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>


 
Date: 04 Apr 2007 02:30:35
From: daveb
Subject: flasherly word salad


AFAIK, most have given up trying to follow the flasherly "word salad"

dave



 
Date: 02 Apr 2007 23:52:10
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On Apr 2, 7:46 pm, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>


  
Date: 04 Apr 2007 05:30:31
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza


  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 11:47:04
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
In <1175583130.027002.262850@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >, on 2 Apr
2007 23:52:10 -0700, Flasherly wrote:

> Who Has Hard Water?
> The US Geological Survey has identified Florida, Indiana, Wisconsin,
> Utah, new Mexico, and Arizona as states whose untreated ground water
> is very hard. Moderately hard water - again, untreated - is found in
> Montana, Idaho, Nevada, California, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Illinois,
> Michigan, and Ohio.

This is all very generalized, and very likely not to
be what one actually finds in any given locale. Our
water in Florida had some calcium sulfate; not fantastic
for taste, but it certainly didn't crust everything up
like other waters we've known.

I bought our RO unit because of Arizona water.
Installed it in NM as well, though ISTR it wasn't
quite as bad there; ~220ppm. Haven't really felt the
need here; a touch of iron, but our last test strip
showed something on the order of 50ppm.

> Moderately soft? The Survey lists North Dakota, Minnesota, Missouri,
> Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Puerto
> Rico, Alaska, Hawaii, and the District of Columbia.

In Cass Lake, MN we had an IE softener on our well
water. I suppose "moderately soft" is somewhat vague,
but I would characterize "moderately soft" as not
needing a softener.

> America's softest water is produced in the states of Washington,
> Oregon, Colorado, North Dakota, Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, North
> and South Carolina, Virginia, yland, Delaware, New York, and all of
> the New England states.

"...all of the New England States." Maybe it lacks
"hardness" in the technical sense, but in Berwick, ME,
we had water that turned the inside of the dishwasher
orange, not to mention any light colored clothing.
Matter of fact, we even had a Pyrex measuring cup that
turned orange with a hint of iridescence.
That was before the days of RO, or at least
affordable RO (the systems we looked at started at a
couple thousand in 1980 dollars), so for cooking and
drinking, we used to let the water sit overnight in
milk jugs, and decant the clear water off the 1/8" of
rust "fluff."

I'd hate to even imagine what that water would do
to an espresso boiler. "Soft" doesn't necessarily
mean "boiler-benign" or even "lacking minerals."


  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 10:25:06
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
In article <1175583130.027002.262850@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:
> On Apr 2, 7:46 pm, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

[..] (snip very useful lists and comments re Gaggias)

> Who Has Hard Water?
[..]
> America's softest water is produced in the states of Washington,
[..]

..and thank you, 'Flasherly', for such an interesting table
of regional water specs... :))

Here in GB I recently contacted my local water company and
acquired a complete list of our water specs, including the
the UK and various European hardness definitions - for, as
you might guess, virtually each country has their own..

Although installing a Bosch (German) dishwasher, the info
was very useful for everything, including Gaggia Coffee,
kettles etc..

I believe that all our water companies will provide the same
info to any individual consumer and, as I guess that some of
our companies are USofA owned anyway, I wonder if the same
local service exists in the States?

The occasional Hollywood film tends to suggest that all
such info is secreted by the companies with a paranoiac
intensity against the possibility of legal action by a
variety of consumer and environmental groups...

Of course, that's probably Hollywood just being Hollywood!

Bill ZFC

--
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Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/


   
Date: 03 Apr 2007 12:22:39
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:25:06 +0100, "Bill (Adopt)"
<adopt@billsimpson.com > wrote:

>I believe that all our water companies will provide the same
>info to any individual consumer and, as I guess that some of
>our companies are USofA owned anyway, I wonder if the same
>local service exists in the States?
>
>The occasional Hollywood film tends to suggest that all
>such info is secreted by the companies with a paranoiac
>intensity against the possibility of legal action by a
>variety of consumer and environmental groups...
>
>Of course, that's probably Hollywood just being Hollywood!
>
>Bill ZFC

Actually, Hollywood's water is provided by the Los Angeles Department
of Water and Power, which publishes its water quality tests regularly.
http://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/cms/ladwp008205.pdf

You should recognize that all water testing and reporting represents a
sample taken at a particular point in time. Large water districts and
private companies typically mix their water from a variety of sources,
which change in proportions and quality during the year, depending
mainly on rainfall. Home water testing equipment (especially for
dissolved minerals) is quite cheap, and occasional testing can be very
useful.

shall


    
Date: 03 Apr 2007 15:36:07
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
In article <s5h413lhd25bnas379felr4s62g6inqp97@4ax.com >,
shall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:25:06 +0100, "Bill (Adopt)"
> <adopt@billsimpson.com> wrote:

[..]
> >The occasional Hollywood film tends to suggest that all
> >such info is secreted by the companies with a paranoiac
> >intensity against the possibility of legal action by a
> >variety of consumer and environmental groups...

> >Of course, that's probably Hollywood just being Hollywood!

> Actually, Hollywood's water is provided by the Los Angeles Department
> of Water and Power, which publishes its water quality tests regularly.
> http://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/cms/ladwp008205.pdf

Brilliant! Thank you, shall. :))

> You should recognize that all water testing and reporting represents a
> sample taken at a particular point in time. Large water districts and
> private companies typically mix their water from a variety of sources,
> which change in proportions and quality during the year, depending
> mainly on rainfall. Home water testing equipment (especially for
> dissolved minerals) is quite cheap, and occasional testing can be very
> useful.

Yes ..and thank you again, shall, for the interesting link.

Here in the UK - or at least in my locality - I was able to get
the very recently tested water for our local parish which, in
GB, is quite a small area. I'm not sure that we change our
sources quite so frequently, but yes, that will happen - and
there is indeed quite a variation in water around the UK.

One thing we can do, if in any doubt, is ask the water company
to come and test our home water for bugs, colouration et al,
which they will do - at least for the first time - quite
willingly under health & safety regs, hygiene regs or whatever.

A number of people around here also have their own water supply
from wells and other land sources, which must be certified as
safe if being used for human consumption - so there is a
continual round of local testing being accomplished..

..except when a large van arrived the other day ked as
East Anglian Water complete with a well-dressed boffin-type
asking me if I was a water pumping station - some twenty miles
away, out in the hedgerows of the English Countryside...

He was using a recalcitrant Sat-Nav ..and no! ..he wasn't
carrying anything so mundane as an ordinary road atlas/water
network map..

..but he did have a rather neat mobile (cellphone).. ;'))


Bill ZFC

--
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Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/


 
Date: 02 Apr 2007 10:05:50
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On Apr 2, 4:33 am, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
> "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote:
>
>


  
Date: 02 Apr 2007 23:46:34
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza


   
Date: 03 Apr 2007 01:11:26
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
>No, Alan's pictures *were* of Gaggias. On the other hand, I just
>disassembled the boiler of a Gaggia that has been in continuous use for
>over
>15 years,it had minimal internal corrosion (though needed some
>re-flattening
>of the boiler seal). The effect seems to depend very much on one's water
>chemistry.

Ayup. Soft, slightly acidic water just eats them away. OTOH, alkaline hard
water (which prevails in most of Italy) seems to protect them pretty well.


--
Alan

alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au




 
Date: 01 Apr 2007 08:20:53
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On Apr 1, 5:39 am, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
> "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>


  
Date: 02 Apr 2007 08:33:23
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
"Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:



 
Date: 28 Mar 2007 07:55:51
From: daveb
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
After you've got the drink -- turn
> > the wand steam on, releasing steam (not electricity to the boiler),
> > and wait until all the steam's gone. Then release the PF.
>

That is NOT a good idea,

especially if you do NOT want to pull coffee gunk up into the boiler.

lame.

Dave





  
Date: 01 Apr 2007 09:39:40
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:



 
Date: 27 Mar 2007 21:38:19
From:
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
With my Gaggia Espresso, I remove the portafilter a few seconds after
the shot. Leaving it in during the steaming process will definitely
built up the pressure.




 
Date: 27 Mar 2007 19:04:25
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On 27, 6:33 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net > wrote:
> I will try your steam release method as well as moving the PF a bit till I
> hear a hiss to vent the pressure. Tks everyone.
>
> "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1175031366.590229.86080@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 27, 12:15 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net>
> > wrote:
> >> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
> >> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
> >> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
> >> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
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> > On 27, 12:15 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net>
> > wrote:
> >> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
> >> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
> >> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
> >> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
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> > You've the manual 3-way PRV model. After you've got the drink -- turn
> > the wand steam on, releasing steam (not electricity to the boiler),
> > and wait until all the steam's gone. Then release the PF.
>
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Nice machine, what I've seen/read of it.



 
Date: 27 Mar 2007 16:45:34
From: wes
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
I used to have a very similar Gaggia model, and I always pulled the
portafilter (after waiting a few seconds) before I hit the steam
button and steamed the milk. You are right, if you leave the
portafilter locked in while steaming you can definiteliy build some
pressure up in there!

Wes


On 27, 1:07 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net > wrote:
> Most of the time I make 2 lattes in the mornings. I would have thought that
> the time elapse after completing the steaming and pouring of the milk for
> the first shot should be long enough to depressurize the PF. However this
> seems to not the case . The Carezza probably requires at least 2 to 3 mins
> after the steaming process before one can safely remove the PF especially
> if the PF is a bit overfilled . ( can feel slight resistance when locking
> the PF in place) .
>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:V3cOh.18300$Jl.12647@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...



 
Date: 27 Mar 2007 14:36:06
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On 27, 12:15 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net >
wrote:
> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
>
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On 27, 12:15 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net >
wrote:
> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
>
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You've the manual 3-way PRV model. After you've got the drink -- turn
the wand steam on, releasing steam (not electricity to the boiler),
and wait until all the steam's gone. Then release the PF.



  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 10:05:06
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On Apr 3, 10:36 am, "Bill (Adopt)" <a...@billsimpson.com > wrote:
> In article <s5h413lhd25bnas379felr4s62g6inq...@4ax.com>,
> shall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:25:06 +0100, "Bill (Adopt)"
> > <a...@billsimpson.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> > >The occasional Hollywood film tends to suggest that all
> > >such info is secreted by the companies with a paranoiac
> > >intensity against the possibility of legal action by a
> > >variety of consumer and environmental groups...
> > >Of course, that's probably Hollywood just being Hollywood!
> > Actually, Hollywood's water is provided by the Los Angeles Department
> > of Water and Power, which publishes its water quality tests regularly.
> >http://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/cms/ladwp008205.pdf
>
> Brilliant! Thank you, shall. :))
>
> > You should recognize that all water testing and reporting represents a
> > sample taken at a particular point in time. Large water districts and
> > private companies typically mix their water from a variety of sources,
> > which change in proportions and quality during the year, depending
> > mainly on rainfall. Home water testing equipment (especially for
> > dissolved minerals) is quite cheap, and occasional testing can be very
> > useful.

Yes, I've seen that intra-country/city aspect exercised in supply.
We've SWIFTMUD (Southwestern Florida Water Management District) to
qualify much of usage for a public dissemination faculty. Also visited
an interesting central reserve management agency, attending a Florida
State seminar illustrating the unusual geography of Florida acquafier
formations. Indeed they do -- imaginately, to a perilous association
and degree some sport enthusiats challenge by cave diving -- as among
Florida water pits, so deep and cold, there's vestiges in a likes of
dinosaur bones to be found at the depths of those murky fathoms.
Recall stories from an old southern Florida estate property, not afar,
left in disarray by the passing of owners -- hardly anything so
innocuous a mere pond appearing in an overgrown, willowed backyard --
but for depths in measure of hundreds of feet to sink. Some are less
fortunate than others. No more than a mile or some away, there are
those with special insurance riders, as whole holes form, apt to
swallow their homes into a gaping maw.

>
> One thing we can do, if in any doubt, is ask the water company
> to come and test our home water for bugs, colouration et al,
> which they will do - at least for the first time - quite
> willingly under health & safety regs, hygiene regs or whatever.
>
> A number of people around here also have their own water supply
> from wells and other land sources, which must be certified as
> safe if being used for human consumption - so there is a
> continual round of local testing being accomplished..
>
> ..except when a large van arrived the other day ked as
> East Anglian Water complete with a well-dressed boffin-type
> asking me if I was a water pumping station - some twenty miles
> away, out in the hedgerows of the English Countryside...
>
> He was using a recalcitrant Sat-Nav ..and no! ..he wasn't
> carrying anything so mundane as an ordinary road atlas/water
> network map..
>
> ..but he did have a rather neat mobile (cellphone).. ;'))

Appears you've been ecologically green, defencively so, with a 10-year
tally in tow. Not quite the Homeland Security Act, tact* is
nevertheless exact, that cautionary effects supercede uncertainty
raised across variables, that achievement be an end overriding result
of holistically sound and homogenous derivations entrusted to the
future well-being of Her Magesty and subjects of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain.
(* http://www.icid.org/v_uk.pdf )

I read, not long ago across a BBC Business World Edition newsfeed, GB
was up to legistation banning questionable food sustances, chemical
and otherwise unnatural additives incurred in manufacturing
foodstuffs. People as a class are apt to be more conscientious these
days. I don't entertain doubts, if they aren't, the earth may warm up
and eventually melt. Manifest Destiny and capitalism has already had
a go. Soft English rains are a thing of the past. Let the Greendayers
have their say.



  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 10:04:50
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On Apr 3, 10:36 am, "Bill (Adopt)" <a...@billsimpson.com > wrote:
> In article <s5h413lhd25bnas379felr4s62g6inq...@4ax.com>,
> shall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:25:06 +0100, "Bill (Adopt)"
> > <a...@billsimpson.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> > >The occasional Hollywood film tends to suggest that all
> > >such info is secreted by the companies with a paranoiac
> > >intensity against the possibility of legal action by a
> > >variety of consumer and environmental groups...
> > >Of course, that's probably Hollywood just being Hollywood!
> > Actually, Hollywood's water is provided by the Los Angeles Department
> > of Water and Power, which publishes its water quality tests regularly.
> >http://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/cms/ladwp008205.pdf
>
> Brilliant! Thank you, shall. :))
>
> > You should recognize that all water testing and reporting represents a
> > sample taken at a particular point in time. Large water districts and
> > private companies typically mix their water from a variety of sources,
> > which change in proportions and quality during the year, depending
> > mainly on rainfall. Home water testing equipment (especially for
> > dissolved minerals) is quite cheap, and occasional testing can be very
> > useful.

Yes, I've seen that intra-country/city aspect exercised in supply.
We've SWIFTMUD (Southwestern Florida Water Management District) to
qualify much of usage for a public dissemination faculty. Also visited
an interesting central reserve management agency, attending a Florida
State seminar illustrating the unusual geography of Florida acquafier
formations. Indeed they do -- imaginately, to a perilous association
and degree some sport enthusiats challenge by cave diving -- as among
Florida water pits, so deep and cold, there's vestiges in a likes of
dinosaur bones to be found at the depths of those murky fathoms.
Recall stories from an old southern Florida estate property, not afar,
left in disarray by the passing of owners -- hardly anything so
innocuous a mere pond appearing in an overgrown, willowed backyard --
but for depths in measure of hundreds of feet to sink. Some are less
fortunate than others. No more than a mile or some away, there are
those with special insurance riders, as whole holes form, apt to
swallow their homes into a gaping maw.

>
> One thing we can do, if in any doubt, is ask the water company
> to come and test our home water for bugs, colouration et al,
> which they will do - at least for the first time - quite
> willingly under health & safety regs, hygiene regs or whatever.
>
> A number of people around here also have their own water supply
> from wells and other land sources, which must be certified as
> safe if being used for human consumption - so there is a
> continual round of local testing being accomplished..
>
> ..except when a large van arrived the other day ked as
> East Anglian Water complete with a well-dressed boffin-type
> asking me if I was a water pumping station - some twenty miles
> away, out in the hedgerows of the English Countryside...
>
> He was using a recalcitrant Sat-Nav ..and no! ..he wasn't
> carrying anything so mundane as an ordinary road atlas/water
> network map..
>
> ..but he did have a rather neat mobile (cellphone).. ;'))

Appears you've been ecologically green, defencively so, with a 10-year
tally in tow. Not quite the Homeland Security Act, tact* is
nevertheless exact, that cautionary effects supercede uncertainty
raised across variables, that achievement be an end overriding result
of holistically sound and homogenous derivations entrusted to the
future well-being of Her Magesty and subjects of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain.
(* http://www.icid.org/v_uk.pdf )

I read, not long ago across a BBC Business World Edition newsfeed, GB
was up to legistation banning questionable food sustances, chemical
and otherwise unnatural additives incurred in manufacturing
foodstuffs. People as a class are apt to be more conscientious these
days. I don't entertain doubts, if they aren't, the earth may warm up
and eventually melt. Manifest Destiny and capitalism has already had
a go. Soft English rains are a thing of the past. Let the Greendayers
have their say.



  
Date: 27 Mar 2007 15:33:58
From: Sportflyer
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
I will try your steam release method as well as moving the PF a bit till I
hear a hiss to vent the pressure. Tks everyone.

"Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote in message
news:1175031366.590229.86080@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 27, 12:15 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net>
> wrote:
>> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
>> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
>> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
>> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> It has removed 6 spam emails to date.
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>
>
> On 27, 12:15 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net>
> wrote:
>> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
>> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
>> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
>> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
> You've the manual 3-way PRV model. After you've got the drink -- turn
> the wand steam on, releasing steam (not electricity to the boiler),
> and wait until all the steam's gone. Then release the PF.
>

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Date: 27 Mar 2007 11:48:39
From: Karl
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
On 27, 12:15 pm, "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOS...@netzero.net >
wrote:
> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?

Not sure if it will help, but on the last machine I had without a 3-
way solenoid, I could turn the portafilter just a little bit and bleed
off the pressure. It was only on turning the portafilter all the way
that I got what Robert refers to (using a more polite term than some)
as the portafilter "sneeze."

Karl



 
Date: 27 Mar 2007 16:59:33
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
This begs the questions you should've answered before your purchase:
1) Are you planning on pulling multiple consecutive shots with frequency?
2) If it's really necessary for you to remove the PF soon after pulling the
shot, are you willing to spend money for a machine capable of doing so?

The typical consumer espresso machine isn't equipped with a 3-way solenoid
valve and it's this valve that relieves pressure in the brew group,
eliminating the 'dreaded portafilter sneeze'. For most people this valve is
unnecessary because they don't plan on using the machine more than a few
times a day. If someone planned on using the machine for entertaining, then
I'd advise upgrading to a 3-way solenoid equipped machine. It's very
embarrassing to have friends/guests hovering about as you brew an after
dinner latte, and in your rush to impress remove the PF too soon and shellac
everyone with a spray of coffee (not to mention the potential of lawsuits
after you've burned the shit out of these good folk).
--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/2tnv87

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> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
>
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 01:56:05
From: Rob Yokom
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
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It's very
> embarrassing to have friends/guests hovering about as you brew an after
> dinner latte, and in your rush to impress remove the PF too soon and
> shellac everyone with a spray of coffee (not to mention the potential of
> lawsuits after you've burned the shit out of these good folk).
> --
> Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
> http://tinyurl.com/2tnv87


Sounds like a good way to get rid of unwanted guests or in-laws.




   
Date: 28 Mar 2007 02:06:54
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
Howdy Rob!
That's why I keep the Ol' Ball & Chain's leg-humping/crotch sniffing English
Setter. You should see the suckers flying out the doorway after I cut him
loose in the house. ;)
--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/2tnv87

"Rob Yokom" <r.yokom@mchsi.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:V3cOh.18300$Jl.12647@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> It's very
>> embarrassing to have friends/guests hovering about as you brew an after
>> dinner latte, and in your rush to impress remove the PF too soon and
>> shellac everyone with a spray of coffee (not to mention the potential of
>> lawsuits after you've burned the shit out of these good folk).
>> --
>> Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
>> http://tinyurl.com/2tnv87
>
>
> Sounds like a good way to get rid of unwanted guests or in-laws.
>




  
Date: 27 Mar 2007 11:07:21
From: Sportflyer
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
Most of the time I make 2 lattes in the mornings. I would have thought that
the time elapse after completing the steaming and pouring of the milk for
the first shot should be long enough to depressurize the PF. However this
seems to not the case . The Carezza probably requires at least 2 to 3 mins
after the steaming process before one can safely remove the PF especially
if the PF is a bit overfilled . ( can feel slight resistance when locking
the PF in place) .


"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
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> This begs the questions you should've answered before your purchase:
> 1) Are you planning on pulling multiple consecutive shots with frequency?
> 2) If it's really necessary for you to remove the PF soon after pulling
> the shot, are you willing to spend money for a machine capable of doing
> so?
>
> The typical consumer espresso machine isn't equipped with a 3-way solenoid
> valve and it's this valve that relieves pressure in the brew group,
> eliminating the 'dreaded portafilter sneeze'. For most people this valve
> is unnecessary because they don't plan on using the machine more than a
> few times a day. If someone planned on using the machine for entertaining,
> then I'd advise upgrading to a 3-way solenoid equipped machine. It's very
> embarrassing to have friends/guests hovering about as you brew an after
> dinner latte, and in your rush to impress remove the PF too soon and
> shellac everyone with a spray of coffee (not to mention the potential of
> lawsuits after you've burned the shit out of these good folk).
> --
> Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
> http://tinyurl.com/2tnv87
>
> "Sportflyer" <mode1flyerNOSPAM@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:E6qdnetZyYy23pTbnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
>> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
>> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
>> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
>> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?
>>
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 15:30:41
From: daveb
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
so fill it less and grind coarser.

if you are in a big hurry, though -- you have the wrong machine.

dave




 
Date: 28 Mar 2007 00:19:29
From: Lara
Subject: Re: removing PF too soon in Gaggia Carezza
Sportflyer <mode1flyerNOSPAM@netzero.net > wrote:

> This is second time it has happened to me when I remove the PF too
> soon......Coffee grinds blown all over the place. I guess this is the
> consequence of not having a pressure release valve model. This probelm is
> worse when I slightly overfill the PF. Any solution to this ?

Leave it for 30-60 seconds before removing the portafilter. Works great.

Enjoy your Gaggia,

Lara